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On 10/13/2020 at 8:18 AM, Lisa said:

We have not experienced any visitor-related server crashes since the release of the new server. We have yet to find out what the new server is capable of. As far as I know, it is optimized for a large number of visitors 

This is great and thank you for that information.

Can you possibly let us know why the pose editor has been withdrawn from being added to the game. There are a lot of players that could maybe help sort out the problem.

15 hours ago, AHT said:

From what I can see a lot of the marketing by 3dx seems to be done by these "review" websites where I guess they get a share of the money for signups - they all seem to give it pretty positive reviews (well they have to right, kerrrrching!). One imagines BMT Micro provides 3dx with figures on how long people stay paying, and I guess it gives them the ability to entice them back etc with discounts or whatever (if they want to). I guess having viewed various adult 3d games you might search for images or "3dxchat review" at which point a lot of websites appear. I've often heard people suggest a free trial is a good idea, but I suspect this might be a bad idea as I seem to recall the early days are quite lonely whereas if you paid for a month you might as well use it?

I'm not sure I agree with your point that the forum is a good marketing tool. I guess it can be as you can see events (3dx is alive!), but I think you have to sign up to see large parts of the forum? I don't sign up to a toaster forum when I decide what toaster I want to buy. I bought my car (Fiesta) based on reviews on car websites and I liked the test drive (I did test drive a Polo but stalled it like 20 times). Forums are for when you toaster works some of the time, but not all the time or when a mechanic says this is wrong and you want advice or support on your car. 

Also you may wish to check your textbook and search for the rule of diminishing returns. So for example the server may accomodate 10,000 users, but to get user 10,001 onboard you need a new server. Or for example rooms may become too crowded as to become unsueable (eg people can't hear the music as the stream used can only be heard by 50 people) or 300 people in Sin means you can't even get in. The point I'm making is there is a level at which too many people is a bad idea.

Also not sure I agree with your overall argument they failed in marketing as didn't you suggest Gizmo was living in a villa a few years ago:)

As I said in my post the forum gets a lot of traffic of which a good number of them are likely to be people looking for information on the game. Looking at the amount of guest are in the forums that figure is likely to be hundreds every day. The forum as it is is like you say, not really meant to promote the game. There are a couple of links to pages that are there for people who are looking to review the game but they are not very well done. Also they are not really that obvious for people who are looking to review. Yes lots of people look at reviews where 3DXChat have maybe paid for good reviews but there are also others that have bad reviews. No matter what happens on that side of things does not matter to what I am saying, which is because the forum comes up high in the search engines if you search "3DXChat", then it is almost certain a lot of people looking to find information on the game will click that link. It is very unlikely that players from the game would generate 100 guest at just about any time. Also how many players are going to do a search for "3DXChat" and click on the link for the forum. 

If you look at what Lisa said she actually stated the new server is optimised for a large number of visitors. Servers for a Unity game to cater for tens of thousands of visitors does not have to be a massive server. The way Unity works is to put a lot of the load on players/client computers when they open their rooms. When they do that their room becomes a new scene in Unity where the players/client computer does a lot of the server work. So if there is 300 people in a room then it would be more based on how good the room owners computer and Internet connection is. That has always been that way and is why some people can host with a lot of people and others can't. As the numbers have grown in the game the number of rooms open in the rooms list has grown. If the player population grew to say double what it is now that list would grow accordingly. Getting 100 people in your room has always been a high number to get, that was the same when there was only around 3,000 people in the game. Now it has around 7,000 if that is correct, 100 still remains the same high number for rooms. 

If they had some better links, like even just saying "About 3DXChat" which then leads to a well done promotion page, then potential customers could be more drawn into signing. At the moment they have "Download and play 3DXChat" which a lot of people would think that is just to download the game after you have decided to play. Another is "Read First" which links to a page that does have some information on the game but does not really sell it. Plus again how many potential players would click on that. It needs something like "SEE WHY 3DXChat IS THE NUMBER 1 SEX GAME IN THE WORLD" then the potential new players would be more likely to click on it. From there the page it links to should be very well done in the aim of selling the game to potential customers.

If I was one of the devs I would think about maybe a competition for people to create videos to sell the game. Then create that page with really clear and well presented information of what the game is today, not what it was several years ago.

I did this thread because I believe they have for at least four years been likely missing a lot of custom because they have not recognised the potential of the traffic that the forum gets and how many are likely potential new customers.

Plus also a lot of those review web sites that you were talking about are really old reviews, they talk about how the game and what was available from years ago. So anyone looking at them and then looking for something from the game itself are going to see what the game offered years ago.

