Callista

One of the things that bothers me about this topic of discussion is that it's always the same people with the same arguments coming from both sides of the debate (myself included at times) speaking their mind without actually listening to what the other side is saying, the constant repetition of the same arguments often makes people frustrated to the point they give up discussing it entirely. Not aimed at anyone in particular but if you feel like this topic needs to be discussed then please don't shy away when opposing views come along, no offense, but it's too easy to say nobody cares when oneself isn't taking the time to really analyze what the other side of the debate brings to the table. I probably sound hypocritical since I am often a culprit of doing this but I know it's not the best way to address controversial topics.
 
So please, if you truly feel like giving up then do it for good, don't come around the next time the issue gets brought up with the same words as before expecting them to convince those you failed to convince before, it's not going to work any more now than it was before. I think I'll heed this advice myself and go back to lurking since it looked like my words fell on deaf ears.

1 - It isn't as simple as caring/not caring. Like I said on this same thread you linked: this is an overall bad idea. Not everyone is comfortable with being forced to share their rl life information over the internet, and I'm not just talking about the risk of fraud. Companies are known to sell customer data, sometimes legally sometimes ilegally and it wouldn't be very nice to live with the fear your image with your name written in it being sold around, at least not for me. Call me paranoid , but my father worked on cyber forensics for a loong time, and the kind of tales he tells me creep me the hell out so I would be among those unverified players, but not because I don't care.
 
2 - That's the best case scenario, the worst case scenario would be a witch hunt on unverified players by the community. It is also perfectly possible that in time unverified players would be blocked from certain features of the game, though I admit this second point to be something of an exaggeration. Like I said in the same thread you linked, the only way I see the verification idea is as a tag of trust/mistrust on players and this community is already too volatile and drama filled without people pointing fingers on others because they are unwilling to share their image with SexGameDevil.
 
3 - No offense meant in none of the above (Even if you didn't take it, you never know around here when you are going to be taken as a troll...)
 
 
No offense Twiggy, but actually, it does. You are fighting against deception here so you can't really ignore the kinds of deception that don't involve gender. Just like there are people here who care about the real life gender of a person they are becoming romantically involved there are those who care about age, social standing, nationality and whatnot. A 50 year old person pretending to be 25 just so they can hook up with someone in their twenties who's looking for a partner around their age is just as harmful as a man pretending to be a lesbian/bi woman so they can date non straight women. A married/engaged/taken person who pretends to be single just so they can be in a relationship with people in here is equally as harmful. On the latter I have seen it happen with a friend of mine and it was really harmful for them, I won't go into details in order not to compromise their identity and their trust in telling me what happened, but suffice to say the deception went on to a point my friend was so in love with the deceiver that it felt like an emotional punch in the gut when the deception was revealed.
 
I'll say something though, I'm with you when you defend means to reduce deception in here. But in order to do so effectively there needs to be a rule that respects people's right of privacy while it's still effective in punishing it's offenders, and like Skar said there needs to be means of verifying if the rule has been violated that are based in hard evidence and not just speculation, lest we have a witch hunt.
 
The sad reality however is that this medium we are a community of isn't the only one with this kind of issues, real life has them too: cheating people often lie to their lovers about not being taken so they can keep the affair going and I have seen transgender people pretend to be cis so they can be in a straight relationship with someone who cares if they are cis or trans (for the record, I have nothing against trans people and I don't really want to get into a gender identity debate... just citing this example because it's the closest I have to the whole gender issue we have here, I'm all for a person being happy the way you were born). Not being a conformist despite the looks of it, all I'm saying is that we humans haven't yet found a way to punish people for those offenses that prevents other people from committing them so it will be tricky to find a way to do it here.

That's something nice to hope for I want a hairstyle that matches my rl one ever since I got in this game xD 

I'm hoping the update for Character Editor will be like the room editor update, where they released extra content. Like clothes, that would be nice to get new clothes.

I think that people need to realise that, just because they have an opinion that some others on this forum may agree with, it doesn't necessarily represent what the majority of players feel. There are many, many, many people that are playing this game that have never even heard of the forum, let alone seen it or posted on it. The regulars on this forum, although they may, to a certain extent, be more committed to the game than others, are a very small percentage of the number of players and can, in no way, profess to represent a majority opinion.

