Loruna

3 hours ago, Gizmo said:

So, 3DXChat and all the gaming content are now more attractive in pricing than ever before. Any adult can afford a subscription to be a member of 3DXChat community.

This is exactly what I've been saying all the time when people complain about a subscription model for a game. If you cant afford $10-20 (which is mostly the prices for a subscription game not only 3dx. Yea yea, there are surely more expensive ones) then you definitely have more important things to attend to than a Video game. 

A "money-wall" is good against Bots and trolls, but as we see with all those dance crews, its not the ultimate solution... but a free to play version, would make everything worse. I think its good if it stays how it is right now.

13 minutes ago, Tsela said:

Well I don't know how many times it was quoted by others that Gizmo literally said that pose editor is coming and it will be a big feature of the game. He said exactly that. YEARS passed since then.

As I said, I have no problem with difficulties, or some things might be scraped, as long as developers stay honest about it. Otherwise sure I can say that I will build a spaceship irl. Talking is cheap.

 

BESIDES. YOU don't have to find excuses for others, since I didn't ask YOU about this. You are not in charge of coding or anything. So you only have some "opinions" of you own.

I appreciate your opinions, but I just explained the reason why quite a lot of that frustration about promised features, that people are talking about are completely justified, even if some might be rude also while voicing their concerns

You are posting in a public forum. If you dont like it, when people answer you, even if you tag a specific person, you should probably try to reach out to him by PM. And to add to this: I was working with the devs. I know one or two tricks and intern stuff about them. So I have a reason to my "opinions" and why they are valid.

I get that many people are upset, but our devs are just humans like us. They cant make things done 100% because there is always something that could maybe not work. As for the pose editor. I asked for an proof or evidence that they said they would release it. All you say is that "many said, that Gizmo said" and that thing is always dangerous. When I was working for them, this rumour did break lose because Gizmo said, they would try to get it to work. Thats what he said. He did not guarantee it but people interpeted exactly that into his words. That being said... If you give me a proper proof that I am wrong, I will gladly take those words back and criticize them/him as well. 

Listen, I dont want to find excuses for them. If someone follows my twitter, they know, that I criticize them alot lately. Just saying... nearly half an year ago, they said "in a few weeks" we will get the new poses. And even now, with the Beta, we still dont get all of the announced or previewed poses. Thats what makes me really upset.
BUT I stay fair to them. And this pose editor thing is just a damn curse in this community. For years it goes around and around and people still dont understand or accept it, that this feature will most likely not be in the game any time soon. 

7 hours ago, Tsela said:

@Gizmo I also agree with her points here, although I dismissed the rest of anger issues in that post.

Indeed she's right, because some things were NEVER implemented in 5 years like for example re introducing the TV feature to play our videos and such, when back then it was some talk about changing from FLASH to HTML and it will be reimplemented.

You see, most of the things cause frustration when you promise something, like pose editor, or that video feature to be back, or many other features like the clothing editor and such, and later we get some fuck poses in the update, some hairstyles and we call it a day, and no mentions about them again.

We are all adults, and it would be far easier if you would just say: Hey, we met some issues implementing this or that, sorry, we will not do it.

Sure we might complain a bit about some features we were looking forward to, but at least you were honest about it, and we move on. Can't do it, let's see then what else can be done then, and we walk towards the next cool thing

While I agree its frustrating when promises are made but not fullfilled, I have two things to say about that:

1. In game development, it can happen that you want to do things, even promise them, but then see that they wont work as you want them to work and disregard it. They could say/announce that this or that promise wont be fullfilled, but that will cause a huge shitstorm. If you are long on this forum we've experienced them very often. So either way, if they tell us this or that wont work, or stay silent. Both will end in a shitstorm because people here tend to think they are entitled to some features. So if they choose the path, where they dont have to deal with this shitstorm and repeating a statement over and over again (like in this thread here for example the breast poses), I actually understand it. I dont like it, but understand it.

