TamsinUK

I have been watching this thread. I think that more people would renew their subscriptions if the bullies were removed from the game. To do this people must make reports. The moderators should act on these reports. I think that only the bullies want to spend the time making reports. I think the moderators do act on the reports they get. I think many reports they have are an interpretation of something that was not meant.
 
I make an edit here. I think it is important that people should make reports when they see something that is wrong.

I read the first two posts of that thread. There was nothing there that was offensive. I think that someone made a false narrative, created drama and got the thread deleted. I say this now because I think the people who were active in turning threads bad earlier this year are doing it again.
 
This thread is about what people like about 3dxChat and not about creating drama or deleted threads. Discussion of this topic can be found here: http://3dxforum.com/index.php?/topic/6471-dissappearing-threads/
 
If further discussion is required I suggest making a new thread.

I log in for many reasons. I follow threads that catch my interest. I like people who say something that  has meaning to them. I do not like the way some people make it impossible for dialogue to happen. I like the way posts reveal the person behind the avatar without revealing real life. I like it when people feel able to say a little about their real.

I repeat that this thread allows people to say what they like most about 3dxChat. I invite more people to do this, if they would like to.

I write this because Rockster's poll turned into a discussion about is 3dxChat just a sex game or something else as well. The results seem to show that there is much more to the game than sex alone. There was also a thread about good things about 3dxChat which appears to have been deleted. I did not see anything that could explain this. I think this is a chance for people to say what they like about 3dxChat without controversy.
 
When I played the game I enjoyed meeting people from other cultures. I did not meet anyone who I felt comfortable enough with to really enjoy sex with. I hope that I will when I join again. I look forward to making new friends too.
 
 

I read the first two posts of that thread. There was nothing there that was offensive. I think that someone made a false narrative, created drama and got the thread deleted. I say this now because I think the people who were active in turning threads bad earlier this year are doing it again.
 
This thread is about what people like about 3dxChat and not about creating drama or deleted threads. Discussion of this topic can be found here: http://3dxforum.com/index.php?/topic/6471-dissappearing-threads/
 
If further discussion is required I suggest making a new thread.

I think there are more things to like about 3dxChat. I hoped this thread would be an opportunity for as many people as possible to say what they like about the game.

I write this because Rockster's poll turned into a discussion about is 3dxChat just a sex game or something else as well. The results seem to show that there is much more to the game than sex alone. There was also a thread about good things about 3dxChat which appears to have been deleted. I did not see anything that could explain this. I think this is a chance for people to say what they like about 3dxChat without controversy.
 
When I played the game I enjoyed meeting people from other cultures. I did not meet anyone who I felt comfortable enough with to really enjoy sex with. I hope that I will when I join again. I look forward to making new friends too.
 
 

I think we have seen that the people who get threads deleted are the same people who create drama and make threads go bad.

I do not expect this to stay. There is something I want to say. The moderators make their decisions using the information they are given.
 
I think the bullies turn threads they don't like bad so that the moderators have to remove them. Intercessional said that he/she is not concerned enough about the issue of the rooms to have an opinion. He/she feels strongly enough to criticise somebody for trying to do something. That is like the person who attacks the Big Issue seller when they do not feel strongly enough about homelessness to buy a copy.
 
I make an edit here. I think I have made a mistake.

I read the first two posts of that thread. There was nothing there that was offensive. I think that someone made a false narrative, created drama and got the thread deleted. I say this now because I think the people who were active in turning threads bad earlier this year are doing it again.
 
This thread is about what people like about 3dxChat and not about creating drama or deleted threads. Discussion of this topic can be found here: http://3dxforum.com/index.php?/topic/6471-dissappearing-threads/
 
If further discussion is required I suggest making a new thread.

I came to England about five years ago because it was not safe for me to stay in my country. I had lost my husband a few months before. Most of my friends were already gone.

 

I was lucky, I had enough money to start a business. My business was used by people who had also left my country so I became involved in working with refugees. I had a good life but nobody to share it with. It was very rewarding working with people who had fled wars, but tiring too. Women who came to England with nothing were making lives for themselves. I joined the game to relax and not to be lonely any more.

 

I had some good experiences in this game. I met some very nice people. But it didn't change my loneliness. I left and joined again a short while later. I had an experience which I was not happy about and left again.

