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#41 DarkFairy

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:51 AM

What do you want to know, uncle Rob will try his best to answer any question.


I’m interested in everyone’s thoughts on the subject matter. It’s not about specific questions although I have asked some along the way if you’d like to check back. Your choice if you want to pick up any of them to comment.

For you Rob, perhaps as you appear to want to identify as a Troll? or at least accept it readily when others label you as that. I’m not sure which it is honestly. It would be interesting to know what you consider trolling in the context of this community and what isn’t. It would also be interesting to know what you get out of it or why you do it? Is it for reasons like mine below?

I’ll use myself as an example to avoid appearing to bait or attack anyone else. This isn’t about singling out Rob, or anyone in fact, just hoping his question was genuine and we can open more discourse here.

Xandi made a very good point that there are levels, let’s start with that.

Some trolling is a little lighthearted and gently poking fun without being unpleasant. Some is in the middle ground and purposefully disruptive of discussion or needling/baiting whilst trying to appear perfectly reasonable, and some is directly antagonistic or personal.

Might I suggest my thread about Simon was done like the first type, with the intent of gently poking fun and to deflect what was a direct personal attack into something more light hearted. People may disagree. By contrast my conversation with Mar in another thread and other things i’ve posted have been more like the second type. I’ve avoided the third type because it’s not my style.

I’ll talk about why I have done what i’ve done a little bit, perhaps it will help people open up?

The lighter side of trolling to me is just how my humour works, sarcastic. I try not to be purely nasty with it.

The middle ground is purposeful, I do it to make a point. That doesn’t make me any better than those i’m making a point about. In using the same tactics i’m as bad as they are and honestly apart from the occasional smirk it doesn’t make me feel very good about myself. I’m ok with that, i’m used to that so it doesn’t bother me. There’s lots to talk about with this second type I think but let’s come back to that in future.

The third type I won’t do, if you have to resort to personal attacks on someone else, especially sustained and continuous then you’re being a bully. On the other side of that, if you react to bullies in the way they behave then you’ve given them control of the conflict. This type of course is also sanctioned against in the rules. It was interesting that there appears to be a feeling the report system does not work, or was that simply a comment that some don’t people don’t care about being sanctioned?

Please everyone feel free to comment, can we set aside type 2 and 3 trolling for a little while to talk about it?
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Posted 24 January 2019 - 10:08 AM

I would love to see this kind of commitment from the troll task force when real baiting and harassment is happening. Unfortunately, this has not been the case so far.


You are right, and that needs to change. You also mentioned recently to try and not take it too seriously either. I also agree with that too. There are other things to talk about and do here on forums. I can admit, the worst and most abusive trolls on this forum are not like that constantly. Even they can find other things to do here, and that might distract and create some confusion to what they are at their core. Not saying at all that is any sort of deception on their part by any means. As an example, I have seen documentaries about serial killers in prison, complete monsters at their core, but they have hobbies while incarcerated such as painting, writing poetry and religious community service. Bad people can not be bad all of the time.


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Posted 24 January 2019 - 11:13 AM

I think you’ll find it’s ‘couldn’t care less’ :-)

Seriously I think the small community in 3dxChat makes in vulnerable to trolls. I suspect our trolls wouldn’t last five minutes in a bigger community, and not because of moderation. They’d bottle it and run for cover. That said there’s no reason why the 3dxChat community should tolerate trolling and bullying.

Doesn’t quite follow the thread, I know, but needs to be said.
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Posted 24 January 2019 - 11:15 AM

sorry if that wasnt what you were looking for, i could have went in depth with it but honestly, i have not had my coffee and the victim complex that some have here is a bit much for this early in the morning.


That’s level three trolling - making accusations.

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 12:02 PM

I suspect our trolls wouldn’t last five minutes in a bigger community, and not because of moderation. 

If you mean bigger community as in out in society living life, where if they behaved this way and spoke this way they would be put in their place, yes. Why do you think they spend most of their time here and on the game in anonymity. That was explained in the OP's video and is also something I like to call common sense.



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Posted 24 January 2019 - 12:03 PM

sorry if that wasnt what you were looking for, i could have went in depth with it but honestly, i have not had my coffee and the victim complex that some have here is a bit much for this early in the morning.


I appreciate the contribution, no requirements of content as long as it furthers the discussion which it mostly did, so thanks. Your perspective is interesting. Come back to it with coffee if you want to expand it.

My post was long winded enough i’ll let others comment a while before writing much more.

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 12:18 PM

Coffee is a must, will be too busy today to contribute anything useful. But I bid you all a good day.

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 12:40 PM

That’s level three trolling - making accusations.

 

What?? ROFL Level 3 Trolling im guessing is tha most severe, how is what he said severe? Some peeps do have victim mentalities here and he could have been talking about anyone. Some people have over inflated egos and sex drives and others are Dram Queens both Male and Female. Some peeps are over emotional and plain nasty and some peeps one ah met Yesterday will igg you when they cant have sex with you and gladly pm you and let you know before igging you. Tha game is full of fujjed in tha head peeps or am ah now Level 3 Trolling, besides that's just a tag anyways, "Troll" is just a word gets over used like "Racist" and unless there are real penalties enforced by tha Devs for "real abusive" behaviour yes abusive hateful peeps then this discussion will go on foever.

