Tsela

2 hours ago, ☙𝔼𝕩❧ said:

Will tails be able for men too? Anyone knows? 

probably. This accessory is easy to apply to anything, regardless of being a male avi, female avi... hmmm maybe even as a builder object... :))

9 minutes ago, Xizi said:

Well maybe because there are already 3 topics about male clothes on the first page of this forum section, and one of them even created by Food himself? Yet he comes with that problem in this thread. 

More of it, he already made a post on the first page of this thread: 

And after not getting any reaction - he posts again, clearly wanting to derail this thread into discussing what he thinks is important. While there is 3 threads EXACTLY about lacking male clothes: 

So yeah. I think it's pretty fair to call it whining and I would even add "spamming".

fair point. Well in fact the same way I can see tons of topics about female clothing.

But yeah if you talk about this thread and multi posting, you got a point.

EDIT: I didn't see his first post on this same thread saying the same thing.

4 hours ago, Lunarelf said:

why can't you stop whining about the clothes? There is quite a lot choises for male avatar, and I'm still making more for them. the problem is not and never will be the tail nor the fantasy styled clothes, so stop whining around plllls

Also, ain't a lot of male avatar just wearing same polo or  t-shirts, but not trying to pay more attention on modifying their avatar? yes, we don't have very much options to modify the avatar, but it not means "we have no anyway to make it special ! Try the punky style or rocker style maybe? I'm pretty sure we can already make that

He has a point, you know. And he's pointing out the obvious fact. So maybe you shouldn't call  it "whining" from the position where you can make use of hundreds more of customization options in an online game. You can talk about stuff you need, and he talks about stuff he needs. And I do agree with his point. The Male clothes options are trash level and has been for years. and it's perfectly reasonable to bring that up over and over again. I'm not talking you down if you need something, I don't see why would you talk him down about what he needs. Sounds stupid to say: "You need stuff? Fuck off, stop whining, go get creative with the amount of stuff you have, change your hairstyle or something. Fuck you"

I saw also lesbian poses being called out and I agree with those females also. Straight poses applied to FF 90% isn't a lesbian pose.

I saw suggestions over and over again for stuff to be added to world editor. Is that whining also? 

It's the suggestions part of the forums. That's what people do. I see 10 times the amount of "needs" spammed all over the place about female clothing and stuff. Quite often by the same people over and over again. But once a guy brings up his issues, suddenly counts as whining.

On 6/29/2021 at 2:52 AM, Food said:

Seeing the last update few updates, and in particular the last one who featured a big Nothing for males, I'm here once again asking to the devs to add Diversity to male's closet, it shines so so so so pale in comparison to the female Avatar's closet. There's such a difference that it's beginning to be boring to try and dress up with such little damn options. 
I know the female closet isnt the best either, but anyone who explored the male options. It looks like a stereotype of a guy: 3 boxers, 3 pants, 3 shirts (I know its a bit hyperbolic but you get the idea). I would love to provide help with creating and designing clothes just for the sake of having actual diversity. 

Lets hope the "big cloth update" makes this post irrelevant.

-Food

Well Lisa doesn't seem to be interested in any sort of male content. She only adds things that probably she loves to wear or use. Recent discord posts are also about female updates, to have even better shaders for stockings, jewlery, even tails. Everything is always more urgent than male clothing, poses, dances, or anything that has to do with male avi.  Most likely any suggestions here make no sense. I never saw a single reply from any devs about male clothes. Ever. Not once. They are aware, just they are lacking professionalism, and most likely add stuff that turns them on. Suggestions are a waste of time most probably.

99% if we get anything at all it's something they made for the female avi, and applied to male also. Like those female dances. Regardless if it looks stupid or not. But most of the time, just forget it. Contents updates are for female exclusively. They should advertise that on the main page though.

