Poses

[Aliviax]

5 hours ago, AceXx said:

lol i have see this and thank you Alivia , well i'm still gonna stick to my own opinion on it as a hole, it might be a useful feature but still should be approved from the devs when a pose is created.

 

Do devs approve rooms created on world editor ? No so why they approve on pose editor lol 

Pose editor is the tool that will allow players create their dream poses be it 3 somes- solos -bdsm ish- lesbian whatever ...

The poses ppl will create with pose editor will be mostly in those ppl rooms so in anycase you like the pose u dont like ..u just dont visit the room same if u dont like any room ..u just dont go there but ...ppl can create a platform and love it for whatever reason ...we choose if we visit X room same with pose we will chose if we wanna use that cusatom pose ..

If you like something we rest ppl dont matter  

[Xizi]

3 minutes ago, Aliviax said:

The poses ppl will create with pose editor will be mostly in those ppl rooms so in anycase you like the pose u dont like ..u just dont visit the room same if u dont like any room ..u just dont go there but ...ppl can create a platform and love it for whatever reason ...we choose if we visit X room same with pose we will chose if we wanna use that cusatom pose ..

Why are you so sure that it's going to work this way? I never seen devs saying that user made poses will be usable only in these users' rooms. Actually, I did not see any information about how exactly pose editor going to work. If I missed something – please show me where devs did give this information.

[Aliviax]

1 minute ago, Xizl said:

Why are you so sure that it's going to work this way? I never seen devs saying that user made poses will be usable only in these users' rooms. Actually, I did not see any information about how exactly pose editor going to work. If I missed something – please show me where devs did give this information.

well i mean for example ..lets say xizi makes a pose with pose editor ...the file of that new pose u only will have it unless u have shared it .

I go by that logic 

[Tsela]

9 hours ago, AceXx said:

lol i have see this and thank you Alivia , well i'm still gonna stick to my own opinion on it as a hole, it might be a useful feature but still should be approved from the devs when a pose is created.

No it doesn't have to be approved by the devs. Same as with rooms created, and opened by people who made them.

Anyway, you got proof there, even if nobody is here to prove you something that we all know about anyway. But Alivia was kind enough to find stuff for yet another guy who has no clue what we are talking about and can't use a search function about something we were through time and time again. So do your research maybe next time.

Edited April 19, 2020 by Tsela

[Xizi]

We all have no idea how pose editor going to work when/if it will be released. Maybe poses will be attached to room's objects and will be downloaded as a part of the room. Maybe poses will be just kept on your pc like worlds and they will be transferred to your partner so you both can see them. Maybe we going to send poses to devs to be approved and if they will approve them - poses will be added to the game for all users in next update. Or maybe they will do it some other way. No one of us knows it for sure, right?

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

1 hour ago, Xizl said:

We all have no idea how pose editor going to work when/if it will be released. Maybe poses will be attached to room's objects and will be downloaded as a part of the room. Maybe poses will be just kept on your pc like worlds and they will be transferred to your partner so you both can see them. Maybe we going to send poses to devs to be approved and if they will approve them - poses will be added to the game for all users in next update. Or maybe they will do it some other way. No one of us knows it for sure, right?

Right. The developers may stop working on it.

[Xizi]

2 minutes ago, ☙𝔼𝕩❧ said:

Right. The developers may stop working on it.

Yeah. It's possible too. I would be pretty much dissapointed. 

[AceXx]

8 hours ago, Tsela said:

No it doesn't have to be approved by the devs. Same as with rooms created, and opened by people who made them.

