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2 hours ago, Loruna said:

I'm not hypocrite. I used the dll as well and if I would have gotten banned, I wouldnt have complained at all because it would have been correct.

I am pretty sure you have more than enough smarts to understand that if something getting used by a huge portion of playerbase - it will not lead to any serious ban. Becasue it would mean banning hundreds and hundreds, maybe even thousands of players. And I am sure you are realised it these days before too. Gizmo would not just go and ban huge portion of playerbase, it would be insane and damaging for the game and he seems to be reasonable person. Me, probably you, and most people with some brain matter in their head was realising that days that rochi's .dll is kinda grey area, semi-legit territory, formally against the ToS, but in reality not a ban reason. 

Following ToS to the letter would not be good at all. Lets just check some ToS points:

2.01. Excessive profanity and inappropriate language is not welcome.

So all the dirty talk in sex theoretically can lead to ban.

2.02. Insults, personal attacks, abuse or harassment are not tolerated on any level.

"On any level". So even "abusive" RP with consensual partner can theoretically lead to ban.

2.04. Allusion of racial or national supremacy, as well as discriminative propaganda on any level is prohibited.

Yeah, BBC rooms not gonna live well if follow this to the latter. Or at least many of these rooms' regulars.

2.17. Discussion of social, religious, political, illegal or other controversial topics that may create offense is prohibited.

Almost all WC belongs in the ban too.

If follow ToS to the letter - it would be enough to get in the ban more than half of the server's population. 

And its okay. TOS / EULA is always that way, it gives devs/moderators ways to protect the game. Its reasonable. But not every law should be followed to the latter. There is such a concept as "common sense". No need to ban people who are not harmful to others / to the game. 

2 hours ago, Loruna said:

And if you complain then about it, of course you get the right responds.

I mean, a person got banned for not doing anything harmful (at least if they tell the truth, I can't know for sure of course, I don't know them personally) - and you trying to push them down. What do you get from giving such a response? Scratching your ego? 

Wow so much hypocrisy. 

Couple years ago, before the release of 64-bit client probably half of 3dxchat's population, or at least a very big part of it was using rochi's .dll because it was making game so much better. If you played back then, even if you did not use it personally - you all had friends who used it. And yes, it was against ToS too. Not like ToS changed since then. And its okay that people used it, because it did not really make any harm, it was only making the game experience better.

Yet now you are shaming / attacking OP because they also just using some harmless modification that just improves graphics.

I am strictly against any harmful invasions into game's client and hacks, but why are you being such a hypocrites and getting so bitter about someone just tweaking game's graphics? 

4 hours ago, Derai said:

If the slider idea is to complicated for them to add to the existing code.
Maybe have the bellies as a kind of 'accessory' that 'deforms' the skin mesh to appear to have said bellies in increasing sizes?
Same result, but added onto the existing models, and not changing the base model.

Well, I said about the slider because I have seen such a slider working somewhere... in a place that better don't name here to not give these dishonest people advertisement. I think you know what I am talking about. 

 I mean if they could make it work, I hope our devs can do it as well. 

This probably could be very hot for people with a related kinks, but sounds like way too much work for it.

Maybe a simpler solution would be more appropriate - like just adding a pregnant belly slider to female avi character editor.

And people with corresponding kink could roleplay the other parts of this kink.

For example, safe/unsafe sex - you can use a /roll command for it with your partner, deciding which numbers will mean impregnation.  

IF we ever going to have a volunteer WC mods there should be tight limitations to their power to avoid abusing it.

1. They should be able to impose sanctions only on people that wrote in WC, not on any avi they see.

2. Those sanctions should be limited to world chat ban.

3. They should have direct connection with devs to be able to send devs screenshots of most toxic behavior so people who are keep insulting others even after their pervious WC ban or just extra toxic (calling for violence, telling people to kill themselves irl, etc) can get a real ban, not just a chat one. But the decision about this ban should be a decision of SGD, not a moderator. 

And yes, I understand that with such little authority - there will not be much people who will want to apply on moderator position. But that's the idea. Power-hungry, ego-driven people should NOT apply to such a position. And if its the only kind of people who will want this position - better to not have moderators at all than have this kind.

9 minutes ago, Diana Prince said:

You can't rate people like movies, books or vacuum cleaners...

Sadly, in some services you actually can.