There is a serious miscommunication in development, and same goes for Lesbian poses, and girls are right. The devs seem to think that futa poses are lesbian content. Well they aren't. But it's not like they actually listened to them

You are asking for male updates from these developers?? BLASPHEMY!!!

well in any case. Until then we can share some ways to work around it. I was experimenting with a few measures like for example placing the invisible light in the builder inside a wall or another object, so it isn't captured by my screen space on it's own, and applied on the surface of the window. Objects don't have light collision for the invisible light so it shines right through. But the object itself isn't reflected. Sometimes I masked blinking light effects too from a certain camera position

The problem comes from screen space reflection. Although even that doesn't work well on the reflective surfaces of the game, since objects aren't rendered correctly on the surface, so only local light sources are rendered. Basically any reflection is simply a duplication of local light you have at any given time on your screen, applied to the reflective surface.

Those effects we apply to objects are reflected on the glass also like light sources, and not as objects. (blinking lights on objects make windows light up in ugly ways)

You are also decorating your build with invisible light sources for better ambience and visibility. Try to make sure, you don't put those close to the windows, because the local invisible light will be duplicated also on the surface of the window causing that effect. Place those a bit further away or above, so these invisible lights don't fall in your camera space whenever you walk close to that window. The game has really basic reflection, so we have to work around it. I doubt that stuff like Ray Tracing will ever be part of this game

So far the bottle glass has a weird sort of screen space reflection, where the objects are also reflected, and the glass doesn't shine up on the entire surface, but looks weird since it also duplicates it's own self on the surface of the glass. Well, some people made use of this awkward effect for artistic purposes in the game and looked really interesting.

So not the reflection itself is aggressive here. it simply doesn't work correctly. Only light is reflected and spread along the surface, and not the objects in front of it.

There are many deficiencies we have in the builder. Light shining through walls, local light doesn't cast shadows, reflection doesn't work correctly. You take a walk at Saloon for example, it looks so much better. local lights dynamically cast shadows, the mirror has a good reflection, windows have reflection applied more correctly.

1 minute ago, Khallum Troy said:

Je suis désolé de poser cette question. Cela va vous paraitre stupide, mais n'étant là que depuis, presque, un an. Il y a encore des choses qui m'échappent, que je découvre et que j'apprends. Qu'est ce que Pandora ? Si je lis bien, c'était un système qui permettait de savoir s'il y avait de multiples avatars sur un compte ? C'est bien ça ?

______________________________________

I'm sorry to ask this question. This is going to sound silly, but having only been here, almost, a year. There are still things I don't understand, , that I discover and that I learn. What is Pandora? If I read correctly, it was a system that allowed to know if there were multiple avatars on an account? Is that right?

Pandora was basically a security issue, a program that was used by people to exploit the security flaws of the game and dig around eachothers accounts to see what other alts they have, check their friends, or see not only their current gifts, but even those they deleted long ago. It basically wiped out their privacy. And led to all sort of drama, blackmail and really jerk behavior between players.

41 minutes ago, Loruna said:

Pandora wasnt that bad in the right hands. But without context pandora is a real drama producer. 
If Pandora got used against dramamakers it was fine. But as in my example, people used it to harass people they dont like as well.

People see a male avi on my account and saying that I am a fake or fooling people.
They would not bother to ask why I have that avi or how much I play that avi.
They only care for the "fake or fooling" part. And I am for sure not the only one that had that problem.

So. When Pandora gets used against people that cause trouble and all, okay. But people will misuse it again.
And it will be more drama, more mistrust again. People will check Pandora first, before going to meet closer.

As everything in life, Pandora had a good and a bad side. But the bad side was, in my opinion, the bigger side.
But as I said. When the devs manage to make the ignore account wide without systems like pandora will come back, I am totally down for it.

I'm not sure if the right person ever existed. I mean you would trust any player here assuming authority over others using a program like that? I think it all should be left to the authority of devs and ingame moderators if anyone is tasked with this responsibility by the developers, and in this case they already have access to our accounts without any shady Pandora system.