 

I am writing this now because I am thinking about why I want to join the game again. I am thinking about what I want from the game before I do. I tell my story to invite other people to do the same. I think everybody has a story to tell that is worth reading. It could be about why you joined. It could be something funny, or interesting, that has happened in the game. It doesn't have to be related to the game at all, just a nice story about something that means something to you.

 

I came to England about five years ago because it was not safe for me to stay in my country. I had lost my husband a few months before. Most of my friends were already gone.

 

I was lucky, I had enough money to start a business. My business was used by people who had also left my country so I became involved in working with refugees. I had a good life but nobody to share it with. It was very rewarding working with people who had fled wars, but tiring too. Women who came to England with nothing were making lives for themselves. I joined the game to relax and not to be lonely any more.

 

I had some good experiences in this game. I met some very nice people. But it didn't change my loneliness. I left and joined again a short while later. I had an experience which I was not happy about and left again.

 

I am writing this now because I am thinking about why I want to join the game again. I am thinking about what I want from the game before I do. I tell my story to invite other people to do the same. I think everybody has a story to tell that is worth reading. It could be about why you joined. It could be something funny, or interesting, that has happened in the game. It doesn't have to be related to the game at all, just a nice story about something that means something to you.

 

I came to England about five years ago because it was not safe for me to stay in my country. I had lost my husband a few months before. Most of my friends were already gone.

 

I was lucky, I had enough money to start a business. My business was used by people who had also left my country so I became involved in working with refugees. I had a good life but nobody to share it with. It was very rewarding working with people who had fled wars, but tiring too. Women who came to England with nothing were making lives for themselves. I joined the game to relax and not to be lonely any more.

 

I had some good experiences in this game. I met some very nice people. But it didn't change my loneliness. I left and joined again a short while later. I had an experience which I was not happy about and left again.

 

I am writing this now because I am thinking about why I want to join the game again. I am thinking about what I want from the game before I do. I tell my story to invite other people to do the same. I think everybody has a story to tell that is worth reading. It could be about why you joined. It could be something funny, or interesting, that has happened in the game. It doesn't have to be related to the game at all, just a nice story about something that means something to you.

 

Thank you RobPathfinder. That was very honest of you. I respect that. Not all stories have to be serious. I hope some other people will share a story that says something about them. It needn't reveal anything about the person's real life.

I came to England about five years ago because it was not safe for me to stay in my country. I had lost my husband a few months before. Most of my friends were already gone.

 

I was lucky, I had enough money to start a business. My business was used by people who had also left my country so I became involved in working with refugees. I had a good life but nobody to share it with. It was very rewarding working with people who had fled wars, but tiring too. Women who came to England with nothing were making lives for themselves. I joined the game to relax and not to be lonely any more.

 

I had some good experiences in this game. I met some very nice people. But it didn't change my loneliness. I left and joined again a short while later. I had an experience which I was not happy about and left again.

 

I am writing this now because I am thinking about why I want to join the game again. I am thinking about what I want from the game before I do. I tell my story to invite other people to do the same. I think everybody has a story to tell that is worth reading. It could be about why you joined. It could be something funny, or interesting, that has happened in the game. It doesn't have to be related to the game at all, just a nice story about something that means something to you.

 

I came to England about five years ago because it was not safe for me to stay in my country. I had lost my husband a few months before. Most of my friends were already gone.

 

I was lucky, I had enough money to start a business. My business was used by people who had also left my country so I became involved in working with refugees. I had a good life but nobody to share it with. It was very rewarding working with people who had fled wars, but tiring too. Women who came to England with nothing were making lives for themselves. I joined the game to relax and not to be lonely any more.

 

I had some good experiences in this game. I met some very nice people. But it didn't change my loneliness. I left and joined again a short while later. I had an experience which I was not happy about and left again.

 

I am writing this now because I am thinking about why I want to join the game again. I am thinking about what I want from the game before I do. I tell my story to invite other people to do the same. I think everybody has a story to tell that is worth reading. It could be about why you joined. It could be something funny, or interesting, that has happened in the game. It doesn't have to be related to the game at all, just a nice story about something that means something to you.

