Twiggy

On 10/13/2020 at 8:18 AM, Lisa said:

We have not experienced any visitor-related server crashes since the release of the new server. We have yet to find out what the new server is capable of. As far as I know, it is optimized for a large number of visitors 

This is great and thank you for that information.

Can you possibly let us know why the pose editor has been withdrawn from being added to the game. There are a lot of players that could maybe help sort out the problem.

15 hours ago, AHT said:

From what I can see a lot of the marketing by 3dx seems to be done by these "review" websites where I guess they get a share of the money for signups - they all seem to give it pretty positive reviews (well they have to right, kerrrrching!). One imagines BMT Micro provides 3dx with figures on how long people stay paying, and I guess it gives them the ability to entice them back etc with discounts or whatever (if they want to). I guess having viewed various adult 3d games you might search for images or "3dxchat review" at which point a lot of websites appear. I've often heard people suggest a free trial is a good idea, but I suspect this might be a bad idea as I seem to recall the early days are quite lonely whereas if you paid for a month you might as well use it?

I'm not sure I agree with your point that the forum is a good marketing tool. I guess it can be as you can see events (3dx is alive!), but I think you have to sign up to see large parts of the forum? I don't sign up to a toaster forum when I decide what toaster I want to buy. I bought my car (Fiesta) based on reviews on car websites and I liked the test drive (I did test drive a Polo but stalled it like 20 times). Forums are for when you toaster works some of the time, but not all the time or when a mechanic says this is wrong and you want advice or support on your car. 

Also you may wish to check your textbook and search for the rule of diminishing returns. So for example the server may accomodate 10,000 users, but to get user 10,001 onboard you need a new server. Or for example rooms may become too crowded as to become unsueable (eg people can't hear the music as the stream used can only be heard by 50 people) or 300 people in Sin means you can't even get in. The point I'm making is there is a level at which too many people is a bad idea.

Also not sure I agree with your overall argument they failed in marketing as didn't you suggest Gizmo was living in a villa a few years ago:)

As I said in my post the forum gets a lot of traffic of which a good number of them are likely to be people looking for information on the game. Looking at the amount of guest are in the forums that figure is likely to be hundreds every day. The forum as it is is like you say, not really meant to promote the game. There are a couple of links to pages that are there for people who are looking to review the game but they are not very well done. Also they are not really that obvious for people who are looking to review. Yes lots of people look at reviews where 3DXChat have maybe paid for good reviews but there are also others that have bad reviews. No matter what happens on that side of things does not matter to what I am saying, which is because the forum comes up high in the search engines if you search "3DXChat", then it is almost certain a lot of people looking to find information on the game will click that link. It is very unlikely that players from the game would generate 100 guest at just about any time. Also how many players are going to do a search for "3DXChat" and click on the link for the forum. 

If you look at what Lisa said she actually stated the new server is optimised for a large number of visitors. Servers for a Unity game to cater for tens of thousands of visitors does not have to be a massive server. The way Unity works is to put a lot of the load on players/client computers when they open their rooms. When they do that their room becomes a new scene in Unity where the players/client computer does a lot of the server work. So if there is 300 people in a room then it would be more based on how good the room owners computer and Internet connection is. That has always been that way and is why some people can host with a lot of people and others can't. As the numbers have grown in the game the number of rooms open in the rooms list has grown. If the player population grew to say double what it is now that list would grow accordingly. Getting 100 people in your room has always been a high number to get, that was the same when there was only around 3,000 people in the game. Now it has around 7,000 if that is correct, 100 still remains the same high number for rooms. 

If they had some better links, like even just saying "About 3DXChat" which then leads to a well done promotion page, then potential customers could be more drawn into signing. At the moment they have "Download and play 3DXChat" which a lot of people would think that is just to download the game after you have decided to play. Another is "Read First" which links to a page that does have some information on the game but does not really sell it. Plus again how many potential players would click on that. It needs something like "SEE WHY 3DXChat IS THE NUMBER 1 SEX GAME IN THE WORLD" then the potential new players would be more likely to click on it. From there the page it links to should be very well done in the aim of selling the game to potential customers.