I'm not an expert though, who knows maybe there can be a work around to have account tied ignore system and still avoid exploits.... But for now they probably took it as the safest way, even if it might be annoying in some cases.

4 hours ago, Twiggy said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I remember is that each character you create they are allotted a brand new reference number. Which means all anyone who has been ignored has to do is delete that character and create a new one and be off the ignore list. That allows them to just keep going back and creating problems. 

Why not have it so each space, the 3 slots we have, each have a static reference numbers. Have the ignore permanently placed on the slot so they cant just delete and make a new character to keep harassing. That way they could only do it 3 times instead of the unlimited amount they have now. 3 ignores and your done instead of constant harassment.

Actually I think it's made like that.

each slot has a unique reference number most probably. I believe so because there are many people for example delete their avi, I saw this countless of times. And create a new name. however when they do that again, and change their name back to the original one they used before (create a new character again with the old name, not with the name change option), their friendlist, gifts even marital status is restored to the state it was when they deleted it. But if another person does that, using teh same name after deletion on another account, this doesn't happen. They actually pop up back on my friendlist automatically also out of blue if they recreate the same name on that account. With their gifts, picture slots, everything preserved. I can't imagine how would this work like that unless the slots themselves receive a reference number and not the newly created character

I don't really know if the ignore status is restored the same way. I didn't have the chance to test that. But I suppose it would if the friend status is restored on a brand new created character

Indeed It's quite annoying, and bothersome to ignore somebody multiple times because of the different avis they might play, and it's generally unconvenient. I personally never had this issue because I don't really put anyone on the ignore list. Crazy people are part of the world too... what can you do...

However as Twiggy said above, it was exploitable in all sort of ways, there was no best way around it, creating bigger issues and privacy concerns. Programs such as Pandora were a problem not only for those who wanted to hide their identities, but also made people unable to shake off stalkers most of the time, even if they changed their names. Even their deleted gifts were shown by that program and all sort of crazy stuff. So it was a problem.

The way the devs fixed it, is that each avi receives a unique number on the server, so they exist separately, regardless of being on the same account or not.

Well in any case. Maybe they simply chose the lesser evil in this case. Ignoring people multiple times can be bothersome, but it takes a second to ignore someone who bothers you. And you can still report repeated offenders for harassment, if they are persistent. 

I know it sucks, but probably it's the lesser evil and avoids some of the drama that existed here before. It just makes it more difficult for stalkers and other shitheads to track you even if you don't want to have anything to do with them.

41. Firefighter outfit

42. Lumberjack style shirt with those red and black squares.

43. jeans variant of existing shirts

44. for stripper maniacs removable front part of the pants 

45. boots

46. about 70-90 more items in the form of shirts, leather jackets, pants with different texture variants

24 minutes ago, THX said:

 

It must be quite humiliating to see your claims exposed as nonsense Morty. 

But Lea seems to be turned on  by you, so you at least have that going.

 

Whatever you say, son

1 hour ago, Leopardus said:

Actually, as I watched the relationship develop between Tsela and THX, I started to see the parallels with nearly all great romantic stories in which the two main protagonists desperately hate eachother and argue at every opportunity until they realise they are actually deeply in love...stories such as Pride and Prejudice...When Harry met Sally...and so many others.  Maybe the advice we need to offer is not to start a different thread, but to...

"Get a room you two!!!"

Maybe we will all be invited to the wedding!

Nah, we're good. I'll let his boobs jiggle on their own  

Enough of that nonsense.

There was a poll on Discord about body hair option for male avi customization, haven't heard much about it since then. Might be a cool idea if that's still a thing. It was overwhelmingly upvoted also.

3 hours ago, THX said:

As I actually respect you Twiggy, I have tried to be cordial and will continue  to try.

let's use proper terms since we both are trying to be on the same page. Let's drop the TOS. It's EULA.

