X Gold Transfer Between 3dxchat Members

[SusanLouisa]

35 minutes ago, ☙𝔼𝕩❧ said:

Not because of the numbers of years. Because I saw how it was going many times at many places. There are few ways to get xGold and buying gold is just one of them. While users have not only purchase, here will not be any real paid sex. Technically.

You think you are only one that has played on many games for many years? Think I am not aware of how to get gold? Have you ever worked in business?  International law? I am not pointing this issue out based on in game experience.  I have worked internationally for many years.  If you are found with a porn magazine in some countries there will be beyond harsh consequences and that is not having rl sex either.  I am tired of trying to explain things to you because you refuse to listen.  I have been accused of many things in this thread.  Gizmo and COMPANY will do what is best for the COMPANY whether you want them to or not.  This is not just a GAME.  It is a COMPANY.  Based in California.  If you wish to see that as uncivilized because prostitution in illegal I will leave you to that opinion.  There are countries, such as Canada, where sex is allowed to be SOLD but illegal to purchase.  Nothing is as easy as "I want it so give it to me."  So I will leave you to your polls and your accusations and your demands.  However, I can assure you, that there is a very solid BUSINESS reason that this demand has not been met in all the years it has been demanded.

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

4 minutes ago, Ross said:

big deal, ive been here since this game launched , not sure what that has to do with anything. If I used your logic that means I know more than most here and know what will happen in the future however thats also not true. what you state is opinion, I state fact and the fact of the matter is illegal activities in the real world are prohibited in the game, prostitution here in this country  is illegal. those are facts so put them together and charging someone for sex should be a violation of the rules of this site. those are simple facts.  maybe its not enforced but facts are facts and it is a 100 percent fact that the above is true

Thats all I have, wasnt going to respond but for whatever reason you you think you know what will happen in the future or that because you have been here 5 years you know more than others. neither is true.

You didn`t get my logic or you didn`t get my last post. I said about experience,not about the numbers of years. But seems you feel good by ignoring important parts of dialogue. Your fact isn`t 100%. 0% actually. My fact is working 100% today. Look at post where I gave a simple fact about GTA 5. I can bring more and more, but it has no sense because you can google it yourself and it will change nothing. No one pressure to pay for a sex, no one knows how xGold was taken. Simple and logic. 

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11 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

You think you are only one that has played on many games for many years? Think I am not aware of how to get gold? Have you ever worked in business?  International law? I am not pointing this issue out based on in game experience.  I have worked internationally for many years.  If you are found with a porn magazine in some countries there will be beyond harsh consequences and that is not having rl sex either.  I am tired of trying to explain things to you because you refuse to listen.  I have been accused of many things in this thread.  Gizmo and COMPANY will do what is best for the COMPANY whether you want them to or not.  This is not just a GAME.  It is a COMPANY.  Based in California.  If you wish to see that as uncivilized because prostitution in illegal I will leave you to that opinion.  There are countries, such as Canada, where sex is allowed to be SOLD but illegal to purchase.  Nothing is as easy as "I want it so give it to me."  So I will leave you to your polls and your accusations and your demands.  However, I can assure you, that there is a very solid BUSINESS reason that this demand has not been met in all the years it has been demanded.

Calm. Where did I say that I think i am the only one who playing many games etc.? I just have some experience. You`re talking like I don`t know that devils is a company lol I didn`t say many things you talking about. Take a reast.

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

28 minutes ago, Ross said:

btw, I thought this ended yesterday, its funny how you cant stand to be wrong about something. just move on, outside of replying to outlandish posts we have

you`re strange. really. i hope you`re human.

[SusanLouisa]

31 minutes ago, ☙𝔼𝕩❧ said:

You didn`t get my logic or you didn`t get my last post. I said about experience,not about the numbers of years. But seems you feel good by ignoring important parts of dialogue. Your fact isn`t 100%. 0% actually. My fact is working 100% today. Look at post where I gave a simple fact about GTA 5. I can bring more and more, but it has no sense because you can google it yourself and it will change nothing. No one pressure to pay for a sex, no one knows how xGold was taken. Simple and logic. 