If I was one of the devs I would think about maybe a competition for people to create videos to sell the game. Then create that page with really clear and well presented information of what the game is today, not what it was several years ago.

I did this thread because I believe they have for at least four years been likely missing a lot of custom because they have not recognised the potential of the traffic that the forum gets and how many are likely potential new customers.

Plus also a lot of those review web sites that you were talking about are really old reviews, they talk about how the game and what was available from years ago. So anyone looking at them and then looking for something from the game itself are going to see what the game offered years ago.

Plus I have never said anything about Gizmo living in a Villa, but have said I think he would be doing well out of the game and have even said he may be just happy with the amount he is making and could be the reason he doesn't work on it much. But I still think he would be interested in anything that could raise his returns without having to do a lot of work to do so.

A few years ago I did a post in here about something I had found while going through my old study books. It was all about how conscription based businesses reach a maximum depending on the 3 aspects I mentioned in a post earlier in this thread. How many join each month, how many stay past the initial period and the average time people stay. What happens is that in any subscription based business it will over a certain time reach its maximum numbers as it gets to a stage where there as many leaving as there is new custom. If the 3 sets of numbers stay the same it will from then on only hover around that figure. I saw 3DXChat had seemed to reach that stage at around 7,000 players about 3 years ago. When I started it was growing by about 1,000 per year, I saw the celebrations of it reaching 2,000 and grow from there. I saw it grow rapidly in numbers when some really good updates were added but soon after drop back again. I also noticed that the yearly big update which would attract a lot of players back lost a lot of its ability to do so. Gizmo has often tried different things to try build the numbers, so I doubt very much he would be looking to keep it where it is because of server size, plus it is not that hard or expensive to set up bigger servers.

What I have seen over the years is Gizmo go very up and down on what I would call enthusiasm towards working on the game, especially as its growth in numbers began to stall.

In answer to your question LucyT I know that RLC had in the tens of thousands and yes I would say that 3DXChat could get there as well. 1,000 new players a year is only 20 per week which is very low, if they doubled that then over a few years the 7,000 would double to 14,000. If they improved the amount that keep playing on after the initial 1st month it would again make a huge difference. Then if they did as Alivia said and started adding better features to the game more regularly people would tend to stay longer improving the numbers again. My opinion is the game could easily get well into the tens of thousands.

If someone types 3DXChat they have already found out about the game and very likely know a little of what to expect. Xizi is right in what she says, the main website is really old, I don't think it has changed much from when I started in 2014. There is so much more can be done to show people a better view of the game and influence them to give it a try. 

It has very much always been that the forum comes up before the main website in a search, I think that is because the forum generates its own traffic which counts towards where it is placed in the search. A lot of people looking for the forum must just type 3DXChat. 

Yes the devs could pay to get the main site up higher, from memory that works on a bidding system and how much it would end up costing I don't know, but it is not really the point. They already, and for some time now had the forum coming up high in the search so they could just utilise that. Even just a better link on the front page of the forum to show potential customers where to go would make a difference.

The forum is rather easy to update and add to where as updating the main website would involve more work. They could easily add to and continue to update the front page of the forum and improve how they cater for potential new custom that go there.

Over the years I have seen the devs try different things to try generate new custom, they even had competitions for players to make banner adds and have tried placing those adds in various places. They have shown they want to increase the amount of people joining the game but have always failed to do the basics. Search engine optimisation and such. 

The easiest thing for them to do right now is to take advantage of the traffic already going to the forum, of which I would say there are quite a few just trying to get information on the game and what to expect. A catchy way of guiding those people to some well thought out representation of the game could generate quite a bit of new custom and can be very easy to do.

I started playing in 3DXChat in 2014 and have been involved in these forums for much of the time since then. I haven't played for over 2 years but still do often look in these forums to see if anything interesting has been added to the game.

Not long before I joined I was a university student at which I did a side course for certificate 4 marketing and communication, really just an entry level course for marketing but did get some good insights into the basics of marketing.

Over the years I have watched what 3DXChat has done with it's marketing and have noticed they don't even seem to know the basics. They have failed and continue to fail badly in several aspects of which some should be very obvious. For example this forum is and always has been its most valuable marketing tool. The forum generates more potential customers than any other medium they have yet they have never applied anything in the forum to influence potential new customers to join.

