Why multiple avatars per account?

[OpalShadow]

I use one avi, as I don't have the time for using any more, as Doll said. I really don't think that changing that feature will discourage people from fuckin with your head. Creepers will find a way to mess with you no matter what. Having had a creeper mess with me I know how it feels. Still I don't think removing the multiple avatars option will help.

[JeanValjean]

to me if you remove multiply caracters the only winner will be the dev because people who wants more then one caraters will have more then one account any way and they gonna be more hard to get. Im bisexual and like to be traany sometime and i dont hind it theni dont khow why i should change my way of playing because some people are not honest. Be more carrefull or dont take this game to siriously.

[JeanValjean]

maybe an accout name in the profile would be good. Then honest people will continue to play fair and only bad people will need to make a 2 accouts to continue there mind trick.

[Chilles]

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I don't agree!

The mostly ppl use more as one Avatar for fun, maybe for a roleplay (Men in Black, teletubbies or other Cosplay)

When you have a problem with a member then you should use the ignore Button, the ignore Button is for the Account of this member and not only for the Avatar.

No one say that the ppl need play with more as one Alt.
And what is better when ppl have only one Avatar? Nothing! A member who like bring drama to you can this with one Avatar same as with 3 Avatars, he delete then his alt and setup a new. Or you need forbid the ppl change his name!

Also know no one who is the ppl behind the Avatar, this is the same with one or 3 Alt Slots.

I need more as one Avatar, I don't like play all time with my DJ Avatar. And when I play always with my DJ avi then don't know a other DJ when I stream live Music or not...

I like it how it is

[Jola]

Using multiple avatars for cosplay and fun it nothing I want to say it's a bad thing.

 

I started this thread to hear your opinion about the situation in general and also what alternavies are given. To be honest, the option of adding an account name, which is shown on every avatar you're using sounds like a good idea for me.

This can prevent people playing mind games on you easily. I know it won't stop this for sure, because people who want to hurt others find a way to hurt you. And the message "People only can hurt you, when you give them the chance to do this" Well I don't agree with this.

 

It would mean you can't trust anyone also not in real life, and I dare to say, that even those people who say they are living their life in this way, have also one or two people in their live they trust and who can hurt them.

This is human nature to need someone to trust.

[brun]

To be honest, the option of adding an account name, which is shown on every avatar you're using sounds like a good idea for me.

 

This can prevent people playing mind games on you easily. I know it won't stop this for sure, because people who want to hurt others find a way to hurt you. And the message "People only can hurt you, when you give them the chance to do this" Well I don't agree with this.

 

It would mean you can't trust anyone also not in real life, and I dare to say, that even those people who say they are living their life in this way, have also one or two people in their live they trust and who can hurt them.

This is human nature to need someone to trust.

While I've been open about my alts, I generally don't want it to be an automatic thing in the game. That just screams lack of privacy, especially if its listed on your profile. The MMOs where I've seen tags implemented, they've hardly been made public by default. Especially in the case of WoW and Neverwinter. You have to have them on their friends list in order to see their account name, in Neverwinter, it won't notify you of what character they are on, in WoW they use it as an extended friendlist type thing so you don't have to give your battle account name out, rather just your battle tag. If anyone wants to  play an alt and do lord knows what, we shouldn't be automatically able to see who they really are. 

 

I'd suggest you not make such assumptions about people, it shows a weak argument when you lash out at people. In an effort to not stoop to your level, I'll refrain from going off on another tangent. I hope you are well and can find peace in whatever has led you to try to limit player options and privacy. Just know that I do hold true that no one can hurt you without your permission.

 

Be adults, take responsibility for your own actions, hearts, and feelings. 

[Guest Eddster]

Keep it the way it is. Imo. Ignoring people who troll is the best option. If your friends are doing it. They are obviously not your friend. Others, well ignore them too. No drama here unless you yourself make it.

[Sage Stoner]

When you have a problem with a member then you should use the ignore Button

 

I'm sorry but this is not good advice, and I wish people would stop saying it as if it were.

 

The Ignore button does not work properly. And it cannot be said to be working properly until the both sides are invisible to each other. What's more, if for some reason only one side can be invisible, then it should be the opposite of what it is now, and the person who pushes the Ignore button should become invisible to the person who is ignored.