2. I have yet to see a proof where they promised the pose editor. Yes, they said, they will try and look if its doable, but they never said "We WILL bring it!". At least I dont know about any statement of that kind. I could be wrong of course so please, share me the proof of that, if I am wrong here. Because I read that pose editor argument so often, but never saw an actual proof of it.

15 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

Haha, yes you are right, we were the first to officially integrate Lovense toys. And we also announced a 50% discount at the beginning of the Covida pandemic. We did this to support people so that everyone could stay in touch with friends and continue to socialise so that everyone could deal with the isolation more easily. By the way, the 50% discount on all subscriptions is still active.
Do you think this is a planned business move? Haha, thanks, but we're just doing what we love - making a dream game. That's all).

Honestly. I thought that 50% off thing is indeed by accident but thinking about it, you guys would be really blind if that is by accident  

Truth be told: Because of those 50% off, I was able to stay in 3dx all the time. I had some rough weeks and months and without that 50% off, I would have canceled my membership for financial reasons. So thanks for that! 

5 hours ago, Xizi said:

And since there is a discussion about breasts and all, I also wanted to ask about piercings. Is there a reason why we don't have any or it is just about priorities? Because, accessory system is in game for a long time already, but there is still no nipples/navel/face piercings while it's obviously has a lot of demand. 

Nipple piercings in particular... Is it also a problem because of different breasts/nipples sizes and physics? Maybe it is possible to implement it in a... not a perfect way (but still as a an object, not as a texture ), but in a way that it would work?

I cant tell for sure for 3dx but I also create nsfw mods for WoW. And there its pretty easy to add stuff like nipplepiercing or even a dick for the futa fans . You pretty much tell it to follow the Nipple. On that way it should be irrelevant what size the breast is and what movement it has. But I can be fully wrong with that though, since every game has its own way of dealing with 3d-Models.

As I am a huge fan of nipplepiercings (and considering to get one irl as well, when I have enough money) I truly hope, they will get them into the game very soon. As I said in an earlier post, even the pirate servers could manage it. So our devs surely can manage that as well.

2 minutes ago, MrPickles2022 said:

High quality huh maybe but why on earth would they make a pose where your masturbating upside down and cum in your own mouth that's the dumbest shit ive ever seen i think. i mean really is their a demand for that but hey i guess its in high quality so it was a priority ......... LOOOL anyways thank you Loruna i do appreciate your responses this is more info ive gotten in 4 yrs of ranting about this one topic cause of the lack of communication on the Big Bosses part to his customers. 

Well... I dont know about that pose as well... I mean... I bet there are people having such a fetish or kink but it looks indeed awkward to me xD But lets not shame kinks. I can imagine some mistresses would force their male subs into that pose and let them swallow their own cum. 

My pleasure to answer you As said, I'd love such a pose as well, but it wouldnt work properly right now. And since I worked for them, I can give somewhat intel about their processes etc. Allthough this is long ago and I dont know if the situation is still the same or if they have something in store in that matter.

6 minutes ago, MrPickles2022 said:

look i understand there are limitations with a fully integrated nipple sucking pose but if other games not advanced as 3dx can do it surely yall can to and we aren't talking bout a complete fully engagement of the nipple even a pose that closely simulates the head in that general area is better than not having one at all we are not all using first person looking in depth at the exact precise location of the lips but at least a pose that would somewhat imitate that action can surely be done that's all I'm saying . when i for example eat a dick pop that dick is not no where near my mouth like it would be it looks like im telling you to shhh with a big ol penis ...:P So i say isn't there a happy medium to at least a pose imitating nipple sucking 

that's all I'm asking for is close enough to rp that action and it somewhat look as though it is happening

You can RP the action with other poses as well.