If you type 3DXChat in google the very 1st link that shows in the list, here in Australia anyway, is the forum. So a good number of interested people who are looking for information on 3DXChat would find their way to the forum. This is apparent through the numbers that visit this this forum. There are always close to 100 guest showing as actively looking through the forum and a good percentage of them would be people looking for information on 3DXChat. To get an estimate of how many of these could be potential customers you can work on estimated averages. If each visitor stays for an average of 1 hour then 100 times 24 hours is 2,400 visitors per day. If the average of these guest visitors are people looking for information on 3DXChat is say 50% then the forum generates 1,200 people per day looking for information on the game. Now those figures can be lower or higher depending on what the percentages actually are but I think it is fairly safe to say there are plenty of potential customers finding their way to these forums.

What does the forum do to turn all these potential customers into customers, very little. There should at least be a very stand out link to the main 3DXChat website, there would only be a small amount would click on "Download and play 3DXChat" when they are just reviewing. Also the main website, 3DXChat.com, does not even appear in the 1st 2 pages of the google search when 3DXChat is typed in for a search. And even then the main website is very outdated and never really has been a good influence to have people join the game. My opinion is the front page of the forum should include very well done marketing strategies to influence as many of these potential customers to join as possible. If done right it could possibly produce as many as 100 new customers every day.

In an online game such as 3DXChat there are 3 main points in a marketing strategy that need to be constantly reviewed.

1) Attracting new potential custom and influencing them to join.

2) Watching how many new customers stay after the initial 1st period.

3) The average time each customer stays a customer.

3DXChat has always failed badly in all 3 and over years and has really only tried to find new ways to attract new custom. There has never been enough done to try improve on the amount of people that try the game and do not go past the 1st month. There most definitely needs to be more done to help new players settle into the game. 

Sorry ran out of time, I will add to this later.

Derai I know where you are coming from as I have been there myself. I grew up not so much hating myself but hating the life that had been given to me. I had a lot of bad things happen to me when I was young that had me believing that is my life and how things are for me. I would see others that were always happy and never having to face the things I had to and would get really jealous and angry. When I was in primary school I was super skinny and had no bum, I was always teased and tended to react to it badly which just made things worse. Later in high school when I had filled out and the boys started to notice me, 2 of them lied about me saying I had done things with them I had not which gave me a reputation I did not deserve, plus the queen of the bitch brigade who had already decided she didn't like me made sure she made it stick. I won't get into what happened when I was 16 although I have talked about it in these forums before and some people do know. What it all did to me though is have me thinking that is how my life is, like it was so much different to everyone else and I just had to bare it. For a long time even when things were going right for me I would always be waiting and expecting something to come along or happen that would stuff it up as that was what always seemed to happen. It is only recently I have realised that I no longer think that way. I was lucky, I had people around me that could often figure me out and seem to know just what to say to pick me up and help me get back on the right track. So I thought I would like to share some of things that were said to me that stuck and did a lot to help me through it.

Life for everyone is full of things that go wrong and things we don't like, we are always having to do things we don't want to and face things we would rather not have to. It seems we all have to do that much more than we get to see things go right and do things we really enjoy that present moments of true happiness. But when those moments do happen that is what makes it all worth while. Unfortunately we live in a world where times of real enjoyment are much outweighed by times we do not really enjoy, like having to work and do things we just do not like having to do. To many things happen that have us feeling down and make us unhappy at that time. But without those times could we really have times of true happiness that leave us feeling really good. If everything always went right and there was nothing that happened that would have us feeling down could we still find those times where we experience true happiness that makes it all worth while. Wouldn't it all become boring and have us still looking for something more. We have to accept there will always be things go wrong and always be things happen we do not like, that it is part of life and actually needed to allow us to find those times of true happiness that makes it all worth while. 

I learnt to push myself through the bad times and not put so much to them. I focussed on doing and planning things, working towards things that could have those moments of true happiness happen for me. More times than not they wouldn't work out but the more I tried the more they did happen. It wasn't easy as even when I did get good things working I could not get past expecting something to come along that would stuff it all up. But I kept thinking about what I had been told, that without the bad times we can't really get the good, that without things that go wrong we can't really have things that go right. I found the more I pushed aside the bad things and focussed on finding, or more so pushing and planning for the good the more good things happened. 