Plus I have never said anything about Gizmo living in a Villa, but have said I think he would be doing well out of the game and have even said he may be just happy with the amount he is making and could be the reason he doesn't work on it much. But I still think he would be interested in anything that could raise his returns without having to do a lot of work to do so.

A few years ago I did a post in here about something I had found while going through my old study books. It was all about how conscription based businesses reach a maximum depending on the 3 aspects I mentioned in a post earlier in this thread. How many join each month, how many stay past the initial period and the average time people stay. What happens is that in any subscription based business it will over a certain time reach its maximum numbers as it gets to a stage where there as many leaving as there is new custom. If the 3 sets of numbers stay the same it will from then on only hover around that figure. I saw 3DXChat had seemed to reach that stage at around 7,000 players about 3 years ago. When I started it was growing by about 1,000 per year, I saw the celebrations of it reaching 2,000 and grow from there. I saw it grow rapidly in numbers when some really good updates were added but soon after drop back again. I also noticed that the yearly big update which would attract a lot of players back lost a lot of its ability to do so. Gizmo has often tried different things to try build the numbers, so I doubt very much he would be looking to keep it where it is because of server size, plus it is not that hard or expensive to set up bigger servers.

What I have seen over the years is Gizmo go very up and down on what I would call enthusiasm towards working on the game, especially as its growth in numbers began to stall.

In answer to your question LucyT I know that RLC had in the tens of thousands and yes I would say that 3DXChat could get there as well. 1,000 new players a year is only 20 per week which is very low, if they doubled that then over a few years the 7,000 would double to 14,000. If they improved the amount that keep playing on after the initial 1st month it would again make a huge difference. Then if they did as Alivia said and started adding better features to the game more regularly people would tend to stay longer improving the numbers again. My opinion is the game could easily get well into the tens of thousands.

If someone types 3DXChat they have already found out about the game and very likely know a little of what to expect. Xizi is right in what she says, the main website is really old, I don't think it has changed much from when I started in 2014. There is so much more can be done to show people a better view of the game and influence them to give it a try. 

It has very much always been that the forum comes up before the main website in a search, I think that is because the forum generates its own traffic which counts towards where it is placed in the search. A lot of people looking for the forum must just type 3DXChat. 

Yes the devs could pay to get the main site up higher, from memory that works on a bidding system and how much it would end up costing I don't know, but it is not really the point. They already, and for some time now had the forum coming up high in the search so they could just utilise that. Even just a better link on the front page of the forum to show potential customers where to go would make a difference.

The forum is rather easy to update and add to where as updating the main website would involve more work. They could easily add to and continue to update the front page of the forum and improve how they cater for potential new custom that go there.

Over the years I have seen the devs try different things to try generate new custom, they even had competitions for players to make banner adds and have tried placing those adds in various places. They have shown they want to increase the amount of people joining the game but have always failed to do the basics. Search engine optimisation and such. 

The easiest thing for them to do right now is to take advantage of the traffic already going to the forum, of which I would say there are quite a few just trying to get information on the game and what to expect. A catchy way of guiding those people to some well thought out representation of the game could generate quite a bit of new custom and can be very easy to do.

I started playing in 3DXChat in 2014 and have been involved in these forums for much of the time since then. I haven't played for over 2 years but still do often look in these forums to see if anything interesting has been added to the game.

Not long before I joined I was a university student at which I did a side course for certificate 4 marketing and communication, really just an entry level course for marketing but did get some good insights into the basics of marketing.

Over the years I have watched what 3DXChat has done with it's marketing and have noticed they don't even seem to know the basics. They have failed and continue to fail badly in several aspects of which some should be very obvious. For example this forum is and always has been its most valuable marketing tool. The forum generates more potential customers than any other medium they have yet they have never applied anything in the forum to influence potential new customers to join.

If you type 3DXChat in google the very 1st link that shows in the list, here in Australia anyway, is the forum. So a good number of interested people who are looking for information on 3DXChat would find their way to the forum. This is apparent through the numbers that visit this this forum. There are always close to 100 guest showing as actively looking through the forum and a good percentage of them would be people looking for information on 3DXChat. To get an estimate of how many of these could be potential customers you can work on estimated averages. If each visitor stays for an average of 1 hour then 100 times 24 hours is 2,400 visitors per day. If the average of these guest visitors are people looking for information on 3DXChat is say 50% then the forum generates 1,200 people per day looking for information on the game. Now those figures can be lower or higher depending on what the percentages actually are but I think it is fairly safe to say there are plenty of potential customers finding their way to these forums.