BUT there is only one way I can think off but this wont happen: They could use the breast size of the template model (which is about the middle of the slider) and create the pose based on that. While you have the size of that template model, the pose will look good. But as soon as someone has bigger or smaller breasts, the clipping or air-sucking will begin. And personally, this would ruin the imagination. But as far as I know, they dont want that because they want high qualtiy poses and that is not a high qualtiy. There are two poses in the game, where they tried to make a hand touch the breasts and depending on the breastsizes it looks good or bad.

So I'd prefer they leave it out. Dont get me wrong. I have a huge breast fetish and I love when my partners suck on my boobs and caressing them.

3 hours ago, MrPickles2022 said:

ok so what happened with the food and drink then if we can take a bite 1ft away from our face looking all kinds of stupid like, why cant we have our face buried inside some big ol DD's or even just our face down on the womans chest i don't see why that isn't possible? Let me ask you a question Gizmo ... You said back in 2018ish that it was not possible for us to ever have titty fucking poses because of the various breast sizes and the fact that our cock is only one size but low and behold after a lot of bitching and complaining from your customers look what happened in that next update. We got em because you guys figured out a way around the situation I'm not talking our lips need to be perfectly sitting in the nipple but can yall construct something somewhat close enough to simulate the act is all a lot of people of people want that all. Yall are doing a great job in some aspects but i don't think integrating more Lovense toys and making that priority over the fundamentals isnt smart   but thats just my opinion is all 

Did you notice, that in that titjob pose, the women does not touch her breasts at all? That was the limitation I had to create that pose. No touching/pushing/holding with hands or mouth and until somehow they change the entire system how poses work, this will be set in stone. Or do you want them to create a pose, where you lick/suck on the side of the boobs? Because that could probably work.

51 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

Hey, don't get so upset.) I understand that you really want this feature, and here's the thing: characters' breasts can be very small or huge. Also, breasts work on the physics system, not the animation system. This is all I'm saying so that you can better understand the technical details. In short, our developers have yet to manage to do what you're asking for because of the difficulty of doing it at a high enough quality level.

What do you think about that? Have I made the reason clear enough?

Funny... I've been explaining that since I got into the pose creation within 3dx 3 years ago. And people still dont understand it.

I like to use this pic to show why this is a hard thing to do. Simple said: With maxed breasts, the head would be clipping into the breasts and with the smallest breasts, you'd lick air. Not a really pleasent thing. And until that system gets changed, it will stay like that.

16 minutes ago, Aeliana1999 said:

Wait, this game allowed for "not having to agree to every single pose"? And you guys could teleport as a couple? 

Whay is that not in the game??? And what free servers are you talking about, with TVs that worked?

Because that "auto accepting" was considered to be "rape". Dont know how people can get raped in a game where you can abort the sex at any time, but well... that was one of the reasons.

The teleport thing was patched out couple of updates ago. I cant tell the exact time, but I think last year or 2 years ago it got patched out. The reason was, so the people wont go where they are not supposed to go.

The free servers are more or less illegal. They are pirate servers and some of them are hosted by creepy people and I wont ever give them my data, but maybe thats just my over cautious attitude talking here. I dont recommend to go there as a player, BUT I recommend our devs to have a sneak peak into those servers, because some of them seem to have exactly what the community always wanted. Nipplepiercings for one... or better hairstyles.

I dont like, that we get again highwaist Pants, but thats just a personal preference. Overall I think thats a great set of features heading its way into the game. The poses look super clean and I really like the variety of them. Intended or not, in some poses I see even some Ideas I had when I was creating poses back in the day. I'm glad that they found their way into the game on a different way.

Thanks for that Beta! I think many will enjoy testing it  

Happy Birthday 3DXChat! I criticize alot what you do in the last few months and years. BUT 3dxChat changed my life in a way I never expected.
I am in 3DXChat since 2016 and it has been a hell of a ride and you gave me a chance to improve my animationskills. I will never forget that opportunity.
Thank you for everything. No matter what you will do in the future, you will always have my gratitude 

I dont see how Discord is to complicated as you just have to add each other and thats it. 