@jadekali I am going to try to give you some advice and hope you take it that way and not that I am just trying to have a go at you.

I have been following this thread and your safe haven thread with the different things that have been brought up in it and can see a pattern that I often saw in 3DXChat. I am going to point out some things I can see that I know you are not going to like but can only hope I can make you think about how you have made yourself look in these forums.

For example, your reply here...

11 hours ago, jadekali said:

That's not how I remember it .....but nevertheless please accept my apologies for it......I would very much like to be friends again....I miss you Lorelia......

I will be opening the Krazy Kat Speakeasy in about 15 minutes.....which is basically a tribute to The Jazzy Lounge......I would be honored if you would make an appearance......thank you.

This is not even close to an apology and to me looks more like something where you would use it later to say you did apologise. If you were to really acknowledge what Lorelia had said in her post you should actually feel and express shame. Your apology would show that and not say it is not how you remember it. 

You have named around a dozen different people in this thread and others saying how they had left or done things to you of which many of them have come in and posted showing a completely different version of what had happened. All of them show similar stories that show you have tried to dictate terms to them, have tried to tell them who they can be friends with and push them to obey your wants. I saw this happen often in the game where people thought themselves so important and right and thought they had the right to tell others what they should do and not do. Then when these people did not they would turn on them also. 

One of the hardest things to deal with in the game is when friends get into arguments and you have to deal with 2 or more people you are friends with not getting along to even hating each other. It gets much worse when one or both of them try to get you involved. The people I respected most were the ones that would not expect me to dump friends because they didn't get along with them, that would acknowledge that it had nothing to do with me and it was my choice. 

You need to accept you have made mistakes and all these people are reacting the way they are for a reason.

The problem with this is like in the game we will now all be suspect of new comers. He will come back in with alts, some he will make obvious and some he wont, but will do what he has always done in these forums, looking to try feed his ego that will have been hurt. 

7 minutes ago, Coldheart said:

This reminds me of when someone here literally posted pics of crap all over forums in spam fashion. Still not sure what that was intended to accomplish.

I remember that, I was about 50/50 on it being one of RobTs alts. Reason being I had a go at him about posting his crap in any and every thread in the forum, then that started happening.

26 minutes ago, Coldheart said:

It’s American sarcasm, intended to be comedic. If I am not mistaken it is derived from British humour, which to me is even harder to understand.

Well I am happy to aid in correcting your mistake as I think most people will have read what you said and seen it as I did, praise.

26 minutes ago, Coldheart said:

Also, I could not make it all the way through your reply. You write too much for me to read all of it.

Well I have never been into posting giffs, but maybe I should for the people that just like to look at pictures in books.

4 hours ago, Coldheart said:

 

I'm almost positive this message means Rob asked to be deleted from forums. He's always one step ahead of the game. One of these days he won't be so smart and fast and will actually get banned. But until then, I have to tip my hat to him. Tricky devil.

No matter how hard I try I can't make any sense what so ever out of what you say here. What in those messages say anything other than Lisa agreeing with what was said and then banned RobT. Or maybe you believe the crap he span last time he got banned, that he wanted to be banned. Come on I thought you were smarter than that. He started saying that when he had realised he had gone to far and was almost certainly going to face a ban. You think he is one step ahead of the game, bullshit, he is just a fool who thinks he is smarter than everyone else. Anyone can get in these forums, fling insults and go deliberately out to upset people, make several alts and cause the disturbance he does. It does not take any sort of intelligence to do so and rather just shows him to be lacking in a lot of things. He was banned because of his bad conduct, both times. Plus in the last forum anyway, if you requested for your account to be deleted what would show on your old posts would be your name followed by guest. If you were banned your name was just greyed out, no guest showing afterwards. RobT was at first greyed out, then shortly after all his posts were removed. Both times he has been banned for the crap he does in these forums, nothing to do with Robs so called wants. Don't make him out to be something he is not, he has always been predictable and nothing more than the pain in the ass his wanted to be, similar to a child trying to get attention the only way he was able.