I guess this explains why it's been taking so long since Lisa first announced it. Well, at least it's coming and it's not a miscredit rumour anymore ^^

One of the things that bothers me about this topic of discussion is that it's always the same people with the same arguments coming from both sides of the debate (myself included at times) speaking their mind without actually listening to what the other side is saying, the constant repetition of the same arguments often makes people frustrated to the point they give up discussing it entirely. Not aimed at anyone in particular but if you feel like this topic needs to be discussed then please don't shy away when opposing views come along, no offense, but it's too easy to say nobody cares when oneself isn't taking the time to really analyze what the other side of the debate brings to the table. I probably sound hypocritical since I am often a culprit of doing this but I know it's not the best way to address controversial topics.
 
So please, if you truly feel like giving up then do it for good, don't come around the next time the issue gets brought up with the same words as before expecting them to convince those you failed to convince before, it's not going to work any more now than it was before. I think I'll heed this advice myself and go back to lurking since it looked like my words fell on deaf ears.

One of the things that bothers me about this topic of discussion is that it's always the same people with the same arguments coming from both sides of the debate (myself included at times) speaking their mind without actually listening to what the other side is saying, the constant repetition of the same arguments often makes people frustrated to the point they give up discussing it entirely. Not aimed at anyone in particular but if you feel like this topic needs to be discussed then please don't shy away when opposing views come along, no offense, but it's too easy to say nobody cares when oneself isn't taking the time to really analyze what the other side of the debate brings to the table. I probably sound hypocritical since I am often a culprit of doing this but I know it's not the best way to address controversial topics.
 
So please, if you truly feel like giving up then do it for good, don't come around the next time the issue gets brought up with the same words as before expecting them to convince those you failed to convince before, it's not going to work any more now than it was before. I think I'll heed this advice myself and go back to lurking since it looked like my words fell on deaf ears.

1 - It isn't as simple as caring/not caring. Like I said on this same thread you linked: this is an overall bad idea. Not everyone is comfortable with being forced to share their rl life information over the internet, and I'm not just talking about the risk of fraud. Companies are known to sell customer data, sometimes legally sometimes ilegally and it wouldn't be very nice to live with the fear your image with your name written in it being sold around, at least not for me. Call me paranoid , but my father worked on cyber forensics for a loong time, and the kind of tales he tells me creep me the hell out so I would be among those unverified players, but not because I don't care.
 
2 - That's the best case scenario, the worst case scenario would be a witch hunt on unverified players by the community. It is also perfectly possible that in time unverified players would be blocked from certain features of the game, though I admit this second point to be something of an exaggeration. Like I said in the same thread you linked, the only way I see the verification idea is as a tag of trust/mistrust on players and this community is already too volatile and drama filled without people pointing fingers on others because they are unwilling to share their image with SexGameDevil.
 
3 - No offense meant in none of the above (Even if you didn't take it, you never know around here when you are going to be taken as a troll...)
 
 
No offense Twiggy, but actually, it does. You are fighting against deception here so you can't really ignore the kinds of deception that don't involve gender. Just like there are people here who care about the real life gender of a person they are becoming romantically involved there are those who care about age, social standing, nationality and whatnot. A 50 year old person pretending to be 25 just so they can hook up with someone in their twenties who's looking for a partner around their age is just as harmful as a man pretending to be a lesbian/bi woman so they can date non straight women. A married/engaged/taken person who pretends to be single just so they can be in a relationship with people in here is equally as harmful. On the latter I have seen it happen with a friend of mine and it was really harmful for them, I won't go into details in order not to compromise their identity and their trust in telling me what happened, but suffice to say the deception went on to a point my friend was so in love with the deceiver that it felt like an emotional punch in the gut when the deception was revealed.
 
I'll say something though, I'm with you when you defend means to reduce deception in here. But in order to do so effectively there needs to be a rule that respects people's right of privacy while it's still effective in punishing it's offenders, and like Skar said there needs to be means of verifying if the rule has been violated that are based in hard evidence and not just speculation, lest we have a witch hunt.
 
The sad reality however is that this medium we are a community of isn't the only one with this kind of issues, real life has them too: cheating people often lie to their lovers about not being taken so they can keep the affair going and I have seen transgender people pretend to be cis so they can be in a straight relationship with someone who cares if they are cis or trans (for the record, I have nothing against trans people and I don't really want to get into a gender identity debate... just citing this example because it's the closest I have to the whole gender issue we have here, I'm all for a person being happy the way you were born). Not being a conformist despite the looks of it, all I'm saying is that we humans haven't yet found a way to punish people for those offenses that prevents other people from committing them so it will be tricky to find a way to do it here.