What does the forum do to turn all these potential customers into customers, very little. There should at least be a very stand out link to the main 3DXChat website, there would only be a small amount would click on "Download and play 3DXChat" when they are just reviewing. Also the main website, 3DXChat.com, does not even appear in the 1st 2 pages of the google search when 3DXChat is typed in for a search. And even then the main website is very outdated and never really has been a good influence to have people join the game. My opinion is the front page of the forum should include very well done marketing strategies to influence as many of these potential customers to join as possible. If done right it could possibly produce as many as 100 new customers every day.

In an online game such as 3DXChat there are 3 main points in a marketing strategy that need to be constantly reviewed.

1) Attracting new potential custom and influencing them to join.

2) Watching how many new customers stay after the initial 1st period.

3) The average time each customer stays a customer.

3DXChat has always failed badly in all 3 and over years and has really only tried to find new ways to attract new custom. There has never been enough done to try improve on the amount of people that try the game and do not go past the 1st month. There most definitely needs to be more done to help new players settle into the game. 

Sorry ran out of time, I will add to this later.

Derai I know where you are coming from as I have been there myself. I grew up not so much hating myself but hating the life that had been given to me. I had a lot of bad things happen to me when I was young that had me believing that is my life and how things are for me. I would see others that were always happy and never having to face the things I had to and would get really jealous and angry. When I was in primary school I was super skinny and had no bum, I was always teased and tended to react to it badly which just made things worse. Later in high school when I had filled out and the boys started to notice me, 2 of them lied about me saying I had done things with them I had not which gave me a reputation I did not deserve, plus the queen of the bitch brigade who had already decided she didn't like me made sure she made it stick. I won't get into what happened when I was 16 although I have talked about it in these forums before and some people do know. What it all did to me though is have me thinking that is how my life is, like it was so much different to everyone else and I just had to bare it. For a long time even when things were going right for me I would always be waiting and expecting something to come along or happen that would stuff it up as that was what always seemed to happen. It is only recently I have realised that I no longer think that way. I was lucky, I had people around me that could often figure me out and seem to know just what to say to pick me up and help me get back on the right track. So I thought I would like to share some of things that were said to me that stuck and did a lot to help me through it.

Life for everyone is full of things that go wrong and things we don't like, we are always having to do things we don't want to and face things we would rather not have to. It seems we all have to do that much more than we get to see things go right and do things we really enjoy that present moments of true happiness. But when those moments do happen that is what makes it all worth while. Unfortunately we live in a world where times of real enjoyment are much outweighed by times we do not really enjoy, like having to work and do things we just do not like having to do. To many things happen that have us feeling down and make us unhappy at that time. But without those times could we really have times of true happiness that leave us feeling really good. If everything always went right and there was nothing that happened that would have us feeling down could we still find those times where we experience true happiness that makes it all worth while. Wouldn't it all become boring and have us still looking for something more. We have to accept there will always be things go wrong and always be things happen we do not like, that it is part of life and actually needed to allow us to find those times of true happiness that makes it all worth while. 

I learnt to push myself through the bad times and not put so much to them. I focussed on doing and planning things, working towards things that could have those moments of true happiness happen for me. More times than not they wouldn't work out but the more I tried the more they did happen. It wasn't easy as even when I did get good things working I could not get past expecting something to come along that would stuff it all up. But I kept thinking about what I had been told, that without the bad times we can't really get the good, that without things that go wrong we can't really have things that go right. I found the more I pushed aside the bad things and focussed on finding, or more so pushing and planning for the good the more good things happened. 

@jadekali I am going to try to give you some advice and hope you take it that way and not that I am just trying to have a go at you.

I have been following this thread and your safe haven thread with the different things that have been brought up in it and can see a pattern that I often saw in 3DXChat. I am going to point out some things I can see that I know you are not going to like but can only hope I can make you think about how you have made yourself look in these forums.

For example, your reply here...

11 hours ago, jadekali said:

That's not how I remember it .....but nevertheless please accept my apologies for it......I would very much like to be friends again....I miss you Lorelia......

I will be opening the Krazy Kat Speakeasy in about 15 minutes.....which is basically a tribute to The Jazzy Lounge......I would be honored if you would make an appearance......thank you.

This is not even close to an apology and to me looks more like something where you would use it later to say you did apologise. If you were to really acknowledge what Lorelia had said in her post you should actually feel and express shame. Your apology would show that and not say it is not how you remember it. 

You have named around a dozen different people in this thread and others saying how they had left or done things to you of which many of them have come in and posted showing a completely different version of what had happened. All of them show similar stories that show you have tried to dictate terms to them, have tried to tell them who they can be friends with and push them to obey your wants. I saw this happen often in the game where people thought themselves so important and right and thought they had the right to tell others what they should do and not do. Then when these people did not they would turn on them also. 