In China they even have goverment-driven social rating.

I just wish 3dxchat is not going share this vicious and straight up dehuminizing practice. 

2 hours ago, Averee said:

and there would certainly be drama - but among some players the game is already packed with day-to-day drama. 

So... if the game already has quite a lot of drama... then it will not hurt to add even more of it?

Tbh I don't see how the advantages of this feature can outweigh the additional toxicity and drama it will definitely bring. 

I personally strongly against it.  

Every avatar on account can have their own spouse. Any gender combinations. But one avatar can have only one spouse, no multi-spouses. 

3 hours ago, Derai said:

I only wish they’d mark the poses with it better. Some Anal poses are mixed in with Vaginal ones and that gets awkward. 

Yeah. They definitely should work on the pose menu, making a clear distinction between anal/vaginal poses and poses that require female partner to have a cock/strap-on. 

9 hours ago, Derai said:

I think part of the issue is that World Chat and the dumpster fire it has been for years, is a glaring symptom of a bigger issue.
And that is the Developers not caring, or at least not seeming to care what happens to their game.

Rules are great, but also meaningless if not enforced.
And the same thing with giving the players the options to regulate what they can see. (I.E. World Chat toggle)

 

Nothing is done except some token statements every few years.
But nothing concrete.

They announced there would be a Word Filter on the Room Lists a year ago or so.
Nothing done about it.

The list goes on and on, and World Chat is just the most visible aspect of that Lack of Interest by the Devs in their own game.

Well, I am not sure if devs care about game or not, I think its important for them at very least as an income source and anyway neither me or you cant get into their heads.

But yeah, I agree that 3dxchat needs more love, more time and work invested in it, so it could bloom and be a better place (even if I love it as it is, I see how much unused protentional here, well, I think almost everyone sees it). And yes... updates are so slow, and I am not only talking about clothes and sex, but also quality of life futures - like the word filter you were talking about...  But I honestly don't think we can do much about it. I mean we can complain here, but will it have any effect? The only somewhat effective way is stopping to pay/play - but... It can just kill the game instead of giving motivation to devs, so its not my way. 

I do understand that people are getting offended by reading World Chat.

But I don't understand why people trying to make their problem (inability to just close it and don't look at it for whatever reason, maybe they are very emotional and easily getting hooked seeing some shit in chat) into a community problem (bringing mods who will either 1. Be able to abuse power. 2. Or... will cost money to devs).

There are two easy solutions:

1. Option to hide world chat. To hide it completely in settings so it does not even appear on game load.

2. Complete removal of WC, its a fucking trash anyway. 

3 hours ago, Tracer said:

Lastly: I don't want to ban anyones free speech: But such speech is a privilege, not a right, on a private forum. "Free Speech" warriors can go shout in a park if they wish. As a paying customer,. like many others, I am here for troll-free and hate-free speech.

Well its not your own private forum neither the game is, so your desires and wishes has the same importance as the other paying customers, not less, but not more. If someone wants free speech in WC - they are entitled to have this opinion and voice it, as much as you are. 

2 hours ago, Derai said:

Sorry to say, from personal experience in Star Trek Online where such a system existed in the form of a Auto-Mute after a certain player was Reported X amount of time.
This WILL be abused.
There are plenty of big Entertainer Groups, often with members running multiple accounts that would LOVE this system to systematically mute and harass members of other groups.

Sad...

Well, then I really don't know how to solve this problem without getting a new problem. 

On 4/15/2022 at 7:18 PM, Tracer said:

Well I think a mod team would themselves need to be picked carefully of course.

It's not always possible to sort out wrong people on the pick. You'll need to constantly monitoring their actions to push the ones who want to abuse the given power away. And there a lot of power hungry, ego-driven people who are wish to be moderators. Not many people want to clean other's shit for free, just to create a better environment. 

On 4/15/2022 at 7:18 PM, Tracer said:

No system is perfect but right now we have nothing.

Sometimes "nothing" is better than something. Honestly, if I'll have to chose between power abusing and hate-speech - I chose hate-speech. I can always block a toxic bully. But if I'll be on a wrong foot with some moderator - I don't want to be a victim of his ego and risk ending up in ban because he/she or his/her friends do not like me.

On 4/15/2022 at 7:18 PM, Tracer said:

If not mods - then maybe like an upvote / downvote system?.. if like 20 people downvote a comment a person gets muted for 20 minutes or something..