 

Ah consider Level3 abuse to be foul language at an individual to demean them, racist remarks, sexist remarks, spreading lies, bullying, stalking, rape rooms, animal abuse, and ah could go on but this is mah list and yours might be a lot different to include perhaps not agreeing with you, who knows ah only guess. Kisses and have a soopa fun time  :)



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Posted 24 January 2019 - 01:41 PM

I would love to see this kind of commitment from the troll task force when real baiting and harassment is happening. Unfortunately, this has not been the case so far.

No task force but simply targeting one user is against the forum rules and that's exactly what has happened on this and other threads.  When it has happened before no matter who it was, I have said something as it's not right.

 

Back to the topic

 

 

You are right here, but the evdence suggests that he might be correct. He is allowed to get away with it. If he isn't being allowed then he is showing serious disrespect to Gizmo by flouting the rules and then saying he couldn't care less (there's something in me that insists I correct the grammar used) about reports and rules.

 

I'm not sure that it is right to focus on just the one person, the fundamental point being that if the community rules don't apply to everybody and they aren't applied consistently and transparently then there's not really any point in having them at all. The argument that this is just a game doesn't wash, we are customers we are entitled to a reasonable standard of service. Permitting bullying is not a reasonable standard of service, end of.

 

If you go take a look at 'The Moderating Team' link it's clear that Gizmo is running the show on his own and has been for some time. It's possible to read quite a lot in to that, and I'm not going to say it. I think people can draw their own conclusions.

You're doing exactly what you've been complaining about.

 

I’m interested in everyone’s thoughts on the subject matter. It’s not about specific questions although I have asked some along the way if you’d like to check back. Your choice if you want to pick up any of them to comment.

For you Rob, perhaps as you appear to want to identify as a Troll? or at least accept it readily when others label you as that. I’m not sure which it is honestly. It would be interesting to know what you consider trolling in the context of this community and what isn’t. It would also be interesting to know what you get out of it or why you do it? Is it for reasons like mine below?

I’ll use myself as an example to avoid appearing to bait or attack anyone else. This isn’t about singling out Rob, or anyone in fact, just hoping his question was genuine and we can open more discourse here.

Xandi made a very good point that there are levels, let’s start with that.

Some trolling is a little lighthearted and gently poking fun without being unpleasant. Some is in the middle ground and purposefully disruptive of discussion or needling/baiting whilst trying to appear perfectly reasonable, and some is directly antagonistic or personal.

Might I suggest my thread about Simon was done like the first type, with the intent of gently poking fun and to deflect what was a direct personal attack into something more light hearted. People may disagree. By contrast my conversation with Mar in another thread and other things i’ve posted have been more like the second type. I’ve avoided the third type because it’s not my style.

I’ll talk about why I have done what i’ve done a little bit, perhaps it will help people open up?

The lighter side of trolling to me is just how my humour works, sarcastic. I try not to be purely nasty with it.

The middle ground is purposeful, I do it to make a point. That doesn’t make me any better than those i’m making a point about. In using the same tactics i’m as bad as they are and honestly apart from the occasional smirk it doesn’t make me feel very good about myself. I’m ok with that, i’m used to that so it doesn’t bother me. There’s lots to talk about with this second type I think but let’s come back to that in future.

The third type I won’t do, if you have to resort to personal attacks on someone else, especially sustained and continuous then you’re being a bully. On the other side of that, if you react to bullies in the way they behave then you’ve given them control of the conflict. This type of course is also sanctioned against in the rules. It was interesting that there appears to be a feeling the report system does not work, or was that simply a comment that some don’t people don’t care about being sanctioned?

Please everyone feel free to comment, can we set aside type 2 and 3 trolling for a little while to talk about it?

You can clearly see the thoughts and how this thread has gone and yes it is singling out one person has for a while now which is doing exactly what they're complaining he's been doing in a masked form of harassment.

 

You are right, and that needs to change. You also mentioned recently to try and not take it too seriously either. I also agree with that too. There are other things to talk about and do here on forums. I can admit, the worst and most abusive trolls on this forum are not like that constantly. Even they can find other things to do here, and that might distract and create some confusion to what they are at their core. Not saying at all that is any sort of deception on their part by any means. As an example, I have seen documentaries about serial killers in prison, complete monsters at their core, but they have hobbies while incarcerated such as painting, writing poetry and religious community service. Bad people can not be bad all of the time.

Then lead by example and make the change to something better instead of continuing to go after one person and those considered followers.

 

I think you’ll find it’s ‘couldn’t care less’ :-)

Seriously I think the small community in 3dxChat makes in vulnerable to trolls. I suspect our trolls wouldn’t last five minutes in a bigger community, and not because of moderation. They’d bottle it and run for cover. That said there’s no reason why the 3dxChat community should tolerate trolling and bullying.

Doesn’t quite follow the thread, I know, but needs to be said.