One of the hardest things to deal with in the game is when friends get into arguments and you have to deal with 2 or more people you are friends with not getting along to even hating each other. It gets much worse when one or both of them try to get you involved. The people I respected most were the ones that would not expect me to dump friends because they didn't get along with them, that would acknowledge that it had nothing to do with me and it was my choice. 

You need to accept you have made mistakes and all these people are reacting the way they are for a reason.

The problem with this is like in the game we will now all be suspect of new comers. He will come back in with alts, some he will make obvious and some he wont, but will do what he has always done in these forums, looking to try feed his ego that will have been hurt. 

7 minutes ago, Coldheart said:

This reminds me of when someone here literally posted pics of crap all over forums in spam fashion. Still not sure what that was intended to accomplish.

I remember that, I was about 50/50 on it being one of RobTs alts. Reason being I had a go at him about posting his crap in any and every thread in the forum, then that started happening.

26 minutes ago, Coldheart said:

It’s American sarcasm, intended to be comedic. If I am not mistaken it is derived from British humour, which to me is even harder to understand.

Well I am happy to aid in correcting your mistake as I think most people will have read what you said and seen it as I did, praise.

26 minutes ago, Coldheart said:

Also, I could not make it all the way through your reply. You write too much for me to read all of it.

Well I have never been into posting giffs, but maybe I should for the people that just like to look at pictures in books.

4 hours ago, Coldheart said:

 

I'm almost positive this message means Rob asked to be deleted from forums. He's always one step ahead of the game. One of these days he won't be so smart and fast and will actually get banned. But until then, I have to tip my hat to him. Tricky devil.

No matter how hard I try I can't make any sense what so ever out of what you say here. What in those messages say anything other than Lisa agreeing with what was said and then banned RobT. Or maybe you believe the crap he span last time he got banned, that he wanted to be banned. Come on I thought you were smarter than that. He started saying that when he had realised he had gone to far and was almost certainly going to face a ban. You think he is one step ahead of the game, bullshit, he is just a fool who thinks he is smarter than everyone else. Anyone can get in these forums, fling insults and go deliberately out to upset people, make several alts and cause the disturbance he does. It does not take any sort of intelligence to do so and rather just shows him to be lacking in a lot of things. He was banned because of his bad conduct, both times. Plus in the last forum anyway, if you requested for your account to be deleted what would show on your old posts would be your name followed by guest. If you were banned your name was just greyed out, no guest showing afterwards. RobT was at first greyed out, then shortly after all his posts were removed. Both times he has been banned for the crap he does in these forums, nothing to do with Robs so called wants. Don't make him out to be something he is not, he has always been predictable and nothing more than the pain in the ass his wanted to be, similar to a child trying to get attention the only way he was able.

5 hours ago, Derai said:

He’ll be back. No question about that. 
His ‘Never been banned’ boast is broken now though. 
I call that a win. 
 

Big hugs to all that reported him. 

Likely he will try saying he wanted to be banned, like he claimed last time. Looks like all his posts have been removed again to. like last time. I reported him last Sunday showing 5 times where he had quoted my name with insults so I would see the message, trying his best to get me to respond, he seemed determine to have a rematch or something. I told them I had not responded but would if they chose to do nothing. He disappeared for a week so I would say he got a suspension. I knew it wouldn't be long before he got a permanent ban, well done Derai.

2 hours ago, Coldheart said:

 

I wonder if JessicaX will reply to you saying you exposed yourself as not being a decent person who likes to perpetuate conflict here. I am going to gamble and go out on a limb here and say NO. LOL.

Some people in this forum do really amaze me, this post above being said about me who has only posted once in this thread by a person who has posted many times with posts mainly doing exactly what he is accusing me of. It seems your view of a decent person is to post childish insults in as many threads as possible. I would be concerned if you actually complemented me.

9 minutes ago, jadekali said:

Everything in that "parable" was true......but you wouldn't know anything about such matters because
like the rest of these trolls you are just a flunky of Chloe's.....you are a never was.....and a never will be....
You will never know what it is like to the reach the popularity level needed to have an 8 month room of triple figure crowds
or have your best DJ's raided by jealous discords....or have your discord raided for its members....
because you are nobody....and always will be .....and all you can ever do is try to tear down others and lower them in the gutter 
to be next you....but guess what?
I have survived all the raids......all the trolls .....and Safe Haven is stronger then ever!

