Democracy in 3DX

[Guest Skar]

You mean like this topic should have been about freedom of speech in 3dxchat ?

 

Rob, you might burrow it under a big pile of sarcasm, but I really think you miss posting here.

[Guest RobT]

by now ive learned one thing. when to stop beating a dead horse. otherwise it just goes back and forth forever. The only reason i said anything was because i didny like the way some were degrading French work. the conversation has changed topics mid thread so really have nothing of value to add to it that hasnt been said countless times. So for once i am going to shut up and let you guys battle it out.

[Akali]

do you really want to do the male #5 dance ? the dance i call the 'oeran oetan' dance

 

 

Ohhhh yeah esp that one!!!!!

[Necraloth]

Are you serius or what?

 

now tell me when i have asked to FT to create something i want. and nobody pointed a gun to her to make the contents she wanted.

 

I dont talk to FT, i'm asking that to the devs if this is not clear to you.

 

FIRST, i'm here since 2 years and in all this time i have seen only one update for male clothes and few other for female. 2 damn years.

SECOND, all the male avi look the same, we all are twin but just with  different hair.

 

those things should be fixed asap, then i guess now we  have dance enough, I'll say again this is a sex game and gameplay should be developed around sex things cause the social part of the game is already good, you have your pretty cool Frisco club and NC, or even User Room where meet ppl and chat, but seriusly, this is a sex game and lack lot of sex related things.

 

Now if you wanna be nice and stop to be blind...

 

Do excuse me but last time I checked this was a thread about democracy in this place. A thread that started when a post concerning FT's content getting destructive criticism got locked up after it got out of hand. If you are having a hard time staying on topic maybe it would help you to take a step back and think before you post and turn every thread in these forums an outlet for your complaining. I'm sure if you would search the Development & Suggestions section you would find the proper thread for it. And before you get your blood all pumping, thinking this is targeted only to you, let me correct you by saying no. This is targeted to everyone that is trying to steer this topic somewhere else just to fit their needs, just like RobT said.

 

But hey, what do I know, apparently I'm blind. So I'll follow RobT's example and get off this derailed train while there's still time.

[XHulkX]

 

I was saying in general hun to everything i have seen the past couple days. It wasn't directed at anyone specific. Only helping people remember that it's not just about what they want but to remember to put their selves in their shoes.

 

AkalI I am sorry but I see you keep on it it is not about what they do for themselves cause for themselves they do take some money, they do not do this from the goodness of they're hart or fr volunteer they do for a check that is called business, that is called work. A BUSINESS LETS ITS CLIENTS KNOW WHEN THEY IN VACATION OR THIS VACATION WAS WAY TO LONG IT IS NOT ABOUT X MASS TIME IS ABOUT ALL THIS TIME LOL.Sorry but this is all i can say so i do not worry about they'r good quality time and so on if they do not care of mine.

[Guest Skar]

This is actually funny when you think how a thread can evolve and how off topic can be a really gray area. 

 

So this thread was named Democracy in 3DX

 

As I state earlier in the thread, I think that this topic was originally more about "freedom of speech" in 3dxchat than Democracy. 

But at the same time, this topic was in reaction about how the previous topic was handle and locked, 

 

So the original post wasn't really about Democracy or even just freedom of speech, it was more about the state of freedom to criticize on the previous thread. 

 

Since that topic was linked and related to the previous one, obviously, some names were mention and soon enough it was more about the right and wrong of how people behaved in that previous thread and it was never really about democracy, not even a second and not that much about even freedom of speech. 

 

So this topic was actually off topic from the very start, but it was still a good reflexion about how the previous topic  went and also reasuring that the work of our volonteers was not in cause. It was stated many time that it wasn't any member of our community fault and there work on there spare time was appreciated. 

 

But as soon as it was pretty clear that it wasn't any member fault, then another answer came out and you might agree or not,it alright. But, yes, the thread drifted to the state of develloppement of the game and as much as people see it as only complaining, it not that simple. A lot of member of the community have voiced there concerns about the direction the game is taking for the last few months. I am not talking about just... I want more stuff but rather well construct post questioning the direction 3dxchat develloppement.

 

Those voices need to heard and not discard, you can always blame the few trolls that plague a thread, but I am personally talking about the member that actually had a point.

 

Anyway, I think that the criticism that rose in this topic were actually not so off topic, not much more then the other posts I have seen here. Often, it important to read the whole thing from the start before claming that it went off topic as you might notice that it was actually never on topic or simply it evolve as it progress as any discussion can and well even if it not always as civil as we might have hoped for.  lol

[simon]

 

You pay a Membership for 3DXChat with access for the game you don't pay for be a part of Developing also you don't pay for Updates.