5 hours ago, Derai said:

He’ll be back. No question about that. 
His ‘Never been banned’ boast is broken now though. 
I call that a win. 
 

Big hugs to all that reported him. 

Likely he will try saying he wanted to be banned, like he claimed last time. Looks like all his posts have been removed again to. like last time. I reported him last Sunday showing 5 times where he had quoted my name with insults so I would see the message, trying his best to get me to respond, he seemed determine to have a rematch or something. I told them I had not responded but would if they chose to do nothing. He disappeared for a week so I would say he got a suspension. I knew it wouldn't be long before he got a permanent ban, well done Derai.

2 hours ago, Coldheart said:

 

I wonder if JessicaX will reply to you saying you exposed yourself as not being a decent person who likes to perpetuate conflict here. I am going to gamble and go out on a limb here and say NO. LOL.

Some people in this forum do really amaze me, this post above being said about me who has only posted once in this thread by a person who has posted many times with posts mainly doing exactly what he is accusing me of. It seems your view of a decent person is to post childish insults in as many threads as possible. I would be concerned if you actually complemented me.

9 minutes ago, jadekali said:

Everything in that "parable" was true......but you wouldn't know anything about such matters because
like the rest of these trolls you are just a flunky of Chloe's.....you are a never was.....and a never will be....
You will never know what it is like to the reach the popularity level needed to have an 8 month room of triple figure crowds
or have your best DJ's raided by jealous discords....or have your discord raided for its members....
because you are nobody....and always will be .....and all you can ever do is try to tear down others and lower them in the gutter 
to be next you....but guess what?
I have survived all the raids......all the trolls .....and Safe Haven is stronger then ever!

.....and there's nothing YOU and all the rest of
your loser friends can do about it.....so keep on crying and do your imaginary "EXPOSES"......lol
Have a nice life  
 

Wow, reading through this thread I was already able to see what sort of person you are, but this last post is just so over the top and incorrect I find it hard to believe that someone could be that stupid. Both Jessica and Chloe know exactly what it is like to achieve popularity in 3DXChat and all the downfalls that come with it. One of which as you are showing is that people will always try to destroy your popularity with lies. I don't know much about you, in fact I only know you from this thread but I would be willing to bet that you have not even achieved half of what they have. One big difference is they don't go around bragging about their achievements. Jessica I know has likely helped more people in 3DXChat to get started with their DJing than anyone else in the game and for a long time was one of the most in demand DJs in there. Chloe is much the same. I think you really need to look why all those people left you and stop trying to put the blame on others. After all if the environment you are at is a good one why leave. You may think you are showing yourself as someone important and worth knowing in this thread but you are in fact doing the opposite.

19 hours ago, Xizl said:

It is, indeed. In a professional environment. But do you have a feeling of professional environment here? Or maybe you believe that it wasn't one for years, but if ask another time – things will change? Did not change all that time before, when dozens of people were complaining during dc's/lack of updates, but now will suddenly change? Suuure.

Well I don't know about you and others, but if I pay for a service I expect professionalism. Yes after people have been in the game for a while they will realise that 3DXChat is not a professional environment but does that give them the excuse to continue with that practice. Does that mean that people should not complain. Sorry but this sort of quote makes me feel like we are being forced to accept we live in a world where we should not expect professionalism even when we pay for it.

19 hours ago, Xizl said:

I mean, who knows. Not so long ago they announced a patch/maintenance time. Maybe they really decided to act more professional. Let's see if that is a real change or it just for few weeks/months again and then things will return back to how they were. Though... I believe, if devs really will start taking their project with more professionalism and responsibility – it will happen because of desire to keep/increase their income and understanding that lack of decent competition will not be always a thing. Not because someone asked them. 

Well I believe that if there weren't so many people coming in these forums making excuses for the devs, which I would say is not as bad now as it use to be. But if that had not been so prominent in these forums then the devs will have taken a lot more notice of peoples complaints.

20 hours ago, Xizl said:

Lol. What is to "consider" there? Of course it would be great. So what? Just because it would be great does not mean it's going to happen.

People free to ask whatever they want. And I am free to express my pessimism realism as well.  