Okay Ex, let's look at this a different way.  Why do YOU think they don't allow it?  Yes I am sure there are many games much bigger than 3DX that can afford to pay the VERY high cost of doing business in some of these countries.  Do you want the cost of subscriptions to rise in order to pay for it?  I am sorry but you are using logic but NOT business or international business logic and THAT is the point.  I'm done.  Again.

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

44 minutes ago, Ross said:

now now, no reason to resort to insults.  you seem to get angry easily when your proven wrong, must happen a lot.    

lol again and again you do strange conclusions. I am not angry. I didn`t insult you. I can`t get your logic. By your logic, if someone give a wrong or controversial opinion, I should get it and stand aside. That is how things going wrong. Excuse me, I can`t take your way to live my life. Deal with it  

Nonsense!

Edited November 2, 2019 by ☙𝔼𝕩❧

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

11 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

Okay Ex, let's look at this a different way.  Why do YOU think they don't allow it? 

Allow what and who?

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

1 minute ago, Ross said:

calm down, you start typing strangely  when you get upset and its hard to understand what you are saying

I am quite calm. I typing as usual. With mistakes What`s wrong with you?

[SusanLouisa]

5 minutes ago, ☙𝔼𝕩❧ said:

Allow what and who?

Stares at you calmly before getting up and walking to wall where I slam my head into the brick repeatedly.

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

1 minute ago, Ross said:

ive been here in these forums for years so dealing with stupidity has become second nature. ok, back to the real world, good night all.  

Excuse me. All of your dealing with stupidity, as i remember, is dealing with your own stupidity. I have been proving it, and I can do it again and again. You`re very sensitive at some points.

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

2 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

Stares at you calmly before getting up and walking to wall where I slam my head into the brick repeatedly.

it`s hurt, but if it helps...well.

21 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

Okay Ex, let's look at this a different way.  Why do YOU think they don't allow it?  Yes I am sure there are many games much bigger than 3DX that can afford to pay the VERY high cost of doing business in some of these countries.  Do you want the cost of subscriptions to rise in order to pay for it?  I am sorry but you are using logic but NOT business or international business logic and THAT is the point.  I'm done.  Again.

There is no reason to pay more than today. 3dxchat is going more than 5 years and stands good. There is no real prostitution in 3dxchat. Why is it so difficult to understand? All the money is in the game. You can get xGold from events, daily and so on. You can`t make in game money real. Why is this so difficult to understand? This is a game. GTA 5 based in NYC. They have hookers in the game. You should pay in game for their survice. Maybe stop here? 

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

20 minutes ago, Ross said:

again, gta and 3dx have nothing to do with one another. gta doesnt have a rule about not allowing illegal activities... as a matter of fact the whole game is based on illegal activities, its named after a criminal offense. 

again? did you say about it before? I just checked whole topic! hah, gta and 3dxchat are both games, based in usa. you said gta doesn`t have a rule? you`re wrong. they do have more strong rules. check it if you have it and stop lying. it`s not really important what based game on(that is such a silly conclusion) while gta is working under laws of usa. you can find it in their license agreement and rest documents. 

45 minutes ago, Ross said:

let me know when you actually say something factual and arent just spouting shit that has nothing to do with what was said

say this after all of your unfactual spouted shit x3 when you was RobT, and now, you are always the same. try better next time 

[SusanLouisa]

GTA has been banned in Australia for violence and violence against women.  No one really gets killed or hurt or raped.

GTA has been banned in 50 countries for gambling.

https://www.bmmagazine.co.uk/business/grand-theft-auto-update-banned-in-over-50-countries/

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

3 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

GTA has been banned in Australia for violence and violence against women.  No one really gets killed or hurt or raped.

GTA has been banned in 50 countries for gambling.

https://www.bmmagazine.co.uk/business/grand-theft-auto-update-banned-in-over-50-countries/

In Australia only and gta didn`t lose any coin. Gta has been banned in 50 countries for gambling. Chinese people still playing and giving their money as well as other countries by the fact. They use vpn. 3dxchat hasn`t been banned. I got your point. With money transfer will be zero changes. Did you see escorts in 3dxchat? They works for gifts. An ability when you can pay for Dj, dance group just as to thank them or something else, isn`t bad in my opinion. I am not alone in my opinion. It still in game currency.