Sadly, you did NOT show me a "Free Dances" nor those that would work here. That was the point with Morty (Tsela) Who claimed to see dances in the Unity store that would work here free. That is obviously  now shown to be rubbish. I knew he was a fake long ago as most know.. One of many trying to act important - but can't walk the walk. Nothing of importance,

I never claimed to  be an expert. I am merely trying to relay what I have learned and I've learned a bit. Things you obviously are not aware of. And what I have learned is it isn't as easy as most think, or "you" do when it comes to a shared VR world. You used to claim (I Think, if wrong then show me wrong) That is was as simple as just logging into the Unity Store and grabbing kewl assets and plugging them in. Many here think it is that easy - and obviously it isn't.   There Are MANY reasons why you don't do this in a platform like 3DX.

You also once believed major platforms would use $200 dollar amateur software for Mocap.. that is still amusing to me. Feel free to figure out the costs of porn stars and Holofilms along with Animatrix costs. I seriously doubt they use 200 dollar software. LOL Maybe ask what Animatrix charges for a live stage and add the other costs. LOL

Your company is not the same as here. I understand why you don't want to go into detail, but it is simply not the same as here. You really don't know (in terms of this) much TBH.

 

 

 

Keep being hysterical mate  I know it hurts, but most know already that you have nothing new to say, and you are just the village idiot now on the forums

Do entertain us some more. Funny how desperately you are trying to save face there. Probably by now the safest and most logical way for you would have been to shut up before digging your own grave deeper. Stop humiliating yourself. Try to grow up and take a seat cartoon boy. Your childish struggle is both stupid and boring.

And maybe let's return to the origins of this thread which was about male clothes.

Twiggy is right and frankly you should stop hijacking the thread. Go make your own and cry there.

It's a waste of her time, and probably waste of mine also to answer you by now.

4 hours ago, Twiggy said:

I am getting so sick of this, try actually reading the TOS before you go quoting what you believe to be what is in it and not just noticing the extension asset under license type on the item I linked to and what it says when you click on it. Per user does not mean what you seem to think, it does not mean like per player in your game. It is in reference to the amount of people in the company that will be working on the game using that asset. If there are 4 people who will be working on the game then all 4 need a license. If you have contractors working on the game for your company then they will also need licenses. An extension asset does not stop you from using that asset in your game.  If you had read the TOS you will have seen that and not made that comment. 

Plus the comments you have previously made were to suggest that we cannot use items purchased from the Unity store without getting direct permission from the owners, that was what you said over and over. My argument has from my very 1st post was to say it is covered by the license agreements supplied by the Unity Assets store and you have tried to argue against that with comments like these below.

Quote " I'd never assume something on there can be used commercially and rebroadcast to thousands without consent."

Quote "You cannot use them in 3DX or any platform unless you get specific  permission from the asset holder. It's all spelled out in the TOS. Without explicit permission from the author, 3DX would become a legal target."

Quote "I would NEVER assume a thing without direct permission from the asset maker."

And now you have been made to actually look at how it all works in the Unity Assets store you are trying to say you have always said the opposite. lol well I guess in a way that is admitting you were wrong.

 

 

well to make it simple, first he was claiming that there are no free assets in the unity store, then when you proved him wrong, he basically tried to dodge the discussion talking about the TOS. While everything we download from the unity store is subjected to their term of use, it wasn't what you talked about before, wasn't it? He's just prolonging this argument simply because he hates being proven wrong, and struggles to maintain an argument without having anything new to say.

Don't let that get to you. You are right there.

Extension assets are subjected to terms of use, license free items can be used, modified, shared, sold as part of your project as your own without the need of any extra licensing, or anything at all. The items which are subjected to additional licensing are highlighted as licensing type you can acquire for single entity or multi entity. In case of single entity, you are the only entity holding the license and having the legal right to work with it.

1 hour ago, ☙𝔼𝕩❧ said:

Boys, you were arguing like Kids. 

Well at least you can take an argument. And I respect that. Even if we don't agree at all at times. We were having our arguments, and stayed on topic. But this dude is on another planet.