.....and there's nothing YOU and all the rest of
your loser friends can do about it.....so keep on crying and do your imaginary "EXPOSES"......lol
Have a nice life  
 

Wow, reading through this thread I was already able to see what sort of person you are, but this last post is just so over the top and incorrect I find it hard to believe that someone could be that stupid. Both Jessica and Chloe know exactly what it is like to achieve popularity in 3DXChat and all the downfalls that come with it. One of which as you are showing is that people will always try to destroy your popularity with lies. I don't know much about you, in fact I only know you from this thread but I would be willing to bet that you have not even achieved half of what they have. One big difference is they don't go around bragging about their achievements. Jessica I know has likely helped more people in 3DXChat to get started with their DJing than anyone else in the game and for a long time was one of the most in demand DJs in there. Chloe is much the same. I think you really need to look why all those people left you and stop trying to put the blame on others. After all if the environment you are at is a good one why leave. You may think you are showing yourself as someone important and worth knowing in this thread but you are in fact doing the opposite.

19 hours ago, Xizl said:

It is, indeed. In a professional environment. But do you have a feeling of professional environment here? Or maybe you believe that it wasn't one for years, but if ask another time – things will change? Did not change all that time before, when dozens of people were complaining during dc's/lack of updates, but now will suddenly change? Suuure.

Well I don't know about you and others, but if I pay for a service I expect professionalism. Yes after people have been in the game for a while they will realise that 3DXChat is not a professional environment but does that give them the excuse to continue with that practice. Does that mean that people should not complain. Sorry but this sort of quote makes me feel like we are being forced to accept we live in a world where we should not expect professionalism even when we pay for it.

19 hours ago, Xizl said:

I mean, who knows. Not so long ago they announced a patch/maintenance time. Maybe they really decided to act more professional. Let's see if that is a real change or it just for few weeks/months again and then things will return back to how they were. Though... I believe, if devs really will start taking their project with more professionalism and responsibility – it will happen because of desire to keep/increase their income and understanding that lack of decent competition will not be always a thing. Not because someone asked them. 

Well I believe that if there weren't so many people coming in these forums making excuses for the devs, which I would say is not as bad now as it use to be. But if that had not been so prominent in these forums then the devs will have taken a lot more notice of peoples complaints.

20 hours ago, Xizl said:

Lol. What is to "consider" there? Of course it would be great. So what? Just because it would be great does not mean it's going to happen.

People free to ask whatever they want. And I am free to express my pessimism realism as well.  

Yeah sure. It's because of people "protecting" devs (see how full of protection my posts are!) they don't bring more updates/act more professional. 

I really think you overrating the weight of our opinion here. 

Yes of course what I said is obvious, just the same as saying that if the devs were to give a completion time and not make it people would get angry. My point is why keep coming in these forums stating one thing that is so obvious but not the other. One is defending the devs actions the other is not.

Yes you are; like everybody, free to state your opinion. But I do think you need to reconsider what is real and what is not.

Why is it that people are always defending the devs inactions when posts like this made.

What Sophie has asked for is actually quite reasonable and what would be expected in a professional environment. So what if people don't know how long things will take, a quick answer of something like "I would love to be able to add that to the game but it involves around 12 months work" would be easy enough for the devs to do. 

Yes people will get angry if things aren't completed by the time they had stated, same people that are continually angry now because of the lack of communication and very slow progress in anything the devs do. But something no one seems to consider when posts like this are done is what would happen if the devs actually did say they would add something by a certain time and did do that. How about some of you that like to come in this forum trying to explain the reasons we shouldn't ask for anything or expect anything from the devs consider that and what would happen.

I know as well as anyone to not expect anything from the devs, no communication, no real effort, but I don't think people should just accept that is what they pay for. When you join a game like this there are expectations of what will be supplied that are normal, and the devs here do not even come close to supplying what is normally expected.

Yes the devs don't pay much attention to what is said in these forums, things that people have asked for time and time again, but do you think it could be possible that the devs seeing all these people making excuses for them may make them feel like they really don't need to.

25 minutes ago, KeshaBisha said:

I have no genuine desire to speak in favor of  RP Rape Rooms. It is only when I come across members so invested, so loud, so confident in their conviction, I just cant help myself. It reminds me of when i used to be exactly the same way. 80's babies. Lets all meet back here in ten years and laugh about it.

Saying its against the terms of service and actually being against the terms of service are 2 different things. What we do have is an unclear grey area surrounding the whole thing. We have Gizmos post of 2018, but we have a bdsm post giving full approval to slavery, IE forced sex, IE Rape. This has a post date of 2019 combined with the removal of the existing TOS and we all know the fine print reads TOS can change at any time always come to the X location for the most up to date.