One of the things that bothers me about this topic of discussion is that it's always the same people with the same arguments coming from both sides of the debate (myself included at times) speaking their mind without actually listening to what the other side is saying, the constant repetition of the same arguments often makes people frustrated to the point they give up discussing it entirely. Not aimed at anyone in particular but if you feel like this topic needs to be discussed then please don't shy away when opposing views come along, no offense, but it's too easy to say nobody cares when oneself isn't taking the time to really analyze what the other side of the debate brings to the table. I probably sound hypocritical since I am often a culprit of doing this but I know it's not the best way to address controversial topics.
 
So please, if you truly feel like giving up then do it for good, don't come around the next time the issue gets brought up with the same words as before expecting them to convince those you failed to convince before, it's not going to work any more now than it was before. I think I'll heed this advice myself and go back to lurking since it looked like my words fell on deaf ears.

1 - It isn't as simple as caring/not caring. Like I said on this same thread you linked: this is an overall bad idea. Not everyone is comfortable with being forced to share their rl life information over the internet, and I'm not just talking about the risk of fraud. Companies are known to sell customer data, sometimes legally sometimes ilegally and it wouldn't be very nice to live with the fear your image with your name written in it being sold around, at least not for me. Call me paranoid , but my father worked on cyber forensics for a loong time, and the kind of tales he tells me creep me the hell out so I would be among those unverified players, but not because I don't care.
 
2 - That's the best case scenario, the worst case scenario would be a witch hunt on unverified players by the community. It is also perfectly possible that in time unverified players would be blocked from certain features of the game, though I admit this second point to be something of an exaggeration. Like I said in the same thread you linked, the only way I see the verification idea is as a tag of trust/mistrust on players and this community is already too volatile and drama filled without people pointing fingers on others because they are unwilling to share their image with SexGameDevil.
 
3 - No offense meant in none of the above (Even if you didn't take it, you never know around here when you are going to be taken as a troll...)
 
 
No offense Twiggy, but actually, it does. You are fighting against deception here so you can't really ignore the kinds of deception that don't involve gender. Just like there are people here who care about the real life gender of a person they are becoming romantically involved there are those who care about age, social standing, nationality and whatnot. A 50 year old person pretending to be 25 just so they can hook up with someone in their twenties who's looking for a partner around their age is just as harmful as a man pretending to be a lesbian/bi woman so they can date non straight women. A married/engaged/taken person who pretends to be single just so they can be in a relationship with people in here is equally as harmful. On the latter I have seen it happen with a friend of mine and it was really harmful for them, I won't go into details in order not to compromise their identity and their trust in telling me what happened, but suffice to say the deception went on to a point my friend was so in love with the deceiver that it felt like an emotional punch in the gut when the deception was revealed.
 
I'll say something though, I'm with you when you defend means to reduce deception in here. But in order to do so effectively there needs to be a rule that respects people's right of privacy while it's still effective in punishing it's offenders, and like Skar said there needs to be means of verifying if the rule has been violated that are based in hard evidence and not just speculation, lest we have a witch hunt.
 
The sad reality however is that this medium we are a community of isn't the only one with this kind of issues, real life has them too: cheating people often lie to their lovers about not being taken so they can keep the affair going and I have seen transgender people pretend to be cis so they can be in a straight relationship with someone who cares if they are cis or trans (for the record, I have nothing against trans people and I don't really want to get into a gender identity debate... just citing this example because it's the closest I have to the whole gender issue we have here, I'm all for a person being happy the way you were born). Not being a conformist despite the looks of it, all I'm saying is that we humans haven't yet found a way to punish people for those offenses that prevents other people from committing them so it will be tricky to find a way to do it here.

I guess this explains why it's been taking so long since Lisa first announced it. Well, at least it's coming and it's not a miscredit rumour anymore ^^

One of the things that bothers me about this topic of discussion is that it's always the same people with the same arguments coming from both sides of the debate (myself included at times) speaking their mind without actually listening to what the other side is saying, the constant repetition of the same arguments often makes people frustrated to the point they give up discussing it entirely. Not aimed at anyone in particular but if you feel like this topic needs to be discussed then please don't shy away when opposing views come along, no offense, but it's too easy to say nobody cares when oneself isn't taking the time to really analyze what the other side of the debate brings to the table. I probably sound hypocritical since I am often a culprit of doing this but I know it's not the best way to address controversial topics.
 
So please, if you truly feel like giving up then do it for good, don't come around the next time the issue gets brought up with the same words as before expecting them to convince those you failed to convince before, it's not going to work any more now than it was before. I think I'll heed this advice myself and go back to lurking since it looked like my words fell on deaf ears.