These are optional things of the Developers...

 

 

A pay a subscription for a game that still in beta, and if you know soething about videogame worls, you know that games with more succes are those games who listen the comunity, yea, bec if you have forget that is a game.

 

And is a bit rude take our money whitout letting us know what they are doing, dont you think? 

 

 

 

Well I can argument with the same words. Because I don't want the full Kamasutra in 3D

 

Did i talked only about sex poses? no, so pls read better my posts

 

 

But so or so we can very gladly talk like adults about this, rude words are not needed

Or you think the Devs want a rude community for be a part of the optional Developing?

 

I think during those years many ppl tried to talk, and help with the development, but still, the game havent changed much. Good and useful updates wetre a few, mostly was usless and they come once in while, there is not a schedule. and since i pay for thsi beta game, im allowed to be pissed, bec is not a F2P.

[Elmos]

A pay a subscription for a game that still in beta, and if you know soething about videogame worls, you know that games with more succes are those games who listen the comunity, yea, bec if you have forget that is a game.

 

And is a bit rude take our money whitout letting us know what they are doing, dont you think? 

 

 

 

Did i talked only about sex poses? no, so pls read better my posts

 

 

I think during those years many ppl tried to talk, and help with the development, but still, the game havent changed much. Good and useful updates wetre a few, mostly was usless and they come once in while, there is not a schedule. and since i pay for thsi beta game, im allowed to be pissed, bec is not a F2P.

 

I don't think you and I are entitled to know what the developers are currently working on, even though they're sometime trying to get suggestion on a feature (Just like they asked on twitter which one of the tights you would like in game). Most of the complaints here doesn't seems to come from what they're working on but rather as a lack of work, I'm sure some of you wouldn't complain as much if we were getting more update on a weekly basis. Do I agree that we could use of more updates? Yea sure, it doesn't mean that i'll be coming here spitting on the devs anytime I feel like they're not working enough for my tastes even though you're very much free to do so.

 

As to the community point, coming from a game like WoW myself I don't think that it is true, in fact most of the time when they give something to a specific part of their community they always get a huge backlash from another side, I don't think you can please everyone no matter what you do, especially when your game got bigger as the time pass, what people wants in return will start to differ more and more.

 

Overall no matter how people voice it, in a negative or positive light, we all want the same thing, a better game for everyone and I hope that is where we're headed for 2016.

[XHulkX]

We all hope we headed there you know hope die's last we just want to advance from turtle closer to rabbit speed ) :). That being said if they actually do not like the comments do something and start update more often so the comments get more sweet. Until than, well for a poor service you give no tips and give an ear full to the manager (consider this is the only manager that might get to the owner/developer). Even the customer services straight on support takes here twice if not 3 times more long than other games on same thing. .... but its 3dxc I'm not as old in here as others but it seams it always been this way and if they been 3 4 years on market they say why change, customers come customers go and some now and than come and visit .

[XHulkX]

     

Regardless how they will update they have me for at least 13 months more here i just bought the 1 year sub so good luck or bad luck and for who we see later hahahaha        

[XHulkX]

And that is how a pay per month customer (on a higher rate) it i lost and made to say fuck it use all the things you can and give as less revenue to them as they give updates to you :) that is how you get back at them where they get hurt    AT THE POKETS!!!

[Akali]

AkalI I am sorry but I see you keep on it it is not about what they do for themselves cause for themselves they do take some money, they do not do this from the goodness of they're hart or fr volunteer they do for a check that is called business, that is called work. A BUSINESS LETS ITS CLIENTS KNOW WHEN THEY IN VACATION OR THIS VACATION WAS WAY TO LONG IT IS NOT ABOUT X MASS TIME IS ABOUT ALL THIS TIME LOL.Sorry but this is all i can say so i do not worry about they'r good quality time and so on if they do not care of mine.

Im not keeping on about it I was responding to someone who quoted me. I know its a business im not stupid but it dont mean that we cant be human and remember that they have their lives to attend to just like we do. Im sure they are trying really hard to give us updates as fast as they possibly can. If we want the same quality that they are giving us compared to other games like this then we have to be patient, simply complaining on every chance we get won't necessarily make the updates come faster.They probably are working on all these things and have all these ideas like new graphic engine coming but im sure that will take lots of time. 

[Guest RobT]

While i get that the original posters wasnt in fact attacking anybody , The way it was worded was a complete fail and just like soooooo  many here anytime anyone discusses anything pose related, it always comes back to what they perceive as the devs being lazy. The issue is that far to often no matter what the discussion is, people are so upset or angry that the conversation will always swing to that, Because they will make it happen.