On the home stretch nearing the finish line and Kesha throws down a bombshell. Damn that fing B or more like C.

As far as anyone really knows he was just shamed into closing. It's also a good bet you all have clubs and feel threatened or jealous and the whole game could get raped and you wouldn't care as long as you get rid of that club.

 

What garbage is this, look back to start of this thread and what you will find are people defending these rooms and going people like the person who opened the thread for not liking those rooms. Yes we end up getting pissed off and strongly making our points, but it is always the same in these threads. It is always after idiots come in defending the rooms.

So what do you want, these rooms to be allowed? or just for people to not care if they keep getting opened, that is the same thing. If these rooms are left to be opened without any restrictions what do you think will happen. They will become common and you will see these rooms constantly opened. As it is now it is likely that most that go to those rooms aren't doing so because of rape fantasies but if they become common place I think you will find that will change. And I am talking about males having fantasies of being the rapist, not females who have so called rape fantasies that are not real rape fantasies. Do you think that will be good for the game, that it will attract new custom, maybe it will attract some new custom but do you really want those sort of people to be attracted while others who see it as disgusting avoid the place. Is that what you want the game to be, somewhere where things like rape are included as being sex. Just because it is a sex game does it mean it has to cater for the disgusting. It is called a sex game, not a porn game and to most people sex does not mean porn or the disgusting. So I think for most people who venture into the game if they were to see multiple rooms listed saying rape rooms they would find the place very unattractive. Likely you would soon find the authorities closing it down. 

18 minutes ago, Xizl said:

No, I would not like such rooms to be open. No, such kind of roleplay is not OK for me. But yes, I am okay if people will play such kind of scenarios privately. You can not tell people what kind of fantasies they can or can not have. 

I am not even opposing the closing of rape rooms lol. I just find some arguments brought up in this thread wrong. 

Fine, I agree you cannot tell people what roleplay they do privately, but opening rooms specific for certain types of roleplay is not doing it privately, that is what this thread is all about. 

You aren't opposed to rape rooms being closed, wow, you could have fooled me up until now. As even though you haven't actually said so all your arguments seem to be implying the opposite. When you say you don't care about rape rooms and people being banned for opening them, but then go on to say we have to watch out what we allow and don't the way you did is very much defending them not being banned. In one of your post you mentioned what about other types of rooms, like race rooms, and went on to say things that could only be taken as you being against the banning of any type of room. Sorry I took that as you being apposed to the banning of any type of room including rape rooms.

1 hour ago, Xizl said:

Indeed. But there is no rape in 3dxchat. Only rape-themed RP.

I indeed tolerate ANY kind of fantasies as long as I am not involved and it's not getting shoved in my face. I would not want to see a child abuse room and would tell any person who are asking me to play such a scenario to begone and probably would be disgusted by such an invitation, but I really don't give a fuck what two peeps RP together as long as I am not involved in any form. 

So you would be fine if someone opened a room called slave the blacks and fantasised about being a slave owner, or beat the transgenders who fantasised about beating up transgenders. Maybe you would be, but I think that would be telling us all something about you. My opinion is if someone did open a room saying beat up transgenders you would be all over it. In fact like child abuse rooms I think everyone would, even though they would only be themed rooms as you put it. Just like rape rooms putting it in the list of open rooms with the theme showing and made clear is putting it in your face. The only difference is is rape is not an important enough issue to you. You can't rape anyone in 3DXChat, but if you see roleplay and fantasies of rape as innocent then you would also have to say that you can't enslave anyone or bash anyone in 3DXChat. So where do you draw the line Xizi, would you allow transgender bashing rooms, or nazi rooms. Is that kind of roleplay OK by you ?

43 minutes ago, KeshaBisha said:

This is not a safe house for rape victims. I'm not insensitive I am just done bending to political correctness. One you allow the R word to be controlled you open the door for every other bleeding heart cause you can think of. The fact is you are the ones marginalizing such a serious tragedy as Real rape with a cartoon game. You are the ones doing the dis service to actual Rape victims by thinking nagging on a club name and you've done your part. Give money or  volunteer your time but dont cheapen them to the point of comparing what they went through with a cartoon club name.

Now this post just is so far over the top, you likely don't know it but others in here do, I am a victim and I have also been involved in helping other rape victims. So before you go sprouting your BS in here know what you are talking about.

As for the things you keep saying, the word rape being used in the room names is not what bothers me and others, it is the intention of the rooms. It is the amount of people that go in those rooms when they are opened. It is what influence those rooms can have over people, and it is that there are so many that seem to think they should be allowed.