Yeah sure. It's because of people "protecting" devs (see how full of protection my posts are!) they don't bring more updates/act more professional. 

I really think you overrating the weight of our opinion here. 

Yes of course what I said is obvious, just the same as saying that if the devs were to give a completion time and not make it people would get angry. My point is why keep coming in these forums stating one thing that is so obvious but not the other. One is defending the devs actions the other is not.

Yes you are; like everybody, free to state your opinion. But I do think you need to reconsider what is real and what is not.

Why is it that people are always defending the devs inactions when posts like this made.

What Sophie has asked for is actually quite reasonable and what would be expected in a professional environment. So what if people don't know how long things will take, a quick answer of something like "I would love to be able to add that to the game but it involves around 12 months work" would be easy enough for the devs to do. 

Yes people will get angry if things aren't completed by the time they had stated, same people that are continually angry now because of the lack of communication and very slow progress in anything the devs do. But something no one seems to consider when posts like this are done is what would happen if the devs actually did say they would add something by a certain time and did do that. How about some of you that like to come in this forum trying to explain the reasons we shouldn't ask for anything or expect anything from the devs consider that and what would happen.

I know as well as anyone to not expect anything from the devs, no communication, no real effort, but I don't think people should just accept that is what they pay for. When you join a game like this there are expectations of what will be supplied that are normal, and the devs here do not even come close to supplying what is normally expected.

Yes the devs don't pay much attention to what is said in these forums, things that people have asked for time and time again, but do you think it could be possible that the devs seeing all these people making excuses for them may make them feel like they really don't need to.

7 hours ago, Leopardus said:

Have faith @NaomiMoonstone.  There are some decent men around in 3DX although from what I hear they are probably in the minority. 

After many years of being a member of adult MMO games, I never cease to be saddened when I hear about the way men talk to and treat females in game, and not only because of the disrespect shown to the female in question but because it kind of says that these men actually think like that in real life and have learnt nothing (even if they are less likely to act like it in real life).  If I am honest it shames me to be male when I hear this kind of stuff, even though I know I am not responsible for the way they have acted.

So speaking for myself and any others of my gender that are happy for me to speak for them, I am sorry you have experienced this and I truly hope for better experiences for you.

I did find quite a few decent guys in the game, but yes I agree they do seem to be the minority. I think they also find it a little hard in the game sometimes as well. I know they have trouble finding a women in the game they can trust to be a real women and often get into relationships to find out after sometimes months that they have been lied to the whole time. They also have to put up with all the dis trust caused by the game. So unfortunately like the game discourages women from staying I think it can also discourage a lot of the decent guys the same way. To many think that a sex game means porn and if you join a game like this you would have the same view on what you want from the game. It was fairly rare where I found a guy that would actually treat me similar to how I think they would a woman in real life, mostly sex was more like them trying to fulfil their fantasies of them finding themselves a porn queen. It often seemed like that was what they felt I was looking for. Unfortunately that also went for some of the guys I considered nice guys. There was really only a couple I found that treated me in a way I think they would a woman in real life. Even in a game I think most women are like myself, we do not want to be considered a slut or be treated like one. A slut may be what a lot of guys want when it comes to sex but a slut will never really get any respect from anyone, both guys and other women. That has been drummed into our brains from the day we were born and we can't help but have it influence us on how we like to be treated. So naturally if a guy approaches us like we are a slut we are not going to like it. One of the problems I found in a game like this is that there are far more men playing as women than there are actual women, most of which seemed to do so so they could have control over a female avi and have her be the slut he wanted. So I think that could be a reason so many think it is ok to approach women the way they do, most of these guys playing slutty female avis would respond the way they want. If most female avis in the game are actually guys with their slutty female avis giving favourable responses then wouldn't it become expected. I think that is why even some of the nice guys I found in the game when it came to sex still thought I wanted to be treated more like a slut. The game does not even really cater for what women really like when it comes to sex and doesn't give decent guys the tools they need to offer it.

I use to cop this a lot sometimes as well. Mostly it would happen when I was somewhere by myself like waiting for someone or something. I mostly just closed the PM and forgot about it but sometimes it would happen that often I would feel like you do.