 

Also, something that needs to be clarified is whether or not people on your ignore list can enter your room when it is open to all. Because if someone on your ignore list can enter your room, but you can't see them, well, that would be just ridiculous!

 

So, I would like to ask the developers to clarify three things:

 

1. When will the Ignore button be improved so that both parties are invisible to each other?

2. Can people on your ignore list enter your room when it is open to all? If yes, then when will this be fixed?

3. When will the room owner be able to boot troublemakers from rooms?

 

If all these things were implemented, then I would agree that using the Ignore button is the right approach and would eliminate the need for moderators in many cases. But until the Ignore button is fixed, I really wish people would stop suggesting that it is a good solution, because it isn't. Not yet, anyway.   

[Guest Eddster]

If you have an issue with someone looking at you. Thats a you issue.

 

If they are harrassing you. Report it. I hate to be short but honestly, thats the adult way.

 

Kick feature will be here soon for the houses i'm sure.

[Tanyatranny]

I really don't have an issue with the possibility of people having more than one avatar. Put simply, it adds value for money to the monthly subscription. The fact that people abuse the option to play there sad little mind games shouldn't be held as a bad mark against 3dx in itself. It does tell us a lot about human nature though.

 

This is a sexual fantasy. People come here to live out their desires, to do things they can't always do in reality. Maybe some people want to try out what it's like to have sex with a man as a man like Brun. Maybe some people like to have a slutty second avatar for quick and dirty sex, knowing that their circle of friends would frown upon that. I think they should have that right.

 

Maybe I've been lucky with the people I met here, but overall the community is open, friendly and supportive. I met lots of funny, smart and deliciously kinky people here. That said, I know there are some real assholes in here that like to play mind games and create little groups for themselves. I had some issues with certain people at the start that even led me to delete my first avatar but I just consider that a tough lesson now. Is that the fault of 3dx? Not really. I was just too trusting when I first came here.

 

I found that it helps a lot to check for mannerisms and style of writing when chatting with someone you think is a "double agent". People tend to use the same figures of speech and exclamations unconsciously. After about ten minutes you will usually know who you are dealing with.

 

Disclaimer: I created a male avatar at the request of a partner once. It didn't really work since I haven't considered myself a man since a LONG time but I fully understand that people want to spice things up by "living several lives" in here.

[Bubbles89]

Sorry i'm new here , getting the game tomorrow, when money is in the account; but are we talking about a gender playing a different avi, or that player not telling you that they are male * when playing a female avi/ and vice versa.
Or is there some point im not aware of; seeing as i haven't played the game.

When i start i don't really wanna be making enemies straight off the bat.

[Macca]

Sorry i'm new here , getting the game tomorrow, when money is in the account; but are we talking about a gender playing a different avi, or that player not telling you that they are male * when playing a female avi/ and vice versa.

Or is there some point im not aware of; seeing as i haven't played the game.

 

When i start i don't really wanna be making enemies straight off the bat.

 

Yes Bubbles.. there are many male players who play as female avis. Some have the respect to make it clear so you know. Some don't. But it gets quite easy to pick out the men playing female after you have been playing for a while.. And its something that is accepted here. So.. be prepared to have some dirty role play with other men...

[Bubbles89]

LOL macca, that was expected; coming from 4 years at 3dsexvilla, and a limited time of their 3dchatroulete; i was looking for something a little more laid back then roulette- basically, no interaction bar sex.

i mean sex is good but a little more social compatibilities that this game offers will be refreshing. With that in mind i'm sure i'v done the deed with many ,,, guys- so to speak. right enough derailment

"que the music"  
THE SHOW MUST GO ON.

[Tanyatranny]

I think you'll like it here Bubbles. Lots of opportunities to just have fun, dance and talk. And sex too of course.