Do not compare shoot m up kill em dead games to this, in those games how many people do you think actually have fantasies of killing people. How many of those people do you think could find excuses for actually committing murder in those games. People have found excuses for committing rape just from reading bullshit stats on the Internet, like 60% of women have fantasies of being raped. There are loads of rumours and mis information that circulates in 3DXChat about rape, as there is in real life. But allowing rooms to open like that is like saying, hey we will give you all a place where you can hear them all, we will give you a place where you can increase the acceptance of your fantasy. Reading the things that are put in these threads where people keep defending rape fantasies as being something like normal makes me feel sick.

To all you who are saying what are we going to not allow next, that if rape rooms are stopped then what else will follow. Well the same can be said the other way, if rape rooms are allowed then how long before child sex abuse rooms will be asked to be allowed. 

Now here is the real killer, people in this thread have mentioned things like black slavery rooms or nazi rooms. I never saw any of those rooms and likely there never was any. But if there ever was a room opened like that there would be a huge backlash. Or lets say a room called bash a transgender or something like that. Knowing how it is in 3DXChat there would be a massive uproar. But when it comes to rape, well we only have to look through this thread to see it doesn't come close to comparing, how do you think that makes me feel.

Ok, so what I get from comments like the 2 above is that some people don't give a rats ass about rape and others seem to think that with taboos on risky topics that rape should be included as not bad enough to be not allowed.

Yes there are lots of subjects in 3DXChat that people will either agree with or not and people choose their own lines to be drawn. It seems the only one that everyone can agree to is when it comes to child sex. I am just surprised that there is so many who want to draw that line above rape. 

I don't accept that it is just roleplay as an excuse for people who will accept rape but not child sex as you can roleplay both, why is one roleplay acceptable and not the other, that to me is saying you do not think rape to be such a bad thing.

In those rooms you will find very few actual females, if any, mostly the female avis in those rooms will be males wanting to play a female victim. What concerns me most is that in those rooms you will find people with actual fantasies of rape. Get it through your heads, fantasies of rape is not healthy and for some is what leads to actual rape. Thinking that giving them a place where they can act out their fantasies can somehow prevent them from doing it for real is wrong, it will more likely just increase the amount they fantasise about rape. It also gives these people an environment where they can swap ideas and excuses. Most people who do commit rape had found themselves an excuse to allow them to do so.

Please stop belittling rape, it makes me feel like you do not include adult women who have been raped as being innocent and defenceless like you are when it comes to child sex. Plus with the largest percentage of rapes, in this country anyway, are girls under the age of 18.

7 hours ago, Leopardus said:

Have faith @NaomiMoonstone.  There are some decent men around in 3DX although from what I hear they are probably in the minority. 

After many years of being a member of adult MMO games, I never cease to be saddened when I hear about the way men talk to and treat females in game, and not only because of the disrespect shown to the female in question but because it kind of says that these men actually think like that in real life and have learnt nothing (even if they are less likely to act like it in real life).  If I am honest it shames me to be male when I hear this kind of stuff, even though I know I am not responsible for the way they have acted.

So speaking for myself and any others of my gender that are happy for me to speak for them, I am sorry you have experienced this and I truly hope for better experiences for you.

I did find quite a few decent guys in the game, but yes I agree they do seem to be the minority. I think they also find it a little hard in the game sometimes as well. I know they have trouble finding a women in the game they can trust to be a real women and often get into relationships to find out after sometimes months that they have been lied to the whole time. They also have to put up with all the dis trust caused by the game. So unfortunately like the game discourages women from staying I think it can also discourage a lot of the decent guys the same way. To many think that a sex game means porn and if you join a game like this you would have the same view on what you want from the game. It was fairly rare where I found a guy that would actually treat me similar to how I think they would a woman in real life, mostly sex was more like them trying to fulfil their fantasies of them finding themselves a porn queen. It often seemed like that was what they felt I was looking for. Unfortunately that also went for some of the guys I considered nice guys. There was really only a couple I found that treated me in a way I think they would a woman in real life. Even in a game I think most women are like myself, we do not want to be considered a slut or be treated like one. A slut may be what a lot of guys want when it comes to sex but a slut will never really get any respect from anyone, both guys and other women. That has been drummed into our brains from the day we were born and we can't help but have it influence us on how we like to be treated. So naturally if a guy approaches us like we are a slut we are not going to like it. One of the problems I found in a game like this is that there are far more men playing as women than there are actual women, most of which seemed to do so so they could have control over a female avi and have her be the slut he wanted. So I think that could be a reason so many think it is ok to approach women the way they do, most of these guys playing slutty female avis would respond the way they want. If most female avis in the game are actually guys with their slutty female avis giving favourable responses then wouldn't it become expected. I think that is why even some of the nice guys I found in the game when it came to sex still thought I wanted to be treated more like a slut. The game does not even really cater for what women really like when it comes to sex and doesn't give decent guys the tools they need to offer it.