One thing I have wondered, and as there has been a couple in here say the same thing that has been said before in other similar posts, which is it doesn't happen often to them. I have wondered why that is. So I would like to ask you and those people what you have as your preference, mine was set to men and I have thought that may also make a difference in who these people choose to harass. 

I don't know if this is still possible but there use to be a way to make it look like a person had entered something in to the chat. I had a friend use to do that to me just as a joke but it really looked like I had entered something in the chat box. I think it was done using spaces and the <BOLD> command, he would enter something that would show his own entry then it would look like I had said something right after him. If that is still possible then fake reports could be done that way. 

Players go after others for all sorts of reasons and no matter what you do you can easily find yourself with someone trying to stuff things for you. It could be you have a guy like you that someone else likes, or it could be they don't like that you have a popular room. I often saw people doing their best to try break up couples. There are so many things that can have someone go after you through no fault of your own. 

I don't think having someone on ignore will make it so the devs can tell it was not you that did the text. For that to be right the devs would have to keep a record of when people are put on ignore and taken off ignore and I doubt very much they would have that. 

So it what I said is still possible it would be really easy to get people banned.

7 hours ago, Xizl said:

I am not willing to accept rape.

Indeed, I am not bothered by the word "rape" in the name of the room in online game. Because I know that no one there are really getting raped or going to be raped. You can't rape people in 3dxchat. What people (well, some of them at least) in such rooms do is rape/forced sex themed RP. Yeah, maybe it's absolutely disgusting for you, but you have to admit that it's not a rape. Consensual roleplay in online game simply can't be a rape. 

If I am willing to accept the fact that people doing such kind of roleplays and not bothered much by a room named like this (even if I admit that it's kinda nasty and straight up distasteful) – it does not mean that I have acceptance towards the rape. I mean a real rape, not a roleplay. I think that rape is absolutely unacceptable and should be punished harshly, no matter the circumstances, no matter the gender/clothes/time of the day/place or any other conditions. It's always the guilt of the rapist and rape can't have any excuses. 

But what happens in game has nothing to do with a real rape. It's just a consensual RP.

So if someone created a room and called it child molesting adventures or child rape you would be fine with that to? I doubt you or anyone else would. Yet the same could be said for them to, it is only role play, no children are actually being molested or raped. So my question to you is where is the difference, why is it that one evil is accepted as not acceptable and the other is ok when both are really the same. It is a line you choose to draw, if it involves children then pretty much everyone agrees it can't be allowed. Children are vulnerable and innocent and it is easy to determine the wrong. But so are women who are raped vulnerable and innocent, and that is what needs to be recognised. By recognising that child rape or molestation rooms should not be allowed because you find it wrong and vulgar to even fantasise about it, but then saying it is ok for rape rooms you are then not recognising rape with the same respect. You are not seeing people who fantasise about rape in the same way which means you are not putting enough meaning to what it means to a woman to be raped. The word itself is not what use to have me thinking I shouldn't be playing this game. It was when ever I saw one opened it would always have so many people in that room. That would have me thinking there are far to many people in this game that put far to little to the meaning of rape. Far to many people that have rape fantasies. Seeing that was what use to hurt and have me logging out.

Thread number 14,652 on the subject, but hey, everyone is happy, so some people like to say.

1 hour ago, Xizl said:

What is good about it, tell me?

You think it's a lot of fun when you are horny, guy undressing you and then you realise that he did not bother to read your profile and he writes "Can you remove your cock babe?". Like it's just some toy. Or he just poofs without a single word. Or, in a worst case, he is getting angry/irritated and become aggressive verbally, like it's your fault that damn idiot can't read a profile of a person he is getting intimate with. 

And about FF poses. They are showing in the menu only when you are with other girl. Like any other poses. MF showing when you are with guy, FF when you are with girl, and group poses be it FFM, MMF or FFF only when you are with that combination of partners. I don't know if it was always like this or not though, I started to play in the end of 2018. 

 

 

Because there are lots that have come in these forums and said they like being indistinguishable from females because they don't get the usual disrespect that they get if people know they are futa or transgender. Others have said they get more action and others have argued they have a right to be able to tell people what gender they actually are when they feel fit.