But I truly truly truly hope, IF they decide to make 3dx Steam supported (which I think will never happen, but lets assume they do), that it will not be only through Steam because they would lose a big number of players since the german community is bigger than most think. And in Germany that Adult Content on Steam is blocked. Dont believe me? Try and find Subverse on Steam, when you live in germany.

Well... as far as I know: When you block the owner of the room, the room will disappear as well. I know, its not the best solution, but I think its the only thing we get in that matter.

And I agree. I was never a fan of those dance groups stuff. When it started with just a couple of people doing it, it was fine but now, it totally escalated.

26 minutes ago, Xizi said:

I never played WoW, but I played many other MMORPGs and such a behavior definitely not a common thing. Yeah, i have seen some desync here and there in other MMO games too - but never as much as I see it in 3dxchat. Every week, sometimes even every day I am getting these naked bald people and only game restart helps. I never played any MMORPG that would have such a big problems with it. So yeah, I don't think if its correct to call it "bug" or not, but it's definitely a 3dxchat's problem. Maybe bad servers. Maybe bad netcode. I dunno. But I know that it's irritating as hell and it's not a normal thing (at least as often/much as it happens in 3dxchat).

Ohh its definitely an issue of 3dxChat. The thing is, many people would never really see it in MMOs. For example in WoW you can see it with pets. When you run, your pet is directly next to you. But on other screens that pet is a few steps ahead of you. That is caused by the desync. The pet is controlled by the server so it has always the right position, but the player is a bit desynced. Its barely noticeable. 

But for sure its an issue, I wont deny that. It can be fixxed, no question

45 minutes ago, ☙𝔼𝕩❧ said:

This is not true because that can be a part of the game as well and a part of gamedev mistakes in their netcode. I never had problem in Overwatch(for example) because they have a good netcode. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netcode

Because Overwatch only connects 12 people at most and they are mostly on the same area. Its easy to have them sync (which they still not are, but you barely can notice the desync). But when you have many people connecting arround the world on one and the same server, you always have desync issues. Everyone experienced it in 3dx already. You have way less desync issues in a less populated room. Just remember how the 3dx Partys with 300+ people were desyncing. 

P.S.: I also said, its not only the games issue which means, it also can be the game of course as you say with the netcode. But usually its mainly a server issue in my experience. Sure, if the netcode is shit, even the best server will not help. But the other way arround as well. With a bad server, the best netcode will also not help.

1 hour ago, Xizi said:

Bug that I personally hate the most is when instead of avis I am seeing naked bald people. Or other people seeing me this way. It's not the end of the world of course, and restarting the game fixes it and does not take long, but... It just happens way too often. And is not getting a fix for many years. Very irritating. 

Well, that is an issue with the server. The game itself is not the issue there or not the main issue. Its the same issue as with the "walking against stairs/walls on other screens"-bug. Those are desync and loading issues and every online game has it. For example in WoW I see that every day. Just depends on how good those servers are and I doubt many good server provider would want to host a 3d Sex Game as this is still a controversal thing to do... Never understood why that is the case tho.

On 8/22/2023 at 1:14 AM, Xizi said:

And what do they have aside of character editor? They announced their game about a year ago and now after a year of development all they have a character editor? It does not even have clothes still. And its so terribly optimized that having only one 3d model under the lights puts my 3060 to the 100% load. Yeah, 3060 is a budget card but imagine what's going to happen if there will be not a one avi - but 50 in the club full of lights. What kind of GPU you'll need to run it smoothly? 4090? 

You peeps are getting impressed way too easily. It's a 2023, technically impressive graphics now is not something available to make only by highly professional developers, everyone who learned basics of working with UE5 can make something cool looking using it. But there a big difference between having an actual game with some optimisation, stability and content and just have a pretty graphics and nice customization.  