[Stewie]

I have to agree with brun you only put yourself in a position to be hurt. It's your choice how much feelings and emotions you want to put into this game (note the word game) that's exactly what it is to most. Yes emotions can and often do creep up on you. It's upto you to protect yourself in theses cases. If your looking for something more from this game and find emotions building what do you do? Continue allowing feelings to grow from typed words and a porn star avi? If so then to me that seems pretty naive.Personally the few people I've gotten close to. We shared things out with the game whether voice or video call or just another messenger service. Feelings and emotions are part of us all it's upto you as an individual how to control them. I've been around virtual gaming for a long time and tbh most of the stuff your told isn't going to be true I mean someone online tells you they love you after a couple of days are you seriously taking that to heart? All your doing is putting yourself in the position to be hurt. Yes things can grow as I stated previously. That's then upto you as an individual. If you get hurt whether virtual or real. Pick yourself up dust yourself down and move on. You know your a better person than the guy/girl who has just fucked with your mind.

 

Leave the game as it is let everyone play how they want. Protect yourself and have fun. Is that not what GAMES are for? if it goes beyond a game I wish you the best of luck but like RL. Shit happens!

[Jola]

I have to agree with brun you only put yourself in a position to be hurt. It's your choice how much feelings and emotions you want to put into this game (note the word game) that's exactly what it is to most. Yes emotions can and often do creep up on you. It's upto you to protect yourself in theses cases. If your looking for something more from this game and find emotions building what do you do? Continue allowing feelings to grow from typed words and a porn star avi? If so then to me that seems pretty naive.Personally the few people I've gotten close to. We shared things out with the game whether voice or video call or just another messenger service. Feelings and emotions are part of us all it's upto you as an individual how to control them. I've been around virtual gaming for a long time and tbh most of the stuff your told isn't going to be true I mean someone online tells you they love you after a couple of days are you seriously taking that to heart? All your doing is putting yourself in the position to be hurt. Yes things can grow as I stated previously. That's then upto you as an individual. If you get hurt whether virtual or real. Pick yourself up dust yourself down and move on. You know your a better person than the guy/girl who has just fucked with your mind.

 

Leave the game as it is let everyone play how they want. Protect yourself and have fun. Is that not what GAMES are for? if it goes beyond a game I wish you the best of luck but like RL. Shit happens!

 

I'm not expecting that people are always telling the truth in the game. It's sort of normal to lie here, because you have the opportunity to lie.

I also don't think that someone fell in love after just 2 days. It might happen that you fall in love with the character of the people you are with or the words or how they describe, but you have to expect it's a lie.

 

But in your words it sound that there are no people around who aren't telling the true, what's definitely is wrong. I've met some of those during my time in 3dx.

 

It seems you also didn't get the point of what I'm talking about. I am talking about those people who mess with you again and again by using different avatars. So you don't even have a chance to avoid this person behind all those avatars. Especially if this person has more than just one account for example.

The ignore button is supposed to make you ignore all avatars from the account, but in my own and arrogant opinion this is not the solution.

Adding an account name like it's normal in many other games is the better choice in this case. So people don't even think about using their twinks for messing with people, because they can't hide.

I know about many people who don't trust in new players, because there always is a chance that they might be an avatar of a player they tried to avoid.

This harms new players and makes it hard to make new friends, because some people in here got extremely carefully.

I'm not sure if someone ever played this kind of mindgame with you, but I hope you never will experience it.

 

I just suggest a way (which might be not the right one, but that's why we discuss here) to make this game enjoyable for as many people as possible. And this game lives from new members. But I don't need to repeat it again. It's been said often enough.

 

I also don't expect that you agree with me. But please also let me have my own opinion, like I let you have yours.

[mysterico]

I've read all this topic and it's pleasant to read all this differents opinions and views about it. I will try to give mine basing on my own short experience here. Sorry in advance for my english, i hope my opinion can be understand by all.

 

I'm agree with Jola, multi avatars is a non-sense, it encourage some people to play mind games with others, lie and sometimes hurts people.

For me it's my first social game and at the start it was a little hard to find my own way between discovering rules and codes of this type of game, meeting people, etc... But i was open-minded, perhaps a little too confident to others (shame on me). And after fews days, when you are in the middle of dramas causes by multi-avatar or you discover people playing with you, it changes radically my view and my behavior here. And that's the problem... For just few peoples, it's a shame to get there 

 

I mean, you have to protect yourself and open your eyes, i'm 100% agree with that but this game must stay enjoyable too, and it is difficult to find a compromise.