 

I will close with this,  I get that some just want what they think will be a better product but here is the kicker........ The definition of a better product is different for almost every person here and no matter what they do, It wont be the correct thing for some. 

[Guest SayaX]

A pay a subscription for a game that still in beta, and if you know soething about videogame worls, you know that games with more succes are those games who listen the comunity, yea, bec if you have forget that is a game.

 

And is a bit rude take our money whitout letting us know what they are doing, dont you think?

 

First of all, beta software refers to computer software that is undergoing testing and has not yet been officially released, so calling 3DXChat a beta product is incorrect.

 

I disagree that the best games or best products in general come from asking the community. It doesn't relate to games but if Henry Ford had asked people what they want then the would have asked for a bigger or faster horse. Another example is Apple, the richest company on the planet. Do they ask the community? No. There are a lot of big games out there who also don't ask the community. That is beside the point though. The fact is there is a large community who do get to voice their opinion. This forum is a perfect example of that. The developers don't have to provide it but they do.

 

However developers get their requirements, through the community or internal interests they still only have limited capacity and have to prioritise. These are not only new features but could also be security and stability improvements. Resources are not infinite and it up to the developers or owners to decide how those resources are best spent. If you don't agree with their choices then you can always vote with your feet and stop your sub, which to me is democracy and capitalism at work.

 

As for about democracy in the forum. As I have said opinions and criticism are always welcome when they are constructive. Just making un constructive arguments like the one in thread closed. That is up to the moderators to strike a fine balance of when something is constructive or just directed at someone with no substance, otherwise there is just anarchy which is not the same as democracy. I think the mods do a great job on the forums and keep good healthy discussion open while closing threads that serve no value.

[Deelicous]

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If ever a thread needed a mouse head!

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

First of all, beta software refers to computer software that is undergoing testing and has not yet been officially released, so calling 3DXChat a beta product is incorrect.

 

I disagree that the best games or best products in general come from asking the community. It doesn't relate to games but if Henry Ford had asked people what they want then the would have asked for a bigger or faster horse. Another example is Apple, the richest company on the planet. Do they ask the community? No. There are a lot of big games out there who also don't ask the community. That is beside the point though. The fact is there is a large community who do get to voice their opinion. This forum is a perfect example of that. The developers don't have to provide it but they do.

Big and good games do not ask , but they always listen or they feel what community need in a moment . Every project  needs feedback .

It is a product and it should pay off .  No players = No money = Game over . Isn`t it ?

Previously I had a different opinion and it was wrong .

[Guest RobT]

Well, they might be more receptive if people here actually knew what they wanted.. I see 20 posts wanting something different. If the community was unified in the improvements they wanted and not going off in 20 diff directions.

[Guest RobT]

I can remember when people were begging for a new location and what happened when they got it?  They moaned and complained it was a club, it was too big, it was NC 2.0 etc. 

 

Honestly if i was a dev and read half this shit, I would ignore you also.  As far as you saying the biggest and best places listen and do what the community asks.... take a look at the biggest avatar/chat based game there is and poll the community there and see how much they listen. i'll give you a hint, they dont. I know because im a paying member. Companys have there own roadmaps and rarely deviate from them. 

[Riela]

I can remember when people were begging for a new location and what happened when they got it?  They moaned and complained it was a club, it was too big, it was NC 2.0 etc. 

which would be lovely if devs actually read may I show you?

 

Look at this site >

http://3dxchat.idea.informer.com/

 

That's site they used from start until the 2015.

Look at all the user polls that were posted last / start of this year. Then look feedback forums and count how many mention of club you will find compared to park or otherzones and even other features.

 

Your argument is that they add something and people complain, the thing is it's dev job to rotate updates and aim to please every part of their audience as well when adding some large new feature that took 12 months to develop (since the announcement in 2014) to make sure it pleases most of your fan base and fits into the game. Even more when you lie and present it as 2015 BDAY gift when in fact it was announced last year and just delayed for over 12 months.

It's same as deal with it glasses, iceberg or female beard, masks and another features NO ONE REQUESTED yet were added.

It just shows how out of touch dev team really is with their community.

 

Lots social people aren't even happy with the club... because they dislike cubs

[Cordelia]

There is nothing worse than people who moan and whine about people that moan and whine.

 

RobT said...

 

 

I can remember when people were begging for a new location and what happened when they got it?  They moaned and complained it was a club, it was too big, it was NC 2.0 etc.

 

 

New wallpaper, floor coverings and paint does not a new apartment make.