Anyway, you got proof there, even if nobody is here to prove you something that we all know about anyway. But Alivia was kind enough to find stuff for yet another guy who has no clue what we are talking about and can't use a search function about something we were through time and time again. So do your research maybe next time.

oh i surely have a clue on whats being talked about, ain't blind and yes Alivia was kind enough to find it cause hey i don't live on this forum like a lot of others might do for that example you Tsela you seem to live on here trying to look like the "i know everything" guy on here, oh and i don't pay attention to things that don't seem to happen anytime soon even if its promised or not, so as of this stop quoting me, have said what i wanted to say and feel i even waste my time now at this point cause none of us gets anything out of fighting over things like this, oh yes one last thing don't tell me what to do Tsela cause i can use this search function just fine, just didn't want to waste my time on it.

[THX]

22 hours ago, Xizl said:

What makes you think so? 3dxchat has a small player base. I am pretty sure it's less than 20.000 active accounts. Maybe less than 15.000. Maybe even less than 10.000 tho prolly not. 

In a peak online time, on the weekends in the evening/beginning of the night it's almost never more than 1.000 people online in all user made rooms together. Often even less. Plus maybe 100 in a official rooms. And some are just hanging out with friends, building in editor, fucking in privates, just staying afk. Anyway, even in most populated hours - it's 1500-2000 people online in total, not more. And it's now, quarantine times.

How much of 3dxchat community building? Most people I meet using either basic room or one of the shared rooms. Only a small percentage really building.

And now clothes and poses editors.

First, it seems like harder work, even making clothes. Depends of course on how devs will (if they will) make these editors, but still. Majority of people will not even bother to try to understand how cloth editor works. Most people will end making something far from good and many of them will understand that it's no use to even trying to send it for approval. Some will improve, others will drop. 

And pose editor? Even more harder. Probably only a very little amount of players really going to bother themselves with learning how to work with it. 

Such a system, where devs approve poses/clothes, already exists and getting used in Achat. 

I don't think so. I came to 3dxchat in the end of 2018 and, even before corona's outbreak and somewhat increasing online because of it, I saw how online of the game getting bigger. In a little more than a year it's like x1.5 more players than I used to see when I just came to the game in the end of 2018.

But please don't take it like I am against clothes/poses editors. I want them myself. But without shops and economics. I like the atmosphere of equality that exists in 3dxchat and I don't want it ruined.

 

 

I hear what you are saying here. But consider this. I'll use a known element to try and explain.

In RLC for example, anyone can design clothing but only a fraction do.. some pump an outit or two out per day.  Let's say out of their current paying user base of between 25,000 and 50,000 100 actually create clothes. Let's say of that hundred they create 300 items per week.  Some making one item a week and others making several. I would say this is a low ball estimate. That means 300 outfits per week or around 1200 a month.  If outfits  equal 2-3 pieces (top and bottom, maybe undergarments) that number swells to upwards of 3600 per month. UV has a staff of around 15 -20. They could never keep up.

Now let's say in 3dX 30 do the same. Let's say 30 make 100 outfits per week or 400 per month. As most who make clothes prefer to make complete outfits, shirt, pants at least and maybe undergarments too, that number grows to over a 1000 things to be quality controlled a month.  There is no way they could keep up with the volume in 3DX anymore than with world editor.

I understand some don't like the idea of no official quality control, but for anyone that left cause it bugged them, 3DX would gain  I'd bet 7 new members who want such features.

It's the lack of these features that keeps 3DX in the minor leagues compared to RLC and Second Life. 

 

I suspect same would occur with a pose editor but on a smaller scale.  I suspect just like current poses some will be better than others.  Some may even use MOCAP to make poses instead. One thing is certain, just as Rochi improved 3DX with mods, people will figure out things unthought of if given the ability. Rember some argued against Rochi's mod, even though it made obvious improvements still not instituted.

Edited April 19, 2020 by THX

[Tsela]

4 hours ago, AceXx said:

Tsela cause i can use this search function just fine, just didn't want to waste my time on it.

And I didn't want to waste my time searching it for you, if you can't do it yourself. People usually search for something instead of expecting everybody else to feed them with a spoon.