When I come here and I talk with close friends, I sometimes confide in them about me and my real life. I know this is a risk, and maybe someone will play with me again one day. 

But if you should think about this risk before saying a simple word to someone, this game will not be pleasant very quickly.

I mean, since i started, i've been lucky to meet few close friends who accept me as i am and who i trust them. Some have not this chance and quit the game causes by multi-alts 

 

We have all a common point here and it's this game ! We are all here to enjoy, doesn't matter if it's to having fun, meet new friends, relax, laugh, listen music or live out fantasies.

And as many others, i don't understand what is so pleasant for some people to hurt and destroy the pleasure of others ?? 

 

Now i understand dramas, hurts, lie or mind games can't be stop just only with removing multi-avatars (i'm not so naive to believe that) but it will give a better direction to follow by all players here in my opinion.

I don't judge people using multi-avatars, some are just for fun and laugh, i just want they don't use them to hurt people here.

 

An idea... maybe the possibilities to have multi-avatars could be accept by the 3Dxchat team after a request sended by an user explaining why she/he wants to have this option (example for DJ, i understand it's easier to switch quickly).

[Stewie]

My comment wasn't directed at you jola just my opinion on the thread. People will play mind games with you regardless if they have one toon or ten. Some just can't help it They get a kick from it it's human nature whether VL or RL. It's just easier for them to get away with it in VL. In the end it really comes down to each individual protecting themselves and how much people are willing to share about themselves whether that be personal info or emotional feelings. It's a risk we all take in everyday life we open up knowing it could backfire.

 

If devs were to remove multiple Avis they would lose paying customers same as they may do by keeping them. Personally I don't see it as an issue. We keep hearing ignore doesn't work, it does the person you ignore can't contact you nor can any future toons they make so in simple terms it does it's job

[Tanyatranny]

I'm with Stewie on this issue. The problem isn't caused by people having multiple avatars. The problem is caused by people being dicks.

Granted, the fact that those dicks can use multiple avatars to make their dickery easier to commit is unfortunate, but I don't think that the abuse of a minority is a reason to remove a function that lots of people use in a completely harmless fashion.

 

People are directing their anger at the wrong target. If users display abusive behaviour report them to the admins. Don't just block them. If they do it with other avatars report them again. Because that's the problem: abusive users, not multiple avatars.

 

And please please be careful about what you share with what are in essence complete strangers. Yes this is a game and should be fun. And yes this is a place where you should be able to freely live out your fantasies, but basic common sense should always apply.

[Guest Suikazura]

Having played different MMOs, I am used to multiple avatars, so I guess that part doesn't bother me. I do agree, and have seen, that it makes it easier for an asshole to be, well, a bigger asshole. But as a couple have commented, if they are going to mess with you, do you really think they care about having to "re-roll" their character a couple times a day, if only one avatar was available?

 

There are some advantages to having more than one avatar:

 

Since making my main avatar, I have never physically changed her. So, if I would like to experiment with a different look, I can use an alt.

 

Maybe you have a friend your other friends don't like. You could use your alt. so everyone is "happy".

 

I had trouble with my connection and was logging in and out. I used an alt so my friends didn't see me online, offline, online, offline.......... 

[Shabbaz]

if a person makes several avatars, just to harass someone, 3 characters or 1 cannot change it, it will erase his avatar and begin again ... 

 

I'm not a big player social game, but we all know that a lot of people complain, but do not want to ignore the abuser to continue to read what it says

if you do not want to click the Ignore button, you participate in to support this kind of individuals

[Guest Andraste]

why? cause we like have more then one avatar. so what? its a right we have. stop trying to take away from us. people will do what want. get over.

[RobbertM]

I’ve been following this discussion with great interest, and I would like to contribute my view on the matter. As some of you may know, I also used to play with multiple avatars in the past, and hurted some people pretty bad that way. Now it’s easy to say I never meant too, but it doesn’t change the fact that I did.

 

So why did I then? Well, that’s very simple, really. When I started playing I regarded this game as just a game, where people come to have fun and no serious stuff. And since you are presented with 3 avatar slots, it seemed obvious to also try this game from a female point of view. What I didn’t know was that I would like it too much, would get in too deep and hurt people badly.