You're doing exactly what you're complaining about.  I run forums, I'm a mod on several and part of many forums.  I have no issue with them and yes, when things get out of hand action is taken on the user(s).

 

That’s level three trolling - making accusations.

You're been doing the same exact thing.

 

If you mean bigger community as in out in society living life, where if they behaved this way and spoke this way they would be put in their place, yes. Why do you think they spend most of their time here and on the game in anonymity. That was explained in the OP's video and is also something I like to call common sense.

As I stated above, I'm on several larger forums and have no issues with them because they don't continue to target people as it is being done on here and no once you're banned on there you sure as hell can't get back on no matter how many times you change your IP address.  I am exactly like this in real, I speak up when I see things going wrong, I've never been put in my place, why because there is no reason to.  I'm not a keyboard warrior, don't need to be.  I don't spend most of my time on here, even if I'm logged in on the game, I'm doing countless other things as it's minimized mostly and forget I'm even logged in half the time.

By continuing what you're doing, you are no better than what you claim he's doing.  Making it a mission to continue to attack one person makes you no better than the person you're attacking.  Lead the change and move forward to make the forum a better place instead of keeping it going in this direction.  Look at everything on this thread, targeting of one person then a few others because of them stating it's against the rules to continue to do it and doing exactly the opposite of what you claim should actually be done to make the forums positive.  Instead of taking harassment of one user and a few others to every thread that is being created or being commented on.  At this point in time, I'd recommend that Gizmo put a hold on posting on the forum, give it a good clean up and then watch how things go once posting is back on.


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Posted 24 January 2019 - 02:44 PM

Quote trolling again?



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Posted 24 January 2019 - 03:32 PM

Did Mar_Mohan actually read all my posts or just pick out the bits that fitted her world view? My point was that the rules should apply to all and be enforced consistently and transparently otherwise they aren’t worth having.

Specifically the rules here are applied inconsistently, without transparency resulting in the mess we have on the forums and in wc.

I’ll make no mention of an individual who appears to get away with bullying, personal attacks, homophobia, gender shaming amongst other things. It’s no surprising that a little stick is directed in that direction from time time. Like if you claim to be a king of the trolls thenit’s only reasonable to assume that somebody will call your bluff.

I think there’s a level four to trolling, and that is for the really nasty stuff above, particularly if it involves bullying.
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Posted 24 January 2019 - 03:36 PM

I should have included that most people are self aware enough to recognise when a bit of not quite so gentle micky taking turns in to something else.

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 04:06 PM

Sounds like you know quite a bit about this trolling business, that might explain your expertise in baiting. Really yall go too far with this stuff at times and it becomes a constant reoccurrence of events. Pretending you dont know what your actions will entail, claiming ignorance and innocence does not take away what has been going on. In time I wish peace for all who cannot move on in this situation.

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 04:57 PM

Here is a level 4, go fuck yourself ;)


Not so easy without an alt. Maybe rather crowded for other people.

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 05:09 PM

You really seem to bear a grudge. She must have really upset you, the way you keep going on about her.

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 05:27 PM

Ok, back later. Im sure you gentleman will have about 50 lil clever retorts. Ok, i lied, not clever. Gave too much credit, my bad

Hey, retorts for retards, sounds like a new UN program

 

Your common troll pattern. No gentleman in this thread.



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Posted 24 January 2019 - 05:34 PM

Btw, xandi and i was trying to think of a name for you , fake lesbian wifey and simons boy band. Leaning towards back door boys, what do you think?

 

Again your common troll pattern and it seems Xandi and Toxic totally agree with you to keep this going. I would really rethink your positions!

 

Keep on calling all the women who stand up against you fakes. Something like that is truly sexist. 



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Posted 24 January 2019 - 05:44 PM

The comedy show continues. I wish they would at least get more creative. When you use the same two or three insults over 100 times they very much begin to lose their impact. They need to expand their group too, seeing the same two people, and nobody else, obediently liking posts lacks depth and variety. But there is always room for improvement, even if the amount of time left to do it is quickly becoming a serious concern.

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 05:57 PM

There was one good point made though, I truly have spent too much time on forums this afternoon, but thankfully I had nothing else to do, was able to lay around in this bed and relax, even have a yummy bowl of ice cream. But I will respect the nudge for me to exit for tonight. How would he say? I don’t want anyone to have a nervous breakdown. Looking forward to going home soon. Good night sweeties.

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 06:05 PM

Troll -  One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

 

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I dont get the mentality..   and I'm glad I dont.

 

Look at you, all relatively intelligent people bitching at each other all the time... why?

 

For amusement? ...  really?  you get off by upsetting people?  What a miserable life you must lead to find happiness on others sadness.

 

Last word syndrone?   you cant let it go? you just cant put people on iggy to have peace of mind...  no you have to have last word and keep the shit going...   

 

"You do it, so I'm going to do it " mentality...   aka school playground.   

 

And then put alts in the mix, to stir the pot some more!

 

Stop it.  You are all adults on an adult site!.   Either ignore each other or  stop it and make up.   Just stop the nastiness.


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