I would like it. 

World Chat is disgusting in its current stage but I don't think its a reason to have moderators.

Why? Because its either hired moderators - which means spending money and I am not sure a small company like SGD can afford these expenses... and even if they can - better spend those money for additional assets for the game... 
Or... if its not hired mods - its mods from the players. Which means some players will have a power to mute/ban others which almost 100% will lead to power abuse at some point. Better cancerous world chat than power abuse because its very easy to avoid WC and not so easy to avoid power abuse if you are end up in conflict with some mod.

Why changing it? Better just add a new one. More variety = better.

1 hour ago, Areej said:

I agree... But it has to be done eventually? Maybe you have a different opinion?

The question was not addressed to me, but I do have a different opinion. 

While your suggestion definitely sounds good, I don't think it has to be done. Because it would mean a lot of work for devs - to add alternative options for many clothes in the game. Even now we rarely getting new clothes. And if they will work on this feature - we probably will not see new clothes in a year or even two. And even after this we will have less new clothes because devs will have to make several models of some/many of them (at least two) - normal and pushed down / aside / ripped / etc. 

So if I would have to chose - to have more clothes or to have option to get panties/bra set aside and pants/jeans pulled down/ripped - I would chose more clothes. 

Simply allowing clothed sex is not perfect, but a real and simple solution. 

I believe its "sex positions" thread not a "posting sexy renders thread"?

19 minutes ago, Derai said:

Only way to police World Chat would be to have actual Moderators able to warn and ban in real time.

True!

Though... Does a calm world chat really worth it?

Having volunteer moderators from players may end up causing more drama and problems that WC could ever did. Giving some special people power over others can end up being a huge mess, especially if these people are hungry for power. And hungry for power people are exactly the type who probably will apply for moderator position first.

Other thing is paid moderators, who don't involved in game itself and who going to lose their income if they fail too much. But... We are talking about small company with not that much financial resources and even if they have money to hire a mod - better push that money into development of the game. Buying more assets in unity store, hiring some part time artist, etc. 

I mean if people getting their mood ruined by reading WC and talking with trolls in it - there is a very easy solution - just don't open WC, don't waste your energy, time and nerves on this garbage. 

6 hours ago, LadiesToyDE said:

Well, from an individual point of view you might be right. But being thrown out of my country by a war like this and a threat of a ww3 with nuclear weapons is much more worrisome I would say.....

Yeah. That's terrible, so much people suffer because of mad dictator's ambitions. 

5 hours ago, Mona69 said:

that could be one of the possibility cause I'd say there is no way they could just ignore us and even the BMTmicro said kinda the same cause they tried to reach them from their end  and they have got no response.  

That's worrisome... 

23 minutes ago, Leopardus said:

I find the best way to give the rules meaning when I play 3dxchat is to never visit World Chat - so much World Chat messaging is against the rules and what is within the rules is mostly not worth the wasted eye muscle energy to read.

Its called "WC" for a reason...

https://3dxchat.com/game-rules.html

2.02. Insults, personal attacks, abuse or harassment are not tolerated on any level.
2.03. Derogatory comments based on race, nationality, religion, culture, underage sex, or underage sexual preference are prohibited.
2.04. Allusion of racial or national supremacy, as well as discriminative propaganda on any level is prohibited.

2.17. Discussion of social, religious, political, illegal or other controversial topics that may create offense is prohibited. This includes but is not limited to negative portrayal of religious and political figures is prohibited.

There is already enough rules to stop any harmful discussion in world chat. No need to introduce new ones. Its only a question of following / not following these rules, and if people getting or not getting punished for breaking them. Its not about lack of rule itself. 

Glowing tits is fun.. I guess... but I would prefer first to have more basic stuff, like being able to chose my nipples' color or have nipple piercings...

41 minutes ago, TashaTight said:

They had some adult videos before mostly of real porn clips, wasn't option to change what was running just different scenes and clips. But was good while back and some laws surrounding copyrights and internet changed much since then. So probably could be some legal issues preventing it from being added again, no expect so wont pretend to know just think option be nice especially if we could use link like with radio.

They could use 3dx made clips for it now. It would not lead to any copyright issues and still would work for atmosphere. Maybe even make a contest and chose a selection of best 3dxchat's clips to be used on these TVs.