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Look it is this simple, Gizmo doesn't work on the game much because he doesn't have to.

It gets me how some people think, likely because you haven't been around long enough to know what really goes on. The truth is the longer it takes between updates is the less time Gizmo is prepared to spend on the game, which is sadly lacking to say the least. When the game 1st started it was ahead of its time as far as the looks of the avatars goes. But now as they have done almost nothing to improve them it is years behind. Where articles use to be written with praise on the looks of the avatars they are now saying the opposite, they look like plastic and such comments are now what is said. Gizmo has not been prepared to spend much time on the game for years and from the looks of it that has only gotten worse. Eventually he will have to or the game will die as people start to see how far he has fallen behind with avatar graphics. Yes as far as sex games go there aren't any others doing any better, but compared to other games they are years behind.

No I don't think so, I could be wrong but from what I understand if the rigging is the same then the clothes will still fit. Plus it is likely the avatars they use were of a higher mesh and reduced for the game, like is done with most avatars used in games. I know if you transfer genesis characters into Unity and reduce the mesh the clothes still fit, so I would say it would be the same for others as well.

I only look in these forums every now and then now but the same old thing always seems to be here, lack of updates and attention to the game. It has been like that for years, wasn't always like it as the 1st few years it was completely the opposite. Improving the look of avatars isn't just higher res textures but also higher count meshes and when you do that it gets much more demanding on computers, so yes people with lower end computers can suffer. But why should people who have spent the money on high end computers have to suffer for those that have not. Especially when it can be done to cater for all. I suggested this a long time ago but nothing ever came from it. They can fairly easily cater for all where people with high end computers can get the better looking avatars and others can still play the game the way it is. They can also do things to improve it for all. 1) They can add settings for avatar quality just like they do now for environment settings, low medium and high. So people can set their games to match the power of their computers. This will make it so people who have high end computers get the benefit from them. 2) They can make it so when people are in private, like fucking in a private room, where there is usually only 2 of them. That the avatars are then in high detail. That is where people mostly want to be able to see high detail is it not? ie, High detail rooms which include high detail avatars. The strain on computers if they had high detail avatars comes when the numbers in a room are high. If they have very high detail avatars in 1 room then even as few as 6 people can put to much a stain on your system. But as I pointed out before we are not always in rooms with that amount of people and it is when we are not we want higher detail. Doing both of my suggestions is not as complicated as people would think, the biggest part is supplying the high detail avatars which can be done fairly easily. The scripting behind ,aking it happen wouldn't be much either and they already have much of it in what is in the game already. ie environment settings. I see often in these forums where the devs are doing things to try promote the game, to improve the numbers. Yet they always seem to not get the real issues. The game needs to improve and a really big part of that is improving the visuals. If they did what I suggested here then the numbers would improve, very much so I believe.

@TashaTight and Natassia. We all know there are a lot of different types of transgenders and it is not possible to cater for all under one. But isn't that what is being done now, not only all transgenders but including the female sex as well, all under female. There needs to be a third gender "Transgender" not just so they have their own but also so the female sex has their own. As far as the transgenders go what they get under their gender would remain exactly what is there now, same menus, same everything. But it would be the female that would change, our menu would not include poses we don't need or use. It would have a strap on that can be used in poses that lesbians use but no pop up cock that can be so annoying. So what is actually needed is the present female gender to be changed to Transgender and left completely how it is and a new female gender to be added without the popup cock and poses they involve.

I have only read parts of this thread relating to what is coming up with the new update, mainly around being able to give xgold to others. One thing that seems to have not been mentioned is how this is going to effect how people will go about boosting room numbers. People with cash to burn will pretty much find ways to pay people to attend. They will offer competitions, pay dancers, offer payment for completing tasks just to name a few and people will go there to make xgold. The place will change completely where people with the most xgold to burn will be the ones getting numbers in their rooms. Then you will get people buying and selling xgold.