Alivia was nice to take her time and do the job for you, but otherwise,if you have no clue, or if you don't believe what others are saying, you should search for stuff yourself. Nobody needs to prove anything over and over again every time a new guy jumps online and asks for a proof without looking it up.

Edited April 19, 2020 by Tsela

[AceXx]

7 minutes ago, Tsela said:

And I didn't want to waste my time searching it for you, if you can't do it yourself. People usually search for something instead of expecting everybody else to feed them with a spoon.

Alivia was nice to take her time and do the job for you, but otherwise,if you have no clue, or if you don't believe what others are saying, you should search for stuff yourself. Nobody needs to prove anything over and over again every time a new guy jumps online and asks for a proof without looking it up.

i honestly don't care what you wanted to waste your time on and what you don't want to waste it on, right now your honestly just being a pain in the ass towards me, i said in my last post don't quote me again and what the fuck do you do, so lets just drop this right here and now and you leave me the hell alone okay can that like get shived into the thick skull you seem to have? cause i'm tired of wasting my time on you.

[Tsela]

2 minutes ago, AceXx said:

i honestly don't care what you wanted to waste your time on and what you don't want to waste it on, right now your honestly just being a pain in the ass towards me, i said in my last post don't quote me again and what the fuck do you do, so lets just drop this right here and now and you leave me the hell alone okay can that like get shived into the thick skull you seem to have? cause i'm tired of wasting my time on you.

Well you are the one wasting everybody's time asking for proofs without searching. That was on you buddy. Don't throw a fit now.. Just breathe

Edited April 19, 2020 by Tsela

[AceXx]

1 minute ago, Tsela said:

Well you are the one wasting everybody's time asking for proofs without searching. That was on you buddy. Don't throw a fit now.. Just breathe

did i waste anybody's time? didn't ask Alivia to find it so she did it by herself and that was nice of her, compared to you who seems to be mad or something about 3dx no matter where i have seen you write stuff, i somehow say one thing and you act pissed or something, i asked for it didn't say it should be found cause i would still have the opinion no matter what on the topic, also again don't tell me what to do i breath just fine.

So one last time leave me alone and DON'T Quote me again and move on okay.

[Tsela]

2 minutes ago, AceXx said:

did i waste anybody's time? didn't ask Alivia to find it so she did it by herself and that was nice of her, compared to you who seems to be mad or something about 3dx no matter where i have seen you write stuff, i somehow say one thing and you act pissed or something, i asked for it didn't say it should be found cause i would still have the opinion no matter what on the topic, also again don't tell me what to do i breath just fine.

So one last time leave me alone and DON'T Quote me again and move on okay.

No. You asked me, to find it for you instead, until people had enough and dug around to quote yet for another wannabe asking for proof. But forget it.

Breathe man... breathe.

Edited April 19, 2020 by Tsela

[AceXx]

53 minutes ago, Tsela said:

No. You asked me, to find it for you instead, until people had enough and dug around to quote yet for another wannabe asking for proof. But forget it.

Breathe man... breathe.

okay so i want you to really think about what you use of words, cause calling someone like me a wannabe just because i asked for it does not mean i'm a wannabe, if i was a wannabe, cause if i was i would try to be like someone else or fit in with the group, which i'm clearly not trying to do cause i'm myself.

And your saying people when it was just one person aka Alivia and she had not even spoken in this topic before that.

I'm done.

Ps: try to look up words before using them.

[Xizi]

2 hours ago, THX said:

 

I hear what you are saying here. But consider this. I'll use a known element to try and explain.

In RLC for example, anyone can design clothing but only a fraction do.. some pump an outit or two out per day.  Let's say out of their current paying user base of between 25,000 and 50,000 100 actually create clothes. Let's say of that hundred they create 300 items per week.  Some making one item a week and others making several. I would say this is a low ball estimate. That means 300 outfits per week or around 1200 a month.  If outfits  equal 2-3 pieces (top and bottom, maybe undergarments) that number swells to upwards of 3600 per month. UV has a staff of around 15 -20. They could never keep up.