I use to cop this a lot sometimes as well. Mostly it would happen when I was somewhere by myself like waiting for someone or something. I mostly just closed the PM and forgot about it but sometimes it would happen that often I would feel like you do.

One thing I have wondered, and as there has been a couple in here say the same thing that has been said before in other similar posts, which is it doesn't happen often to them. I have wondered why that is. So I would like to ask you and those people what you have as your preference, mine was set to men and I have thought that may also make a difference in who these people choose to harass. 

4 hours ago, Coldheart said:

 Going to try to explain this in a different and more detailed way in hopes it makes more sense. 
 

Let us say that starting this same topic does indeed get one person on 3DX to rethink opening such a room and said person never opens a room with this theme. First, if this person is one of the better people with stronger morals here they would most likely never have considered opening such a room in the first place. I know I never have. But let’s entertain the notion and say you accomplished preventing someone from doing it, as you describe as “worth it.”

 

What I am stating, in doing so, at the same time, these topics only encourage those with faulty morals to open them more. Not only those already opening them but also inspiring those, who had not considered it previously, to do it now.

 

So it ends up becoming the the old saying “one step forward and two steps back.” So in the end the behavior of complaining about in this particular forum is self defeating. 
 

The next, and better, alternative being not to open rooms like this yourself and canceling out from the game those that do, in any way available to you.

 

I have no idea how to explain it any better to you, so from here you are on your own. Good luck to you.

You are so full of yourself, as always talking shit from the point of view of someone who doesn't think like normal people.

I can't say how it is now but when I was in the game mostly it was fairly new players who opened the rooms. likely had not even read the TOS. You may think that people coming in these forums and seeing these threads will only encourage people to open up such rooms, but most people don't think like you. Most wouldn't see threads like these and think, oh wow, what a great idea, I will open one, or oh wow, I am going to fuck with these people and open one. That may be your way of reacting to a thread like this but most would see it as something they should think twice about before doing. Just because your way of socialising would have you react in certain ways does not mean it is the norm, in fact it is far from the norm.

6 minutes ago, kesha1982 said:

Ebstien Island would attract petiphiles yes. Rape ally will attract rapists no. What kind of a rapist wants a willing partner thats just stupid. I had a home invasion and i ran like hell butthat doesn't detour arousing thoughts of it in a safe environment. Sex with fear is good sex for an adrenaline addict, thrill seeker crazy B. You wholesome lady's bubbling with virtue don't realize you share the internet with all types. You might not grab a skate board as your primary vehicle and a mohawk standard hair style. But were out there or here or Where am I?

It is always easy to tell when a person hasn't got a decent argument, when they repeatedly fail to answer a question they have no answer to. Instead they will continue to answer with dribble that has little to nothing to do with the question asked. But I will respond to your dribble and hope you will choose to answer my question eventually.

Ebstien Island not only attracted paedophiles. it also attracted rapists, where most of the women and children who were taken there knew nothing of what was installed for them. Ebstien not only supplied the location he also supplied the victims. Name a place rape ally without supplying the victims and yes you are right, likely no rapists would go there, but take the same place and let it be known that unknowing victims are supplied and like Ebstien Island they would flock there. So your first point is BS dribble. If 3DXChat continues to allow people to openly act out their rape fantasies it will certainly attract potential rapists. If you think that no harm can come from that you are mistaken, put so many of them together where they can swap their views like have been said in these forums. Things like 60% of women have fantasies of being raped, when they say no they actually mean yes, rape isn't such a bad thing, all the bullshit these guys come up with to give them excuses they need to allow them to actually commit rape. Now you may think what I have just said is over reacting but it is fact. 

Yes we all know that we share the Internet with all types. But that does not give people the right to do as they please on the Internet. Just because we all know that they are there does not mean we have to accept them, does not mean it gives them the right to openly do what they do because we should expect it. We should not put any of the blame on victims of Internet abuse by saying it is the Internet and you should expect it. Yes people need to be careful, but defending abuse by saying it should have been expected will only encourage abuse. 

So I will ask the question again, why is it that you and others accept that if a room was to open for child sex abuse you would agree that it needs to be stopped, but when it comes to rape you think differently?