 

I use the hug button the same way I hug people in real. If they are friends and I am saying hi then yes. Often if a friend is introducing me to someone i will use the hug as a way of 'shaking hands' but I hate it when some person walks right up to and just suddenly hugs you. Thats annoying as hell.  Some people will do it even when you are standing obviously chatting with someone. It's just rude. 

I came to England about five years ago because it was not safe for me to stay in my country. I had lost my husband a few months before. Most of my friends were already gone.

 

I was lucky, I had enough money to start a business. My business was used by people who had also left my country so I became involved in working with refugees. I had a good life but nobody to share it with. It was very rewarding working with people who had fled wars, but tiring too. Women who came to England with nothing were making lives for themselves. I joined the game to relax and not to be lonely any more.

 

I had some good experiences in this game. I met some very nice people. But it didn't change my loneliness. I left and joined again a short while later. I had an experience which I was not happy about and left again.

 

I am writing this now because I am thinking about why I want to join the game again. I am thinking about what I want from the game before I do. I tell my story to invite other people to do the same. I think everybody has a story to tell that is worth reading. It could be about why you joined. It could be something funny, or interesting, that has happened in the game. It doesn't have to be related to the game at all, just a nice story about something that means something to you.

 

I came to England about five years ago because it was not safe for me to stay in my country. I had lost my husband a few months before. Most of my friends were already gone.

 

I was lucky, I had enough money to start a business. My business was used by people who had also left my country so I became involved in working with refugees. I had a good life but nobody to share it with. It was very rewarding working with people who had fled wars, but tiring too. Women who came to England with nothing were making lives for themselves. I joined the game to relax and not to be lonely any more.

 

I had some good experiences in this game. I met some very nice people. But it didn't change my loneliness. I left and joined again a short while later. I had an experience which I was not happy about and left again.

 

I am writing this now because I am thinking about why I want to join the game again. I am thinking about what I want from the game before I do. I tell my story to invite other people to do the same. I think everybody has a story to tell that is worth reading. It could be about why you joined. It could be something funny, or interesting, that has happened in the game. It doesn't have to be related to the game at all, just a nice story about something that means something to you.

 

I always wanted to be a soldier, I lived in a country that a civil war. I joined the military for 4 years, got into a wreck 2 years in injured my neck and back. I extended 3 more years, kept pushing myself but the injury was making it harder to just do normal things. I got extended 10 more months,and got out, had to. Woke up one day with my legs just not working, took about 1/2 an hour them to move. It was the stress. I gave body time to heal hoping to return to the military, had enough college education to meet the next two rank promotions. 2015 i started working out like a mad man, determined to return in the military by 2016's summer. At work i had an accident, ladder I was on broke, 12 foot drop onto my back. Spent the begin of 2016 here staying sane, while in RL i was told it was over, I was too injured to return to military. Right now i am pushing myself to get into shape, the injuries keep popping up, but fuck it, ain't gonna stay down. As for in the game I build to relax my mind, talk and fuck around to keep myself from feeling depressed. As for RL, lifting weights then putting ice on mainly my neck real nerve damage. We get one life, when shit happens we either stay down or keep going. RL, I don't like staying down..

I came to England about five years ago because it was not safe for me to stay in my country. I had lost my husband a few months before. Most of my friends were already gone.

 

I was lucky, I had enough money to start a business. My business was used by people who had also left my country so I became involved in working with refugees. I had a good life but nobody to share it with. It was very rewarding working with people who had fled wars, but tiring too. Women who came to England with nothing were making lives for themselves. I joined the game to relax and not to be lonely any more.

 

I had some good experiences in this game. I met some very nice people. But it didn't change my loneliness. I left and joined again a short while later. I had an experience which I was not happy about and left again.

 

I am writing this now because I am thinking about why I want to join the game again. I am thinking about what I want from the game before I do. I tell my story to invite other people to do the same. I think everybody has a story to tell that is worth reading. It could be about why you joined. It could be something funny, or interesting, that has happened in the game. It doesn't have to be related to the game at all, just a nice story about something that means something to you.

 

The OP is about discussing the Terms of Service and if they are applied consistently. Room stealing is stealing someone's creation. The Terms of Service allow this to happen. It is correct to discuss if the rules work in this case. I think people who make things would like rules to protect their work.
 