 

Recently I have also been on the other end of the situation, a relation where somebody lied to me, and probably used multiple avatars. Giving my past, you would expect I would be very suspicious and careful by nature, but that didn’t prevent this from happening to me. And don’t get me wrong, I’m not complaining, the irony of it is not lost on me. I’m just stating a fact here.

 

If you look at the opinions given in this thread there are two main options presented:

1. Don’t change anything and tell people they should be careful and protect themselves from getting hurt, just as you would in real life
2. Change the game so multiple avatars are allowed, but you see in some way the original owner of the avatar

I would say that option1 is impossible. You can’t protect yourself against it, no matter what you do. And since you can’t, the longer you play, the more suspicious and distrustful of people you’ll get. There is a reason why there are not many people here that play longer than 6 months, and even that period is rare. So, my point would be, that also in the interest of keeping your users, option 2 is the only valid sustainable one.

[LauraM]

Haven't read all of this thread, just the last couple of responses in particular.

 

I guess when I joined 3dx I was aware of the problem of a limited number of sad, malicious thoughtless individuals using multiple or fake avatars to treat other players with disrespect and to deliberately cause upset, as a close friend of mine suffered this way last year.  Being of sound judgement - or so I thought - I reckoned I'd suss these people out and not fall foul of their heartless tricks.

 

So it was a bit of a shock to discover that one of my closest friends here had not only been playing as a girl when in real life (s)he is nothing of the sort but also persisted with some sort of charade by playing as a guy as well, thus making the deception twice as bad. In other words, my two close friends, one male one female, were in fact one person who happened to be a man.  Despite claiming to know the error of his ways, and still trying to claim to have had some sort of road to Damascus moment, he remains an active player today.  His posting about this can be found not too far up this page.

 

What really gets me is the legacy this leaves. I have been cornered into leaving the game, causing genuine sadness to my friends here, because since the deception I found that I couldn't trust any new players. If someone approached me, I immediately began to question their motives. Several unknown players tried to make convo with me and I immediately questioned to myself if they had ulterior motives. So I quit.

 

The offender, meanwhile, continues to play as if nothing has happened. A bit of honesty, a vacant apology here or there, a proclamation of intense inner turmoil that he upset other people through his actions - but 3dx goes on for him.  The victims - and I was not the only one - leave. The offender continues to enjoy the benefits of 3dx.  This hardly seems fair.

 

What is the solution?  A strictly one avatar account, as with 3dchat. It won't stop this deception completely but it will go a little way to remedying the problem. Neither will it stop those who choose to run two accounts.  But it's a start.

 

Strength in numbers is also important. Running multiple avatars for the purpose of abusing the trust of other players should be made morally unacceptable and those should be shunned by the community until they realise that their continued presence on 3dx is neither fair nor wanted. 

[Sage Stoner]

What is the solution?  A strictly one avatar account, as with 3dchat.

 

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that assessment. That person violated not just your trust but the rules of the game. Report him. Maybe he doesn't deserve a permaban, but he at least deserves to be told that if he does that again, he will be banned.

 

Reporting him is important, because it puts the developers on the spot about whether they are going to condone such behavior or not. And if they do condone such behavior, they certainly aren't going to be interested in changing the structure of the game.

 

Of course, having myself masqueraded as a women before I came out, I probably shouldn't be throwing stones at anyone else. But I never approached anyone in two different avis without making sure that they knew who I really was.    . . . Well, almost never. (Ah, but just to be clear, to everyone, I am not the person LauraM is talking about.)

 

The sad truth about 3DX is that there are a lot of interesting and entertaining people here who all too often act like children. And we have all made mistakes and hurt others, perhaps intentionally but also at times quite unintentionally. So, if there is one lesson I have taken to heart here, it's that relationships on 3DX do not follow the same logic as friendships in real life. 3DX is truly an adult game, in that it requires great maturity and compassion for other people to play well.

 

And frankly, learning to deal with relationships here has helped me mature in more ways than one. Well, actually, I'm so mature now that I'm decrepit, but that's a different story for another time.