I can remember when people were begging for a new location and giving excellent examples of what they would like to see. I don't think (and I may be wrong) that anyone asked for a club, based on an old idea from some other gaming company.

[Guest RobT]

as ive said 100 times. the issue is that everyone wants something diff. part of the members want a casino, part want sex poses, another want decorations for rooms. Now people want rooms combined. If the communinity as a whole isnt unified, why would they listen because no matter what they do, In the mind of half the people here it wont be the right thing.

[Riela]

First of all, beta software refers to computer software that is undergoing testing and has not yet been officially released, so calling 3DXChat a beta product is incorrect.

 

I disagree that the best games or best products in general come from asking the community. It doesn't relate to games but if Henry Ford had asked people what they want then the would have asked for a bigger or faster horse. Another example is Apple, the richest company on the planet. Do they ask the community? No. There are a lot of big games out there who also don't ask the community. That is beside the point though. The fact is there is a large community who do get to voice their opinion. This forum is a perfect example of that. The developers don't have to provide it but they do.

 

However developers get their requirements, through the community or internal interests they still only have limited capacity and have to prioritise. These are not only new features but could also be security and stability improvements. Resources are not infinite and it up to the developers or owners to decide how those resources are best spent. If you don't agree with their choices then you can always vote with your feet and stop your sub, which to me is democracy and capitalism at work.

 

As for about democracy in the forum. As I have said opinions and criticism are always welcome when they are constructive. Just making un constructive arguments like the one in thread closed. That is up to the moderators to strike a fine balance of when something is constructive or just directed at someone with no substance, otherwise there is just anarchy which is not the same as democracy. I think the mods do a great job on the forums and keep good healthy discussion open while closing threads that serve no value.

Absolutely you have no idea what you talking about

Lets talk apple / google >

 

Turn on your Idevice / android and look how much information it is collecting, for what kind of pictures you collect, to what aps you use most, to location, to everything

They basically track every aspect of your life with phone unless you opt out.

If you really think they dont see feedback you are wrong. so very wrong.

Turn on Lumia and it ask you to share everything with microsoft.

Windows 10, 8, 7 - all take feedback, not just from forums but from your own data unless you turn telemetry off.

 

Big part of it's add revenue but other part is to stay at top, So many companies buy ideas that become popular like snapchat or whatsup or whatever cool kids are doing these days.

 

As for games -

Heroes of the storm - people complained match making is really awful at the launch of the game, Do you know what happened? blizzard reworked it with ranked play and everything.

Witcher 2, 3 - People complained about combat, features, stuff not working - Devs adjusted everything in that game to make it work better. not bug fixes but actual features.

CS GO - people bitched about new revolver... week later it was nerfed.

 

Early access games - the whole point of it is to leave feedback.

 

Those are example from this year.

[Guest Skar]

as ive said 100 times. the issue is that everyone wants something diff. part of the members want a casino, part want sex poses, another want decorations for rooms. Now people want rooms combined. If the communinity as a whole isnt unified, why would they listen because no matter what they do, In the mind of half the people here it wont be the right thing.

It even funnier when someone say that he is done with a thread only to come back a few time as if it was too hard to just let go.

 

It almost as bad then someone that left the game and still stalked the forum. Kinda like me. Lol

[JessicaX]

OMG! FrenchTouch makes content for the game and all people can do is bitch whine and moan because they don't like it?  If you don't like the dances, then don't use them. if you want something different, then feel free to make your own content for 3dx for free like she does. If you are going to get upset for lack of content, then be pissed off at Devs. I love the new dances and I very much appreciate all that French has done for us.

Keep in mind she does this for free on her own time. If you are going to complain about it, then let's see what you are capable of and make your own content so we can all judge your work. And don't even dare try to say it wasn't directed at FT because it clearly was, or else the complaints about dances 11-13 wouldn't even be an issue. 

How about you be thankful she is doing these things for us instead of being ungrateful.

To the "this is a sex game" crowd...  No it isn't. In any case, if that's how you feel, surely you wont be around long anyhow because the sheer boredom of your closed mind will soon drive you away.

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

If Playboy was sloppy in the selection of content , if content is not liked even a small percentage of readers , then Playboy wouldn't have been so popular . Hefner could lose reputation and money ( just for exemple ) . 

I didn't see what FT did (I like her initiative) , but I remember that half a year ago some of the dancing animations looked strange . Wierd . Not realistic . That's an understatement . But sometimes so funny x)

I love looking at new work from the players and some works I really like . It's a matter of taste of each player . I wish them all success , and success to our developers in the proper selection of content . 

Every content in the game is a face of whole product . 

ps: and finally . i wish to devs make a "working" character feet and some content about sneakers etc .

peace