Even if this game is not some failed project or scam to get money from early access - it will be at least couple of years before its in properly playable state with decent amount of content, but considering that they working on it for already and year and has only character editor - probably it will take more. 

I'm still very sure, that this is only a scam. I was really excited and even funded that project so I could test the Alpha 1, but nothing yet. They wanted to release the Alpha in October but because of health issues (if true, then I hope for a speedy recovery and all the best) it gets delayed again. They say it will definitely be released in December but honestly, I doubt it.

But it proves one point, I always tried to get across when people blamed 3dx for slow development, which is partly true.

Developing a good stable game is more than many think. Its a really difficult process and this applies also on 3dx. But still... no Poses with the new update, which is 1 month ago already, is not a good sign in my book. But I am actually happy with the state of 3dx. There is only one major bug which is being stuck and unable to move when you had your fun and your partner leaves.

I think its good how it is right now. Yes, you may want it slow and sensual. But on the other hand, there are people that want it fast and hard right from the start.
You cant satisfy everyone so the best compromise is, to set the default speed to mid so every side has to slow or speed up. I think its the best solution for everyone.

1 hour ago, CatKatW said:

I wish that collaboration would resume.

Thank you

but i think, who ever creates the poses right now, does a great job. So, i doubt they need me.

You want to know why there are so few boob play poses? Look at that: 

Shows pretty good why there is not much breast play  I honestly wouldnt mind the clipping or "air massaging" (as in the pic) but the devs want the poses to be as realistc as possible... at least thats what they told me back then, when I worked for them. Dont know, maybe they changed their mind and we can see more boob poses.. dont know.

I honestly love those new features.

It seems the boosting sorting will be the default one and each of us can select if we want the rooms sort by numbers or by boosts.

And that we can select favos or search for names is by far the best thing in that matter. That will be really a quality of life update. Thanks in advance devs  

And really... I dont see how this could be a scam... I mean... those who hosts big rooms and maybe could get scammed by it as they boost their room every minute, waste thousands of xGold for gifts (or what ever payment they take, I dont know) for all of those dance groups.

Okay... I show you why penis size is a hard and difficult thing to change

This is a prime example how poses are made. Imagine poses to be a fix video which we activate and watch when we select a pose.
The penis size gets adjusted to every pose there is, to make it look "realistic".
In this pose, the penis got stretched so it would reach the pussy.
There is no general size that would be able to adjust and being applied to every pose.
In order to change the penis size, every single pose in this game has to be changed.
Thats just way to much work for the very "small" feature.

I get that there are people that prefer smaller dicks etc. but some always have to make compromises... like I have to do with those high waist pants

The issue with such a feature is, that soon you will have the "either you verify yourself or we riot you" mentality in the community.
That happend with Pandora as well couple of years ago. I experienced first hand, what it means to get hunted by fake hunters, because of this mentality.

I personally are highly against this. Its not that I wouldnt verify myself. I would do it. But there are many others who just dont want it, for whatever reason.
And those people will get be discriminated and excluded because of this mentality.

This is a game, and if you want to get into real relationships, you can use discord, cam or whatever to confirm it all and verify. But some other use this game for escaping reality. I know many guys and also girls, who play the other sex just because out of fun. They dont want to harm anyone, just enjoying time. And if people get to close to them, they tell what sex they are.

I am aware, that there are many idiots causing harm with stuff like this. My advice here would be: Dont trust directly anyone and most importantly, dont let people into your RL fast. Usually trolls lose their interest after 1 or 2 months. There are exceptions and some last a bit longer, but usually 1 or 2 months, in my experience.

Those are just my 10 cents... yea... inflation did hit me critical...

5 hours ago, Angelqueen said:

I would love to see similar or exactly the same things like these in the new patch! Thanks devs

Female tops:

Ohhh damn! That hairstyle! This is what we need in the game!

Ofc the top is also really awesome, but I'd prefer that hairstyle over the clothes!