And now I am having to explain things to a person that isn't even willing to take the time to work out how easy an account can be handed across to someone else. Step one, get an email from the buyer and change the email in the account to that email. Step 2, send the password to the buyer. The account is now theirs. The difference between giving a gift and 300xgold if currency transfer is added is also easy to work out if you thought about it for just a few minutes. 1. Gifts can only be purchased from 3DXChat and are not exchangeable after received, once purchased it is not worth anything. If currency transfer is added xgold would be able to be transferred to someone else again and can be used to buy other things where gifts cannot. It opens the door lots of things being paid for with xgold easily without having to do a real money transaction every time. As it is now the only way you can give someone xgold is by purchasing it with a real money transaction from 3DXChat. If 3DXChat did not offer a buyback system when they add xgold transfer players in the game will set up to offer to buy and sell xgold. I know one person who I believe is still in the game that use to brag about making money from buying and selling the in game currency in another game, he has always said if 3DXChat adds currency transfer the 1st thing he will do is make a website and start doing the same in 3DX. So it is not really an assumption, it is a likelihood that if 3DXChat does not offer a buyback system when they add currency transfer then people in the game will start buying it and selling it for real money. Put it this way, I have over 100k xgold, I know people still in the game that often buy xgold who know they can trust me. I offer them my xgold at a cheaper price than 3DXChat sells it for, do you really think no one would take up the offer or other people in my position wouldn't look to do the same. There are lots of people in the game that think xgold is useless and have over the years accumulated lots of it. Do you really think that if given an opportunity to sell some of it for real money that no one will do so. My opinion is it is not a question of if but how many. Again it is not just an assumption, it is a likelihood. I am not making a stand against anything and have even said that I am not against adding currency transfer multiple times in this thread. I have also said multiple times that what I am trying to point out is it is not as easy to add as people think. I could go on about a lot of different things that have come up in previous threads about this subject, things that the devs would have to look at seriously before they add xgold transfers, but I will just say this. Yes there is a lot of things that would be good to have in the game that xgold transfers would produce, but with the positives there are also negatives, especially if it was just added with no restrictions and no considerations on the negatives it can and is likely to produce.

Hey Nymphpott If I remember right you finally got your pigtails, I would like to think I helped you with that. So can we call it even and drop that 5xgold I owe you. Oh, and it was 2014 not 2016. Judd said to say Hi and that he remembers you and having fun with you behind that bar to.

THX and THX Builder, what a coincidence, especially as both of you can't see past the end of your nose. I have already pointed out the difference between 3DXChat and those 2 other worlds but I will do it again as you keep bringing it up. They set it up with currency transfer and a buyback system from the start, or not long after, 3DXChat has operated for 10 years only selling and giving away its currency without a transfer system or buyback system. The reason it works in those other games and the way make money is because it has a buyback system where they buyback at a cheaper price than they sell for. I can't be sure about what Gizmo meant buy what he said but I took it as if he adds currency transfer it will mean that countries where their currency is worth little towards others, like where he comes from, Russia. Will be at a disadvantage. I have heard from lots of people that 3DXChat has a lot more players from countries all over the world than any other game, including Russia. I even remember people saying that the other games, even though you can play free end up costing lots more because you have to buy everything in the game and that cashed up people have a definite advantage. Do you really think that if 3DXChat offers to buyback xgold that there won't be heaps of people looking to sell it back to them, how silly are you. It wouldn't only be people who don't play anymore there would also be lots of people in the game do it. As far as what you seem to feel I assume, where have I said anything like all returning players would only be looking to go back in just to sell their xgold, that is an assumption you have made or more trying to put words into my mouth because I have not said or thought anything of the sort. What I have said is if 3DXChat offers to buy back xgold there would be lots of players like me who don't play anymore but have heaps of xgold, would look to go back in and make a quick easy buck. Not once have I said all the those players would or all players going back into the game would look to do so. I don't think like you, I don't think everyone thinks the same. Now again I will say........ I would not be against them adding currency transfer and use to push for it myself when I played. But it is not as simple just adding in a transfer system in the game with no restrictions or allowing for what can happen. There is a lot more to be sorted out than people like THX seem to think. If done wrong could cause some real problems for the game and the devs. THX can try to make it sound simple all he wants, I know from previous experience that the devs most definately do not think that way.