How about we agree to disagree at one point and stop spending energy in trying to prove how wrong is the way someone is playing 3dxchat.
 
Limiting the way people can play this game wouldn't be beneficial.
 
I know some people seen to be hell bent in promoting there way of playing 3dxchat.
 
The thing I liked the most with 3dxchat was it diversity.
 
It is unjust to put down a way of playing 3dxchat if no rules are broken by those members.
 
So let say we agree to disagree on the matter and if the arguement keep going it maybe more out of boredom or just loving a good argument.

Hey people,
 
Just to say I don't mind that people don't play as themselves. As long as they are cool people with who I can  have a great time, not necessarily sex ,it's ok.
I saw profiles of elfs, magicians, vampires, people from outterspace here and I like to see people who's got imagination to create their profiles:). If there were only serious profiles, it would be very annoying.
Even if one day i know that one of my friend have not the sex he/she pretends, I will not judge her or him. 
Sure I will not be the happiest person at that moment, but i will forgive that, and keep spending time with that person.
I will not ask people a copy of civil status or passport when I meet them
Some people are here to realize their fantaisies and I am not here to say what fantaisies they have not the right to do.
But I can also understand people who are angry about this kind of situation. I just give my opinion.

I personnally think that a rule that try to regulate real life gender wouldn't work even on a volontary base and would be more damageing for a few reasons. 
 
1. It does goes against the game views and only the dev can change how they promote there game. The community propose recommandation and let the owner of the game decide. 
 

 
The game clearly state that you can come to play as you like. 
 
2. One of my main conscerns about trying to implement any new rule about enforcing real life gender would be how it is reported. You need tangible proof of someone real life gender to be able to apply a game rule. You can't really enforce it on a rumors, you can't really enforce it on guessing either, a screenshot of someone admiting that is he is another gender in RL is barely enough. And the game owner obviously can't ask for real ID to verify a claim and a picture is obviously not an option either. If you want to apply a rule in game, you need to be able to proof out of all doubt that the person is really doing what you claim and just knowing is not enough.
 
3. Because of the very nature of social games and the drama that is associate with it. I will be just another tool for the player that want to take revenge on someone they don't like. I will also add that it might be used for players to execute there little wtich hunting and try to out other player that might have checked RL in there profile. I am not sure it will make the game really more interesting to play and I don't think there will be less drama and people that will get hurted.
 
4. I personnally think that the support team won't be able to deal with the reports in a timely fashion and like I said in point 2. Also, it will be time consuming for them to verify those reports and acts upon them. With the state in which the game is right now, I don't think the idea is doable as the support team is minimal and it is sure not a job for the forum moderator. 
 
5. Because it won't prevent people from lying and being deceiveful. A rule that monitor RL sex won't prevent anyone from doing as they like and at the end it will just add more weight over the support team. There already the rule 2.02 that is used for preventing people to get hurt and I don't think one more rule about player gender is beneficial.
 
I really don't think a rule that would regulate real life gender vs the gender of your avi to be practical. The game got enough drama as it is and I don't think it will really help with it. In the end, it will just be another tool for player to exploit to there own end. 
 
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What the game really need to been able for the players to realize that everyone come in the game for a different reason and sometime those reasons are incompatible and it alright. 
I had the chance to meet incredible players in the game that were "Realistic" and incredible players that were "Role players". We need to stop throwing the blame to RP players for the drama in game, it is unfair. 
 
I have meet lying and deceitful players of all kinds and it not a matter of being Real or RP. But when those behavior are notice, they need to be report under the rule 2.02 or one more appropriate. 
 
Well, this is my opinion on the matter at hand. We do the best with what we have, but I don't think a new rule would be the solution to a problem that is not about to be gone. 

This time it is the gender, what is next?
 
... rl skin color?
... rl age?
... rl social standing?
 
If YOU are offended by it, then it is YOUR responsibility to point that out before starting something. Or do you tell anyone you meet ingame that you are the same sex as your ava? I bet not.
 
Please keep in mind that this is a place to life your fantasies. How many BBCs out there are caucasian and have a small dick irl? Does it matter? I guess not. But we have to protect our new players that don't know that fact! So please bring in the rule that you have to state the length of your cock irl as male player!!! (For those that don't get it, that was a joke)
 
The great thing about this place is that things like gender, age, heritage or money on the bank account don't matter. What matters is the soul and the character!
 