I do not think it is against Terms of Service to discuss the rules themselves or if they are applied consistently. I think the rules prohibit discussion about moderators' decisions in any specific case. That rule is there to protect the moderators from any legal challenge to any decision. It is not there to prevent free speech about any topic. Forbidden topics are elsewhere in the Terms of Service.
 
It is good business sense to consider the opinions of customers.

https://www.r-word.org/
 
Put this in here cuz I am extraordinarily PC. I know I know I am a pain in the ass. 

Rob -  I think you have committed Blueism.
Time and time again you reoffend.
Its not fair and you should re-evaluate your standards -  There is nothing wrong with blue!
 

 

 
 
Back to topic:
 
In essence this topic is about freedom of speech and expressing our views in a none troll like way.
Every has an opinion and most I think want everything to be  fair and wise.
 
Life is not always fair but we live with it.
Rules on a site like this prevent true freedom for the good of the community, and that is only right  ie  no verbal abuse or bullying 
 
The only way to make change is to discuss and compromise and persuade those who can make changes that this is a better solution to the issue to try and resolve.
Way up the pros and cons  -  (from Latin prō for + con, from contrā against) 
 
The root of all this evil is the issue of room stealling or copying and how to deal with it.
Room builders are rightly annoyed that their creations are taken without permission. 
In society laws were made to prevent such things like copyright, theft, fraud laws.
We all know it is morally wrong as well.
 
Room builders have tried to address this issue themselves and have very kindly advertised their free rooms and people like myself who are none builders have taken advantage of their generosities and I now have houses and clubs to enjoy.
 
There is no need to steal a room at all.
 
So the people who do it are trying to cause drama, continue drama thats already in existance or are just plain thieving little bastards.
 
Is this the kind of people 3dxchat want to attract?  I suggest not.
 
The 3DXChat community itself is trying to address this issue but also needs positive action and feedback from the Devs here.
 
1. The community itself has tried to address this setting up a topic for registering their room first. This should then prove ownership as it is publicly stated.  The owner of the room keeps a note of the unique reference for that post in any copying dispute when they report the matter to 3DX  (See less work..  the proof is handed to them in one post )
 
Here is the room registration topic.     http://3dxforum.com/index.php?/topic/7091-official-room-ownership-thread/
 
Well done to JessicaX for trying to find a solution to it.
 
2. If a room has been copied,  then a screen shot by the room owner along with a note showing all the similarities needs to be obtained so the Devs can compare rooms. The proof as they say is in the pudding. Again the Devs have no work to do except read the complaint and compare pics in a one post moment.   No Registration & no pics = No action.
 
3. This is where we need the Devs to back up  and support the community and make it clear that copyng rooms will not be tolerated.
If the judgement agrees with the complainant, then the "culprit" should be banned for a set time as decided by 3DXChat. Repeat offenders should attract longer bans. An appeal process can be added but if the room is not registered in above topic... tough basically.. a lesson well learnt afterwards by the original builder. Only 1 appeal is allowed and the Devs decision is final. 
 
4. The Devs should perhaps add a caveat in their rules, that any proven copying of members rooms will be dealt with severely and will attract temporary bans or  could even lead to a permanent ban from the game.
 
I think even room thieves could not argue the injustice of above and can only blame their own actions should they be at the receiving end of a ban.
 
5. The Devs acted correctly in banning the member temporarily who advertised the hack.  Room copying and the tools to do it should be a suspend offence. 
 
This is my thoughts on it all and seems sensible to me. I just hope the Devs look at the issue and deal with it for the good of the community and their paying customers.
 
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Pros -
1, The community has provided a solution for the issue irritating them and is fair to all
2. The community understand the requirements of proof for such a complaint.
3. The Devs have a one stop read to make their judgement.
4. A caveat will warn future and current members, room copying will not be tolerated
5. There is only one appeal process and the Devs decsion is final.
 
 
Cons -
1.The Devs need to update their rules with a caveat and support offending by a ban
2. The Devs may, depending on how rife the issue is, deal with more complaints and possibly 1 appeal process for each.
3. Maybe set up an adjudication topic so that judgements are publically known. This will also support that room copying is not tolerated.
 
I'm sure there are more pros and cons.   They can be added and addressed in any future points made by members.
I just hope the Devs will support their members on this.