[SusanLouisa]

https://www.bmmagazine.co.uk/business/grand-theft-auto-update-banned-in-over-50-countries/

BUSINESS MATTERS

Let me quote the article.

"

Off the casino floor, players can place bets on inside track horse racing, which is argued to be one of the most profitable gambling options in GTA 5. The only thing that doesn’t come free with this update is the online casino chips needed to gamble in this rowdy, virtualized reality. You can purchase $50,000 worth of virtual GTA chips for roughly £1.00 ($1.50) in real-world currency. Each virtual dollar equates to one virtual chip in GTA 5. As a means of preventing overspending, $50,000  is the maximum amount players can purchase every 48 minutes (equivalent to one in-game day).

Despite this sizeable legal barrier across the globe, the update is available nationwide in the United Kingdom and the United States. Many players have managed to purchase chips and participate in gambling activities by using a VPN at their own risk.

While you can convert your hard-earned currency into GTA casino chips, you can’t turn your casino chips back to real-world money..."

So.  How is this different from what I have been trying to tell you for the past two days?

 

[SusanLouisa]

3 minutes ago, ☙𝔼𝕩❧ said:

In Australia only and gta didn`t lose any coin. Gta has been banned in 50 countries for gambling. Chinese people still playing and giving their money as well as other countries by the fact. They use vpn. 3dxchat hasn`t been banned. I got your point. With money transfer will be zero changes. Did you see escorts in 3dxchat? They works for gifts. An ability when you can pay for Dj, dance group just as to thank them or something else, isn`t bad in my opinion. I am not alone in my opinion. It still in game currency.

OMFG.  Did you read the article?  FIFTY Countries is it banned in.  FIFTY.  And it is for gambling WITH in game currency that cannot be exchanged to legal tender.  

Of course I have seen escorts everywhere in 3DX.  I have no issue with them.  Many I count as friends.  I do not judge them.  I am telling you one of the reasons WHYYYYYYY 3DX may have chosen to NOT ALLOW GOLD EXCHANGE but you REFUSE to listen to what I am saying to you!!

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

3 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

https://www.bmmagazine.co.uk/business/grand-theft-auto-update-banned-in-over-50-countries/

BUSINESS MATTERS

Let me quote the article.

"

Off the casino floor, players can place bets on inside track horse racing, which is argued to be one of the most profitable gambling options in GTA 5. The only thing that doesn’t come free with this update is the online casino chips needed to gamble in this rowdy, virtualized reality. You can purchase $50,000 worth of virtual GTA chips for roughly £1.00 ($1.50) in real-world currency. Each virtual dollar equates to one virtual chip in GTA 5. As a means of preventing overspending, $50,000  is the maximum amount players can purchase every 48 minutes (equivalent to one in-game day).

Despite this sizeable legal barrier across the globe, the update is available nationwide in the United Kingdom and the United States. Many players have managed to purchase chips and participate in gambling activities by using a VPN at their own risk.

While you can convert your hard-earned currency into GTA casino chips, you can’t turn your casino chips back to real-world money..."

So.  How is this different from what I have been trying to tell you for the past two days?

 

The difference in judicial practice. GTA has been banned for gambling and has never been banned for prostitution.

[SusanLouisa]

Just now, ☙𝔼𝕩❧ said:

The difference in judicial practice. GTA has been banned for gambling and has never been banned for prostitution.

Can you not connect the dots?  It matters little what it is for.  You never learned critical thinking did you?  Or even abstract thinking?  I'm done. omg again.

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

4 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

Can you not connect the dots?  It matters little what it is for.  You never learned critical thinking did you?  Or even abstract thinking?  I'm done. omg again.

I agree that there can be a chance for 3dx to get some sanctions. I`m trying to be realist. There are plenty of games where money transfer works, still works and maybe will work. 3dxchat doesn`t have official feature for prostitution. Achat has. SL allow to do this. I didn`t notice any fact in any game where the game has been banned because of the prostitution. Why is that?