And to those that think this is a dating agency: it is not!
 
Live and let live...
 
If you are offended by something, hit on the keyboard and let the world know. Expecting others to change their way to be because of you is very small-minded.
 
 
Have fun all! (This is what this place is about)

Great night! Keep up the good work! \m/
 

Thank you all coming! More details on our next night will be announced soon!
 
\m/ >_< \m/

after a jump into 3dx here before...a dive into here

 



 



 

So, after much teasing and countless delays we finally give you:
 
இڿڰۣ-ڰۣ— Petals to the Metal Rock and Metal Club இڿڰۣ-ڰۣ—
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
\m/ Invites you to their grand opening this Friday, September 25th at 20:00 GMT \m/
 
 
 
About us:
 
 

☠ - What is the இڿڰۣ-ڰۣ— Petals to the Metal Rock and Metal Club இڿڰۣ-ڰۣ—?

Petals to the Metal is a Rock and Heavy Metal club co-owned and hosted by the metalhead wives Callista (the Rose) and Makii (the Violet). We throw Rock/Metal genre inspired parties with our own customized playlists in a nice and friendly enviroment where everyone is welcome ^^ Each party has it's own theme and the hostesses ensure that each of her guests is having a blast (And wishing for a headbanging animation on 3DX \m/).

☠ - When do we open?

We plan on trying to host parties on either Fridays, Saturdays or Sundays on a semi regular basis. We'll always announce on this thread the opening dates and the party's theme for the night ^^

☠ - Why should you come party with us:

Because you are a fan of Metal/Rock and are possibly a bit bored of the Radio Tunes channels and in need of something different? Because you want to party in an enviroment full of people who share your passion for the awesome sound of a guitar solo? The reasons are many and our club has an answer for each. Our thematic parties ensure that the music never gets old, each night brings something different and the hostesses dedication to keep the enviroment pleasant and friendly for all of their guests ^^
 
Come join us for a night full of headbanging, death growls and loud guitar solos!
 
☠ - Why this friday will be special: 
 
Because it's Callista's and Makii's 6th month relationship anniversary, this is a very special date for us and we'd like to celebrate this very special moment in a very special way. Come join us in this celebration, maybe some of our luck as a couple will pass on to you ^^
 
Our themes for Friday will be: Death, Power and Thrash Metal
 
 
Edit: added time zone converter, special thanks to Pashion for indirectly introducing it to me in her own even announcement ^^

Just waiting for you all tomorrow \m/
 

So, after much teasing and countless delays we finally give you:
 
இڿڰۣ-ڰۣ— Petals to the Metal Rock and Metal Club இڿڰۣ-ڰۣ—
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
\m/ Invites you to their grand opening this Friday, September 25th at 20:00 GMT \m/
 
 
 
About us:
 
 

☠ - What is the இڿڰۣ-ڰۣ— Petals to the Metal Rock and Metal Club இڿڰۣ-ڰۣ—?

Petals to the Metal is a Rock and Heavy Metal club co-owned and hosted by the metalhead wives Callista (the Rose) and Makii (the Violet). We throw Rock/Metal genre inspired parties with our own customized playlists in a nice and friendly enviroment where everyone is welcome ^^ Each party has it's own theme and the hostesses ensure that each of her guests is having a blast (And wishing for a headbanging animation on 3DX \m/).

☠ - When do we open?

We plan on trying to host parties on either Fridays, Saturdays or Sundays on a semi regular basis. We'll always announce on this thread the opening dates and the party's theme for the night ^^

☠ - Why should you come party with us:

Because you are a fan of Metal/Rock and are possibly a bit bored of the Radio Tunes channels and in need of something different? Because you want to party in an enviroment full of people who share your passion for the awesome sound of a guitar solo? The reasons are many and our club has an answer for each. Our thematic parties ensure that the music never gets old, each night brings something different and the hostesses dedication to keep the enviroment pleasant and friendly for all of their guests ^^
 
Come join us for a night full of headbanging, death growls and loud guitar solos!
 
☠ - Why this friday will be special: 
 
Because it's Callista's and Makii's 6th month relationship anniversary, this is a very special date for us and we'd like to celebrate this very special moment in a very special way. Come join us in this celebration, maybe some of our luck as a couple will pass on to you ^^
 
Our themes for Friday will be: Death, Power and Thrash Metal
 
 
Edit: added time zone converter, special thanks to Pashion for indirectly introducing it to me in her own even announcement ^^

Just waiting for you all tomorrow \m/