Oh I see, you haven't listened when I said it doesn't matter to me and likely lots of others that it took years to get that 100k together. Unlike you I don't think everyone thinks like me, I understand that some will look at it like you and think it took so long to get it and paid for with subscriptions. But some will also think like me that I paid to play and the 300xgold each day was free and is pretty much useless. See like others I never bothered with getting married or divorced or pretty much anything that people used xgold for, spent very little of what I got and never once paid for any. Plus I no longer play and have no use for it at all. So your shitload of work theory to me and I would say a lot others is void. The work I would look at to being worth the effort or not would be having to pay for a months sub, going in and transferring it over and getting paid for it, a few minutes worth. Yes not everyone will see it that way but you can't possibly think no one else would, the question is not will people, it is how many will. From both people who no longer play and people who do. If I was in the game and it came in with no restrictions and was tight on money in real life, I would likely look at ways I could earn xgold from others to be able to sell it to the buyers. It is my opinion that because it will be so much easier to do people will start offering xgold for dancers and strippers to perform in their rooms and things like that where people can earn xgold from others in the game using it to get numbers in their rooms. There is a big difference between having to buy someone xgold bundles the way it is now and just typing an amount and click and it's done. If someone wanted to employ 10 dancers for instance and pay each of them, think about how that could be done now to how it could be done if transfers come in. Then also think about how it will effect peoples thinking on doing that sort of thing if people are willing to buy the xgold you make with real money. Edited to add, I remember chatting with Gizmo in game once, I think it was the 3rd birthday for the game, he use to attend those parties then. I had been pushing for xgold transfers to be brought back in and asked him why he stopped it, it was actually in the once for a short time. He said because he wants countries where even just $20US is a lot of money to be able to play. You need to think about what he meant by that.

Lol, "a shit load of work" I have seen exaggerations in this forum before but that one takes the cake.

Wow, at least now you are starting to agree there would have to be things done to make it work, before you kept insisting all was needed is to allow xgold transfers for any amount and nothing else needed. The rest is just your normal dribble where you still have not answered the 2 questions I put to you. But yes it is useless going on with this because you can't see past the end of your nose. You need to read what has been said and understand what can happen before making such a comment. If you think I am saying people will buy it from 3DXChat and then sell it cheaper you most definitely have not read much at all. I will give you one very quick example that I gave earlier. Hundreds to possibly thousands of people like me no longer play but have tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of xgold still in our accounts. Others are still in the game that have the same and put little value on it. If xgold transfer was added in the game and someone offered me say $50 for my 100k I would do a months subscription and sell it to him. It doesn't matter what it cost me to get it in the 1st place, it was worth nothing before and still is if I just leave it there, and I would sell it to him. He would then have 100k he paid $50 for that can still sell cheaper than 3DX sells it for at say $75 and make a profit. Now that may not worry you or THX, but I am sure it would the devs. Again I will say what started all this and I am having to defend. They can't just add xgold transfers to the game with no limits or restrictions, it is not as simple as that. You guys that keep wanting to insist I am so stupid that I would believe that people would buy xgold from 3DXChat and then sell it for a cheaper price are a little insulting. Start looking past the end of your nose and realising what could be done before making such stupid comments.