Get this: He even started up the game and went on the world chat and started screaming and spamming the chat about me and socks for like an hour :)) I swear :)) Without me even replying to him Some people started mocking him, he got even more angry there. I was literally rolling on the floor laughing. I occasionally clicked back to WC while chatting with my friend, to check on him, and he was still going. He was spamming the World Chat for a long time  he was so obsessed and frustrated. So yeah that's the kind of guy he is.

Put that into perspective next time when he tries to educate anybody lol

Regardless, we're done with this nonsense. He's going in circles anyway

2 hours ago, Twiggy said:

I strongly suggest you start actually doing some searches, and simple searches at that before you go posting things that you must only work out in your own head what in your view is right or wrong.

Just to give you a hand and make it a little easier for you...

https://support.unity.com/hc/en-us/articles/205623589-Can-I-use-assets-from-the-Asset-Store-in-my-commercial-game-

The Unity assets store hasn't changed at all in respect to how it handles its licensing for items sold. Everything I said in my previous post that you quoted as being wrong is 100% correct.

Start actually finding out if what you believe is right before you go telling people they are wrong and posting misleading information in these forums.

You remind me a lot of a certain other person that use to do the same thing in these forums, she always made herself look foolish to.

 

Edited to add...

I actually remember on more than one occasion seeing dance animations offered for free under a non restricted agreement. I also remember the same dance animations were free on other websites. I wouldn't know if they are the ones that Tsela is talking about but can say they have had free ones on the Unity assets store.

Nevermind him. He's just hysterical, let him go back to his cartoons. He is a nobody, just a player like the rest of us, so it's pointless to argue with him.

And you are right

In any case. I do like unity store and I started learning to work with Unity. They are among the most helpful bunch.

They send me free tutorials and links to assets I can use through email, C# programming language is much more convenient to work with, and it really is a very helpful and quite powerful engine, no wonder so many developers love Unity. While Unreal has more bells and whistles, Unity is simply far easier to work with. Even for those developers who don't have a high budget or time. 

Free assets are also free to use, modify, and being sold as part of your project.

2 minutes ago, Leopardus said:

I've had enough...I'm blocking them both. 

Fair enough. I'm sorry for derailing from the subject. I'm done triggering him

1 hour ago, THX said:

 

Why isn't this sinking in? How many times by how many people does it need repeated. For a guy who whines constantly about the Devs being lazy and his cartoon doesn't have socks, and he pays the cost of a McDonald's value meal a month and is "owed" is just a comedy piece on it's own Morty.

I believe Ex explained to you already that the company that makes artist paint has no claim to the artists work they paint. I believe it was Ex that explained that Blender, 3DXmax, or whatever Loruna uses to make animations has no claim to her work anymore than anyone elses. 

Maybe if you ask her nice, she can educate you on how she transferred rights to 3DX for her work.

 

Ex blocked you because you are stupid, and out of desperation you made a new thread about boob jiggles and cried even more :))

About Loruna. Yeah I appreciate her time and investment. And I would like to have the pose editor instead, just like we have the world editor. Especially since it was promised actually by Gizmo, so as customers we can ask about that. To create our own stuff. Even her work most of the time isn't considered by the devs. She was frustrated about it. 

Well when it comes to you... You aren't considered for anything by anyone. The devs don't give a shit about you, just as much as they don't give a shit about me, or anyone else here. You can make a hundred more topics about your suggestions, they will NEVER be considered. Ever. Yes they are lazy. But you can do that of course, like you always do, because you are a bored lonely guy. Just like I can suggest clothing for men. That's what this thread is about. But nothing will happen most likely. Show me where was any of your suggestion and complains were taken seriously. Or applied to the game. So you can break a sweat trying to educate women about boob jiggles or pull your hair out arguing with me, but nobody gives a fuck.

See ya boi

11 minutes ago, THX said:

I hope anyone reading this now realizes just how little you actually know.