[Naptime]

Well most states have rewritten the prostitution laws to add "Compensation of any kind" & states that didn't still need a legal currency transaction to even make an arrest. If "compensation of any kind" covers all virtual currency. Then 3dx would already be in violation of Cali State law according to whats been said. Which means people should be getting arrested inside 3dx for gifting prostitutes. Last I checked Xgold is not on a binary trading option to any legal currency. So unless the court is gonna accept payments in Xgold & Gifts for fines to the state I don't see how it's even possible to make an arrest for prostitution. To think that Xgold at this time could start a sex trafficing trade when you can't even buy a paper cup with it yet is just absurd to me. I think maybe the devs need to respond to this topic to clear the topic on why Xgold transfer was removed. Cheers!!!

[SusanLouisa]

So, Ex, GTA= murder and hookers and gambling but that's ok because not anyone really murdering/fucking/or winning money.  But they are banned in 50 countries.

3DX no one really fucking or prostituting so that's okay and would be okay if they got banned in 50 countries because you want to give away your coin.

Right?  

@Ross so good to hear I did not make your eyes bleed.  You did not make mine bleed either.  Thank you. I think we both learned lesson not to waste breath. 

[Naptime]

Well to say that xgold faces legal issues if shared between players because prostitution is Illegal in the states. Is just bold. I think some missed the point
that the payment is either legal or it isn't for prostitution crime. The Currency/payment has it's own set of rules & should be presented with saying
Prostitution is Illegal in the states. To not do so makes it half truth in my opinion. Cheers!!!

Edited November 2, 2019 by Naptime

[THX]

You can gamble with tokens or a token economy (like 3DX has). You just can't gamble with tokens that can be converted into real money.

 

I think if you look at an old world like RLC, that is over 10 years old and would have faced legal challenges, you can see what you can and can't do.

You CAN be a WG/WG (Working Girl or Working guy - prostitute) and make token that can be converted into real life money legally. There are Australian WG's in RLC and the get paid RL. I don't see a reason you couldn't do either just xgold traded, or a micro economy for anything other than gambling. Keep in mind, there are 9 Franchises worldwide they have also by different names. I think it falls legally more under Phone sex like laws than prostitution. After all, it's just cartoons or cybersex. Both you can pay for legally already.

 

I believe you can in SL also..

 

As for gambling... Here is how you can...

 

VII. PLAY GAMING AND CHIPS:

1.         The Services may offer a virtual form of currency ("Chips") that may be symbolized or nicknamed using fictional, play amounts of Dollars, Euros, other forms of currency, Rays, coins, points, or in any other manner as we may determine. Although nicknamed in this way, such name is strictly to enhance the enjoyment of the Service, and Chips have no value and shall never be redeemable for cash or anything of value. Chips are solely a virtual feature of the game. Without limiting the foregoing, symbols on various virtual machines or games may indicate some form of currency, such as a dollar sign on a slot machine. Regardless of what the symbols, artwork, or other indications may state on a machine or game, they always refer to play money Chips, and not to anything of value.

2.         Chips shall constitute a limited, personal, revocable, non-transferable, non-sublicenseable license to use Chips in conjunction with certain features of the Service, such as play money gaming, You have no right or title in the Chips. All license rights to any Chips associated with your account shall terminate immediately in the event that you attempt to obtain anything of value in exchange for Chips.

3.         We may grant a license to some amount of Chips by giving them to you, selling them to you, exchanging them for Rays, or otherwise. We shall not grant or pay you anything of value in exchange for Chips, nor are you permitted to sell or trade Chips with us or with any other party for anything of value. To be clear, while we may permit you to purchase access to Chips in order to play the games, the transaction can never happen in reverse. Chips may never be exchanged or redeemed for any non-virtual item, for "real world" money or goods, or for any other thing of value. If we sell Chips to you in exchange for Rays or cash, you shall have no right to a refund. We have the right to discontinue some or all of the features that utilize Chips at any time. We may, at our discretion, within the game, allow you to exchange Chips for virtual, digital items within the Service that have no value. The virtual, digital in-game items available for redemption using Chips may be changed or eliminated at any time within our sole discretion. In no event shall you ever be allowed to exchange such virtual, digital in-game items for anything of value.

4.         Except as expressly permitted, and then only through the mechanisms that we specifically provide as part of the Service, you are prohibited from transferring Chips to any other person or entity.