You aren't even making an argument, let alone a straw man argument. I knew you wouldn't answer the 2 questions I put to you because you can't. The difference between 3DXChat and the other games you keep talking about is the other games added currency transfer very early in their existence. 3DXChat has had xgold since it started, 10 years of it growing in the game to where there would likely be over 50 million xgold in the game. That creates a real problem for them to add currency transfer now as it then enables what I have been talking about, people can then sell it. It then goes from being worth nothing in real life to being worth real money. If 3DXChat was to set up a buy back system like the others have, then they would find loads of people looking to cash in the xgold they have built up over the years, not all but lots would. So they can't offer a buyback system without taking all the xgold back first which would cause a hell of a backlash. So without them adding a buyback system it leaves it open for others to buy it and sell it. Yes you can buy it now from 3DXChat for other people in the game, but making it so you can just transfer it is far from the same thing. That opens the door for people to buy from others at a cheap price and sell it at a price cheaper than 3DXChat does. What part of that can't you understand. It is not ifs, it is when. If 3DXChat was to add currency transfer with no limits or fees or restrictions within days you will find people selling it at a cheaper price than 3DXChat sells it for. It's worth will be determined by the sellers and not 3DXChat. I will repeat what my argument is, it is not as easy as just saying they will add currency transfer, there is loads to be worked out and accounted for before they can. You will find they will likely do it with xgold fees applied to each transfer. That way the amount of xgold in the system declines and new xgold will need to be purchased from 3DXChat to bring it back up again.

OMG you are still failing to see my points, so I will ask it in question form. If 3DXChat adds xgold transfer in the game without any restrictions. * What will stop people from selling the xgold they have at a cheaper rate than 3DXChat sells it for? * What will stop people from buying it from others at say $50 per 100k xgold and then selling it for $70 per 100k xgold? If you think all 3DXChat has to do is lower their price then how far would they be prepared to go, if they lower it to $70 per 100k because that is what others are selling it for then the others would just start buying for $40 and selling for $60 and it would keep going down until it is not only not worth the effort for the others but also not worth the effort for 3DXChat. Yes the buying and selling will be done outside of the game and the delivery of the xgold will be done inside the game, but this kind of market has happened in many other games before successfully. You are looking at 3DXChat staying the way it is now, not much use for xgold. But if it is made so real money can made from it the game will change very quickly where xgold will be used for lots of things that the players set up themselves. Players that would look to setup as buyer/sellers would start things off themselves, making it so others follow in what they do to be able to get numbers into their rooms and such, using xgold to do it in things like prises and payment for services. If builders are able to sell their xgold to someone, even at half the price it sells for from 3DX, at least some would start creating rooms and things for rooms and selling them for xgold, then selling the xgold to the buyers, who then sell it to others at a higher price, but still cheaper than 3DX sells it for. As I have said before if you think people will not start buying and selling xgold for real money if it is made so easy to transfer it, you are dreaming.

Khallum pointed out that RLC buys back rays at 70%. So that is how RLC makes their cut from things sold in RLC. People make clothes and sell them for rays, then they take the rays they made from the sale and sell it back to RLC at 70% value. So the seller makes 70% of the sale and RLC makes 30%. There would be a problem for 3DXChat if they set a buyback price as there is huge amounts of xgold already in the game, people would be cashing it in and would cost 3DXChat a fortune. So for them to offer a buyback system they would have to take away all the xgold already in the game and that would cause a huge uproar. So it is likely if they were to start a system with xgold transfers they would add a fee on it. That way the amount of xgold in the game reduces every time someone uses the transfer or buys clothes or whatever. Eventually new xgold would need to be bought from 3DXChat at their price to replenish the amount of xgold in the game. The more the game starts using xgold, the more xgold will be needed in the game and the only way it can be added is from 3DXChat, so the devs make money from it that way. The less gold in the game as it gets used as the amount of gold in the game goes down, the harder it gets for the private sellers to do business. So the numbers of them doing business would fade and it would become more an economy like other games where people create and sell things for the game and then sell their xgold to the private buyer/sellers. Eventually 3DXChat would be able to start a buyback system of their own without loads of people looking to cash in.