Would you like me to post the automatic Copyright for an artist again?  As our builds are art, they are automatically copyrighted unless another arrangement is made. And if you cannot understand any of this, I suggest you test it if you have the balls... maybe youtube. 

Copy and post someones work like textures they made and give us all a link so we can bet on  how long you are banned, face legal issues or both. 

I'm sure many of us are still laughing a out your claim 3DX isn't copyrighted so they can't also anything about piracy -even when it is clearly marked as registered on their main page.

 

Keep watching your cartoons boi, and dream about your automatic international copyright laws, which needs no proof of ownership according to you, nor any registration :))

Why do artists even watermark their creation then... they are bored, right? :))

4 minutes ago, THX said:

So basically you made an unsubstantiated claim that gives the impression that one can just go to the Unity Store and it is a comercial shopping spree - which is NOT the case as spelled out in the Unity Store TOS.

Secondly, we have proven your Copyright claim false also. I believe Ex posted a link a out this and it is an international treaty.  If you need to be schooled, I'm sure I can post the information again and make you look even more foolish.

As far as Men's clothing and assets in general, I have also explained in another thread there are the problems of the assets required Unity version.

Then, there are issues with men's clothing comparability with the Avitar 3DX uses. 

It isn't just grabbing something and it will work. 

Keep struggling boiii  Any junk you make like your rooms aren't automatically copyrighted either. Unless you find a way to do it. You are even using assets in teh game that weren't created by you. And you don't have ownership over them. Mine arent' either. I can chose to share them or not. But they aren't copyrighted by any laws.

9 minutes ago, THX said:

Secondly,  how many people have to explain to you when an artist creates something it is automatically copyrighted. Ex tried, I did and and maybe others have. It just doesn't sink in.

Third, you still haven't provided the linka to these free dances and such on the Unity Store. Why would anyone take you seriously?

No, not everything is automatically copyrighted. You can yap all you want about it. I already educated you and it makes no sense talking about that again with you. 

-no I didn't provide you with links with free dances because I didn't find the post. I talked about the posts I saw here on the forums, and Diana showed me one of those which isn't unity store but also has bunch of free poses which they directly copied and put in the game and applied to the male avi also. You can find our dance poses on this link. Read back

Otherwise I don't really give a damn if you don't take me seriously. It never bothered me. I never took you seriously either, cartoon boy :)) Anyway. I'm not wasting my time with you. This isn't the world chat

42 minutes ago, THX said:

No Twiggy, things haven't changed significantly and all assets fall under the Unity Store default TOS. I'd never assume something on there can be used commercially and rebroadcast to thousands without consent.  I'm itching to see these unrestricted dance animations he claims on the Unity Store. Dance Animations are a lot of work. 

You cannot use them in 3DX or any platform unless you get specific  permission from the asset holder. It's all spelled out in the TOS. Without explicit permission from the author, 3DX would become a legal target.

Tesla, talks out of his ass. Just like he recently claimed he could take a others Copyright work and resell it or distribute it as his own, so too are his nonsensical claims now. Notice how he can't even back up his claims.

You can click on the legal link at the bottom of the stores page and get the email addy to their legal department.  They will answer your questions. We have done this years ago. Along with questions such as if you could download an asset for personal use (like our builds) and use it on a platform such as 3DX which also was a no - without the authors permission.

Keep saying bullshit. I didn't say you can resell copyrighted work, I told you, that any work you make isn't automatically copyrighted. Which you claimed it is. Any junk you pull out of your ass and you personally call art isn't automatically copyrighted. And it can possibly be resold, or modified, unless you can prove ownership. So probably you should stop lying around here out of desperation. 

Second, Yes there are many completely free items in the Unity store and you can do whatever you want with them.

Third. Diana was kind enough to provide me one of the links on that site where there were lots of free poses we use in the game. We have been discussing those in the past also. I'm not going to dig around for links over the forums I mentioned them since we talked about them in the past also.

You can beat your mouth all you want about these things. Cheers