Now let's say in 3dX 30 do the same. Let's say 30 make 100 outfits per week or 400 per month. As most who make clothes prefer to make complete outfits, shirt, pants at least and maybe undergarments too, that number grows to over a 1000 things to be quality controlled a month.  There is no way they could keep up with the volume in 3DX anymore than with world editor.

I understand some don't like the idea of no official quality control, but for anyone that left cause it bugged them, 3DX would gain  I'd bet 7 new members who want such features.

It's the lack of these features that keeps 3DX in the minor leagues compared to RLC and Second Life. 

 

I suspect same would occur with a pose editor but on a smaller scale.  I suspect just like current poses some will be better than others.  Some may even use MOCAP to make poses instead. One thing is certain, just as Rochi improved 3DX with mods, people will figure out things unthought of if given the ability. Rember some argued against Rochi's mod, even though it made obvious improvements still not instituted.

I never really played RLC but if I understand from this and some other your posts:

1. Clothes in RLC does not require quality control.

2. You can make money selling them to others. At least ingame currency.

Right? 

Why I am asking... Because both this points obviously affecting the clothes production.

If person knows that clothes they will make need to go through quality control – there is a big chance that they will drop the idea at the start/in the process if they are not confident enough in their skills.

And if person can't sell their clothes and has no financial motivation - there is also significantly less chance that they will be working on clothes or poses or whatever.

I am talking about clothes, but I guess with poses it would be kind of the same. Just even less people who would be ready to do it in a first place.

So the numbers that we will potentionally see in 3dxchat may differ very much from the ones you predicting, basing it on RLC data. 

[THX]

2 hours ago, Xizl said:

I never really played RLC but if I understand from this and some other your posts:

1. Clothes in RLC does not require quality control.

2. You can make money selling them to others. At least ingame currency.

Right? 

Why I am asking... Because both this points obviously affecting the clothes production.

If person knows that clothes they will make need to go through quality control – there is a big chance that they will drop the idea at the start/in the process if they are not confident enough in their skills.

And if person can't sell their clothes and has no financial motivation - there is also significantly less chance that they will be working on clothes or poses or whatever.

I am talking about clothes, but I guess with poses it would be kind of the same. Just even less people who would be ready to do it in a first place.

So the numbers that we will potentionally see in 3dxchat may differ very much from the ones you predicting, basing it on RLC data. 

 

 

Yes, you can make money there making clothes and I agree that is a factor in creation volume.The Economy there though acts as a quality control. I mean, if you wanna make money, it has to be good enough to buy right?  And yes, it does stimulate production. (A reason I'd like to see even an xgold economy based on fake money. But that is for another discussion.)

You may bring up the point though that "there is no economy to quality control here and I don't want one, so then what?'

I would respond with, "the process would be similar. Just as certain poses or clothing isn't used now (like the garbage bag dress and coat), same would happen with all things made like WE. What is liked will be used, what isn't liked won't be.

The thing about creating stuff is that it is a ton of fun, like the WE is. There will be those who prefer to build, those who prefer to make clothes and those who prefer to make poses - and even even larger number that don't want to do any of that..  3DX isn't getting significant  numbers from  RLC to stay for example. because of this They bore easily here and go back. More might stay if there were more thing to do. Many want a newer world, but they also want at least what they have or more.

Who knows if the Devs will be able to ever make a user friendly Pose Editor, but I know they can make a user friendly clothing editor.

Edited April 20, 2020 by THX

[Manyasha]

You're always writing about pose and dress editors, you want them all the time, but have you thought about how it should work? What engine should be in these editors to let you create it all for the game? Have you seen that in other games? Such editors will not be able to be part of the game, it will anyway be a separate application, because they will be more complicated than the world editor!!!So think about what you write and what you ask, it doesn't always make sense. So what is it that prevents you from creating poses and clothes now? You have everything!!! 3Ds MAX, Zbrush, Blender, Marvelous Designer, 3DCoat, Photoshop, Substance Painter. What are you sitting there? Go! Do poses and clothes!