@Khallum Troy I don't know why you think I am confused, I know the difference between in game transfers and real money exchange. I said in my last post that 3DX could offer transfers in the game with a fee applied to avoid having to worry about people taking profit away from them by buying and selling xgold. But I most definitely not confused about how it all works. Where have I said I would sell it at full value, 3DX charges $90 for 100k, I said I could sell it at $50 for 100k, that is $40 cheaper, not full value. So what if I already paid for it, it is useless to me now, why wouldn't I sell it. Although I know what you are trying to say it really doesn't apply to people who no longer play and have no use for the xgold they already have. But yes for people to get xgold the way it is now you have to pay 3DX for it in some form, be it buy it at their price or pay your sub and get the 300 each day. But if 3DX makes it so you can transfer xgold with no limitations that will change. If you think no one will take advantage of an opportunity to make real money from the game you are wrong. * 3DXChat enables xgold transfers with no limitations and no buyback system. * Within a very short time people that see the opportunity setup to buy and sell xgold. They could do it on ebay, make their own website, a number of different ways they could have it so if someone searched for buy or sell your 3DXChat xgold they would come up in the search. They would offer to buy at a much less price than 3DXChat sells for, lets say $50 per 100k. Then they would sell it at say $75 per 100k, $15 cheaper than 3DXChat sells it for. The word would very quickly get around in the game that you can buy xgold cheaper from these guys than you can from 3DXChat. And the word would also get around very quickly that you can sell your xgold to these guys. If you think there will be no one wanting to sell their xgold for real money you had better think again. * 3DXChat loses a lot of sales for xgold.

One thing 3DX could do to have it so they make money from adding xgold transfers is to have it cost to do so, like to give someone 10k it costs 12k. That way it wouldn't matter what went on with people selling it for real money, 3DX still get their cut. But then you still have the problem that the game is very likely to head in the direction of cashed up people having an advantage over those who can't afford it. And that in the past has been something 3DX has very much been against.

@THX Builder No impact, are you kidding me. The way things are now if someone wants to buy 100k xgold the only place they can is from 3DX at just under $90. If they add no limit xgold transfer I could sell mine for $50 as I said before and pay $10 for a months sub, go in the game and transfer my 100k to the buyer. I make $40 profit, the buyer saves $40 and 3DX loses a $90 sale. Sorry, but I didn't think I would have to explain that in such detail to show how 3DX could lose revenue. I thought that would be obvious. There are lots of people like me, no longer play but have loads of xgold still in their account. At least hundreds of people but more likely into the thousands. I would imagine there would be quite a few look to make a quick buck and do what I have just said. As for copping a ban, who cares, we no longer play anyway. Plus do you really think 3DX, who has trouble moderating even the simple things could really do anything to stop it. Other than place restrictions on what can be transferred as we have been suggesting. There are lots of things that have been put to a vote and show that everybody is in favour of having them, doesn't mean they will ever be added as history has shown. As I said in some of my previous posts, I am not against xgold transfers, I use to try push for it in here. There are plenty of good things it can add to the game. But it is one of those things where there is positives and negatives to adding it. If it was done where 3DX just made it so people could transfer any amount they wanted to whoever they wanted the negatives could outway the positives, especially if 3DX does not also add a buy back system of their own.

I will give you a little example of how complicated it can be to implement even just something to allow people to be tipped in the game. You couldn't have it that it could be any size tip because then it is very much still just allowing any size transfers to be possible. If you put a limit to the amount that could be tipped at say 100 gold without restricting how many times a person could give those tips then people will just do multiple tips. People would even make up bots for it to be done very quickly. 100 x 100 gold tips is 10k, so they would need to code in restrictions on the amount of tips that could be given. They would also have to make sure that coding could not be hacked and have people still be able to do it. As I have tried to point out to people, it is not as easy as saying ok we will allow transfers of xgold in the game, far from it.