5.         Any Chips obtained as a result of a malfunction, programming error, mistake, use of any automated program or process, or violation of these TOS are considered void. If such Chips have already been exchanged for other items, such items shall be void. Such void Chips or virtual items shall be removed from whatever account they are associated with. If void Chips were exchanged for time-limited virtual items (such as time-limited access to an area of the virtual environment), additional Chips may be removed from your account in place of the void Chips. Intentional use of void Chips or other void items shall be a violation of the TOS.

6.         Chips and play gaming are for fun only. You do not have any right to keep the Chips you have and you may not exchange the Chips for anything of value. Because games need rules, we set out some basic rules in this paragraph. The presence of rules may not be construed as creating any rights to enforce these rules, since they govern a game where nothing of value may be won:

a.         We may have progressive jackpot machines. The progressive jackpot may refer to a fixed jackpot, to a jackpot that varies randomly, to a jackpot that increases relative to the amount of Chips played since the last win, or determined in some other manner.

b.         A malfunction, software bug, or exploit voids all play.

c.         A symbol on progressive or other machines that does not appear on the pay out tables may not be used as a "wildcard" in "any symbol-any symbol-any symbol" type paylines.

d.         When you change the amount of Chips per coin bet, the number of coins or credits indicated on the machine may change to reflect the new denomination.

7.         Because Chips have no value, and function only as part of a game, in running the game, we may take any action we wish at any time with regard to Chips.

 

 

 

In short, you can gamble in 3DX, but not for anything but fictional things of no value like XGold. Slot machines, who's can jump highest, who will win the wold cup,  Raffles, contests, games etc. It would be very fun here - especially things like raffles and games. I think Gizmo has a great idea personally.

Edited November 2, 2019 by THX

[Xizi]

What is the fundamental difference between providing a virtual sex services for the gifts, bought with ingame currency and for the ingame currency itself, if it can't be converted back into real money? I can understand your @Ross@SusanLouisa concerns about 3dxchat being banned in some countries for prostitution, which can lead to reducing the player base. But aren't we already have escorts and the mechanism that let players to pay for escort services? What will change with adding an option to pay with xgold directly instead of paying with gifts, that before it was not a reason to ban a game and after - it will be? I mean, the topic is about adding an option to transfer xgold from player to player, not about somehow legalizing prostitution and adding some ingame roles for it. Tho again, even now prositution (if it can be called so ofc, because it's not really sex and not really any real life currency) is if not legal here, than at least decriminalized. There are a lot of working girls all around 3dxchat rooms, who does not care to hide (again, I don't say that they should!) and sell their services openly and I did not ever hear about any of them being banned for it.

And btw, about the GTA. GTA – huge AAA game with tons of media buzz around it. Everyone knows about GTA. Even people who don't play videogames know about GTA. 3dxchat is a little game with a very little community, Even if playerbase in 3dxchat will rise 10x times – it still will be tiny compared with GTA or some other huge AAA game. The thing is – most probably no one really gives a fuck about such a little game. 99.999% of people have no clue what is 3dxchat and never heard about it.

Edited November 2, 2019 by Xizl

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

4 hours ago, Ross said:

I play gta online, dont remember interacting with hookers, strippers yes .  not that you cant but I dont play games to imaginary fuck hookers so wouldnt know. clearly you do so I will trust what you say

It`s not important how you do play your gta online. There is a paid sex by the fact in your gta. Youtube can  help you to check it. Type gta hookers or something else.

4 hours ago, Ross said:

ok, here is a English lesson... my name is ROSS, not ROBT.  I can see you have a hard time with four letter names, just thought I would help. nowhere on my birth certificate does it say rob  but it does say Ross. I would be willing to bet yours doesnt say ex so maybe your the alt.  

Your first name after long disappearing was TboR. Mirror from RobT. Then you changed it to Ross. I'm not the only one who noticed you coming back. Why do you always think that people so stupid around you? The same manner, mistakes,logic mistakes,friends,enemies,etc. The same points which you`re so sensitive about and the same wish to give a lesson of education : ) I lost the moment why you was banned, but welcome back RobT!

About your logic mistakes. I have them too, but seems you do that consciously. You trying to connect real life birth certificate to virtual reality where you can write or be everything you want. You're trying to picture my education by how short my name is on the forum without having a clue why I wrote my name that way. I hope you got the point. Have a good one 

Edited November 2, 2019 by ☙𝔼𝕩❧