[Aliviax]

1 hour ago, Manyasha said:

You're always writing about pose and dress editors, you want them all the time, but have you thought about how it should work? What engine should be in these editors to let you create it all for the game? Have you seen that in other games? Such editors will not be able to be part of the game, it will anyway be a separate application, because they will be more complicated than the world editor!!!So think about what you write and what you ask, it doesn't always make sense. So what is it that prevents you from creating poses and clothes now? You have everything!!! 3Ds MAX, Zbrush, Blender, Marvelous Designer, 3DCoat, Photoshop, Substance Painter. What are you sitting there? Go! Do poses and clothes!

well For 3dxchat only 3Dsmax works for poses  and its a paying software that you need to have a specific licence so you make projects for a game ...comercial use licence more expensive   blender ofc its free but so far if u import bipe  u will lose data of the bones and bones will be wrong or animation will look wrong when imported .

So If i understand what comunity is saying is ...they want to create with the tool Gizmo has said openly in forum they will create .

i mean Gizmo was the one said they will make a pose editor ...so you cant blame comunity asking where it is haha 

Now to speak personaly i preffer stay on blender since our blender comunity supports that blender is the future  hehehe

Btw congratz on the new hairstyle i like it very much  

Edited April 20, 2020 by Aliviax

[Aliviax]

Also those stuff where teasers from the devs 

and if you ask me i found them realy cool cause it will allow players play with hair with clothes and make some unique styles 

ps those arent hair and cloth editor lets call them hair tweacker and cloth tweacker  

 

 

[THX]

5 hours ago, Manyasha said:

You're always writing about pose and dress editors, you want them all the time, but have you thought about how it should work? What engine should be in these editors to let you create it all for the game? Have you seen that in other games? Such editors will not be able to be part of the game, it will anyway be a separate application, because they will be more complicated than the world editor!!!So think about what you write and what you ask, it doesn't always make sense. So what is it that prevents you from creating poses and clothes now? You have everything!!! 3Ds MAX, Zbrush, Blender, Marvelous Designer, 3DCoat, Photoshop, Substance Painter. What are you sitting there? Go! Do poses and clothes!

 

If you are referring to me, I have already posted screenshots of a working in game, in Unity, Clothing Editor I and many others have used in the Upcoming Updates thread page 112.  I recommend you look at it.  I even posted most of the steps. No, a in game texture editor  for premade meshes doesn't need anything more than Photoshop or free Gimp. Mesh creation is a different story, but I imagine also possible.

As for a Pose Editor, there are several ways one could be made in game.  Why not shoot Gizmo an email and ask him about what he was considering over a year ago?

Edited April 20, 2020 by THX

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

4 hours ago, Manyasha said:

but have you thought about how it should work? What engine should be in these editors to let you create it all for the game? Have you seen that in other games? Such editors will not be able to be part of the game, it will anyway be a separate application, because they will be more complicated than the world editor!!!

I have seen it in other game, that is why i asked for this long time ago. This tool is inside the game client.

It works just fine.

Edited April 20, 2020 by ☙𝔼𝕩❧

[Aliviax]

31 minutes ago, ☙𝔼𝕩❧ said:

I have seen it in other game, that is why i asked for this long time ago. This tool is inside the game client.

It works just fine.

imagine how awesome 3dxchat will be  with this 2 features  

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

36 minutes ago, Aliviax said:

imagine how awesome 3dxchat will be  with this 2 features  

I can't until I see it. I am not a dreamer for a long time.

Edited April 20, 2020 by ☙𝔼𝕩❧

[MeiLing]

Imagine how many crappy stuffs all around the game? Be serious.