I couldn't remember how the poses were done in menus as to FF and such, is why I asked the question. But I do remember that as a hetero sexual female I had a lot of poses that I would not ever have use for, but they must have all been futa type poses, some of which were really hard to tell they were for futas.

Ok maybe I came back at you a bit strong and as I said I could have worded it better. I do  tend to feel that almost everyone in these forums knows my stand on this subject and have to keep in mind I am not in here as much now and there are people who don't know. I did get a little offended when you said I wanted 15 genders as I get so sick of people over sating things and making claims that I have said things I have not. But lets forget about the misunderstandings now that we know what each other is really meaning. I will say I know there are many different types of transgenders in rl, something like over 50 of them. In real life almost all of them want to be included under the female gender, there has even been laws past in some countries that allow them to be defined as a female, even if they still have a penis. I know it is causing a lot of problems in certain countries and ending up in courts. One I noticed reminded me of an experience I had myself when I was going to uni and living with 3 other girls in Melbourne. We had made friends with a transgender that lived a couple of doors up from us in the same apartment building we lived in. She was fine except sometimes she got on our nerves insisting she knew more about being a women than we did, ie, how to dress. We even went to a bar once with her that was mostly transgenders and met some of her friends. Once when she was at our place we all decided to go swimming at the indoor pool near us. She came, and as we were going there a friend of hers called her. That friend invited herself to come as well. The problem came at the pool in the changing rooms, they both had penises and although the one we knew was considerate of us and trying her best to not make us feel uncomfortable, her friend did. Her friend was constantly looking at us, making comments and had us feeling we definitely had a male in those rooms with us. I read a while ago where there was a court case I think was in the UK where the same thing had happened, but was something to do with a company changing room. The result was that the transgender that was taken to court was defined to be not a transgender but a female impersonator. That seems to be happening quite a bit in some of these countries that have allowed them to be legally identified as female and females in these countries are pushing to have the law changed back. We don't have it as law here but the transgenders tend to want to use the female toilets and changing rooms. I can also see they have a problem when it comes to things like that, they are not really welcome in either. But perhaps feel more welcome in our changing rooms. The thing is it is not comfortable at all having someone with a penis in the changing room with you, checking you out as you change. I don't know what can be done about it but I do think it needs to be recognised how it makes us females feel, not just put our feelings aside and say we have to get with the times. 

In the game it goes even further, people have no way of knowing until they undress and put a cock on themselves. Yes I can see how that can be good for them, but again it is us that have to make sacrifices for them to be able to do so. I feel those sacrifices are played down far to much and we are expected to just bare it so they can be seen as female. But what that means, because there is so many of them in the game, is that all ,females are seen as being mostly not female. So females who play and want to be treated as female have to put up with being seen as most likely not being female. 

If the genders were defined with one or 2 extra genders for futas and transgenders that would only improve. Yes there would still be a lot of guys playing as girls, but at least people would know they are not playing as futa or transgender. And the menus could be sorted to only have the required poses.

For lesbians and bi, that is already sorted in the way of recognition by the preferences in our profiles. And that could also be used to set what poses show in the pose menus. If your preference is women only, why have certain poses for sex for MF, if your preference is men only, why have poses for FF. If you want to change it so you get the poses you don't get, all you would need to do is change your preferences.

30 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

Perhaps that is not what you wished to say, but my point remains the same.  Everyone identifies differently these days and each person should have the ability to create their own.

Yes I agree, I want to be able to identify myself as being a female, that is the whole point of this. At the moment we can't without actually putting something in our profile ourselves. Even if we don't worry about if we are actually females in rl or not, the way things are when a persons sees us in the game they have no way of knowing what we are in the game. We could be female, futa or transgender.

27 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

That is what you said. And Yes I did read it. And I quoted it back to you.

 

 

 

 

If you had bothered to read almost any of my previous posts you will have known that by me saying having to share my gender is meaning I object to having to share my gender, maybe I could have worded that better but if you had been following the subject you most definitely will have known that. I have always strongly objected to having to share the female gender with so many other genders. I have always said that us females should have our own gender. If you read the rest of that post it should be obvious what I meant, why would I go on about how it is to hard for guys to be able to tell what they are getting when they approach a female if I did not.