It gets ne when someone says they aren't looking to be rude then are, especially when they are accusing someone of being out of touch when in fact they are doing that. Ok, let's say 3DX adds currency transfer with no restrictions, you can transfer as much as you want to anyone you want. I who yes has not played for quite a while but still has something like 100k xgold can offer my 100k for say half the price that 3DX sells it for, around $50, and when I find a buyer go back in and sell it. Hell I could even sell it on ebay. And that is just me, there are lots could do the same. How much would 3DX lose out on then. Then there are people who have made huge amounts of real money from other games selling the in game currency for real money, do you think they won't do the same in 3DX. So before you go accusing someone of being out of touch, which is an insult and being rude, do a little bit of thinking and get in touch yourself.

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@Khallum TroyHello again, thanks for letting us know more about how it works in RLC. So RLC has a buy back system, I think 3DX would have to do the same or someone else would set that up and 3DX would lose revenue. That is if a lot was set up in the game by players where xgold gets used. When I said people were saying it is a lot more competitive in 3DX I meant people in the 3DX environment itself, like you showed yourself when you talked about how people want big numbers in their rooms. I don't think people would start charging for room entry but I do think people would start paying people to get numbers up in their rooms, as you have stated above. One thing that has always amazed me in 3DX is the creativity of people, the ideas they come with. Put currency transfer into the game and I think a lot will be surprised with what people dream up to get numbers in their rooms. They will likely be fun things and designed to keep people there but will cost the owner quite a bit to do so. I would not be against currency transfer and even use to try push for it, I am just trying to let people know why it hasn't been added in the past and that it is not as simple as people seem to think. If done wrong it could completely change the game and have it so people with money to burn have a huge advantage, and that is what I think the devs don't want.

@Khallum Troy I'm a little confused with the currency you mentioned that RLC uses, you said they use ray but then speak about spokes. Is spoke another name for ray or is ray like so many spokes? Not meaning to be picky, just want to know. Does RLC have a buy back system, like buying back spokes for a bit less than they sell them for? I know people make real money in RLC, just want to know how they do. From what I understand they don't have brothels in RLC like people set up in 3DX, if so then wouldn't it be more likely that 3DX could end up with pimps than RLC. Which is really not the problem but just thought I would mention it. I have only had a brief look at RLC a long time ago and spoken with different people who went there often. One thing that was mentioned often is that RLC is no where near as competitive as 3DX. Where I see possible problems is people creating things in the game where xgold starts to get used to pay for things, brothels are just one example. Other things would be ways people would come up with to make their room more popular and get to the top of the list. I think you would find people finding lots of ways to make xgold in the game, some would likely even offer it just to keep you in their rooms, like maybe competitions where xgold is a prize or just paying people to dance. That was a concern that was brought up before when I use to try getting currency exchange added. If it does go that way you will then have people finding ways to buy and sell it.

I actually suggested that once, I think I said 3k a day. But someone pointed out that people could setup an account just to get gold and sell the account with heaps of gold. For example: A player creates an account and gets say 3 prostitutes to work for him. Each one gives him 1k a day for 30 days. He pays them at the end of the month for the 30k. Thats 90k in his account. He sells that account with the 90k in it. Not as bad as having no restrictions but could still be abused. Especially if the game goes in the direction where having Gold is an advantage, which it likely would. From memory I suggested also putting a limit on how much each person could receive each day, but someone also pointed out there was also something wrong with that, I can't remember what that was though. Looking at the prices of things now, if you could even just give 500 gold a day to another player then people could recommend a friend, get a month free on their main account and get a second account for a month with 10k gold for $9. They could do that every month and transfer the 10k to their main account. As I said there are a lot of things they would have to look in to. Plus now I understand why so many assholes had multiple accounts.

I agree with you that it would be great if people could be tipped in the game, I actually use to push for that in this forum. What I have said is what was pointed out to me in those threads where I tried to push for tipping. If 3DX makes it so you can transfer gold to another player then they will no longer have that control over the Gold in the game. If a player can transfer gold in the game then they can sell it. When someone pays real money for it then all they have to do is transfer it in the game. Even if there was caps put on the amount they would just do multiple transfers. It is not just a matter of making it so a player can transfer gold to any other player, far from it. It needs to be well worked out so it doesn't get abused.