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Well, actually they can. If they should or should not – is another question. But they can for sure.

Indeed. No matter how much we will argue here, the decisions are up to devs. 

Presumption of innocence, fair trials and judges is indeed great. 
But it all related to law area. It would be the thing if devs would find that hackers and try to sue them. Then yes, it would be about presumption of innocence and fair trial.
But when we talk not about real life measures, but about ingame ban, devs don't have to justify their decision. Of course they better do it (and they did it, for most of community at least) to not be seen like assholes by their own community, but it still does not mean that they have to do it and of course they don't have to give enough proofs to convince everyone that they are right, especially people like @Nalley who I am almost sure involved with Off gang themself.
And aside laws and bans and all real measures, there are also people's personal judgements.  The presumption of innocence does not apply to personal judgement. Or at least it does not have to. People free to judge others the way they see fit. 
Like @Diana Prince said "If you want to party and hang out with Harvey Weinstein, fine with me. But don't wonder when people think you support and indulge in certain things." It's a good point.
So yeah, there probably no reason to ban White Breeze, but no need to be surprised if people shaming them now for being hackers supporters. Of course not everyone of them is an Off gang's supporter. But it's pretty understandable that their group will be seen as ones by many after this and they get reputation damage. Why should not they? 
And about IamTrouble. She is not a regular member of the group, she is leader, I am sure she knew pretty good about who is Off gang and what they were doing. Yeah, maybe attacking regular members of White Breeze is not a good idea, but IamTrouble was understanding what she was doing. She wanted to increase popularity even more and probably to get on good side of other influential group, even knowing about how shady and nasty this group is. She took a risk. Now she have to deal with a consequences. So it's absolutely understandable and natural that people now shaming her and throwing dirt. You can't say something like I read from different people in this thread like "they didn't know / they were just hanging out together" when it's about a leader of the group, not just a member of it. I will never believe that she did not know about who is Off gang. And yet, she agreed for collaboration party. So yeah if she will be shamed by people and get dirt throwed at her – she pretty much deserves it. It's only her fault and no one's else.

Can you prove it? 
I mean... If he really is a friend of the Warning, he should not have any management/stuff privileges anymore. I am not saying about banning him or something like this, I guess it would be too much to ban people for being friends even if with Warning himself, but it's kinda fucked up if Warning's friend have some special access rights for the game. 

I will never believe that members of OFF GANG did not know what some people of their group was doing. If they are not extremely stupid. 
Yeah, no need to ban everyone who was close to OFF GANG. No need to ban their friends, partners, DJs, etc.
But the ones who associate themselves with this group and have it in their profile, especially now, after recent events, sure should go into ban together with other scum. 

Ex,
Friends in their FL, mostly removed OFF GANG form their profiles and moved on with their game after Gizmo's warning. They don't boast of being in OFF GANG discord, they don't boast of trying to make interviews with OFF GANG peeps, they don't come to forums to  defend OFF GANG saying they're harmless ppl who only make parties and have fun.
Wanna know why? Cause they're smart.
Gizmo did a good job with his warning by giving a chance to people to deattach from that group. Seems you don't get that.

When you say for forum people only. They also used discord. And those are the usual channels used by the devs to communicate to the community. After the community has to make the effort to check those channels. But saying I dont read forum or discord wont be a receivable excuse if you still support OffGang.

After having a bit of a read through this thread there are several things I would like to question. One is to the people that keep saying the devs have no evidence, how would you know what evidence they do or don't have. It seems this has been going on for a while now and it would not be hard for the devs to code flags for when certain happenings go on in the game. If a certain command is made to th3e server then they could see who made that command. Now I am not saying they have done that, only that it is possible. So there is no way any of you can know what evidence they do or don't have.
I think Lisas warning being involved with OffGang can get you banned is more saying they know that members of OffGang are responsible. She is saying to stay clear of them as it could land you in trouble. In any investigation if a known group has members that are seen to be responsible then the whole group is placed under suspicion. They are not automatically guilty but have to face they are under suspicion through association. After all if you are made aware that a certain group are doing things that is responsible for the whole game going down why would you want to associate with them.
So with what I have seen mentioned in here and the arguments that have been going on, my opinion is the leaders of OffGang have been up to no good to get advantages over other groups. If you have been informed of the things they have been doing you should stay away from them. If you don't then what happens to you is your own fault.

I would love to see some hard coded default scenes.  A few apartments - not large, but apartment scale to the avi.

 
[img]https://i.imgur.com/wcE0sDR.png[/img]

Then some hard coded environments with weather and adjustable gravity to build in.  Like a desert scene....

 
Winter

With snow covered trees
[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Fo_dwP0b4RM/VQls-mFG5_I/AAAAAAAAAO4/m04NW_-cV9U/s1600/tree_test.jpg[/img]
 
and fall spring and summer...... etc.
 
 
 

Well in this case they should fix the issues, not remove the feature. I mean, it's not some cool but not necessarily thing like minigames or drivable cars or other nice but secondary (for the sex game) stuff. It's essential! 

The problem with a smaller/larger cocks is that these sizes may require to adjust all poses for them. Too little cock and in some pose animation will look silly because it will not be able to penetrate the hole or will go just head in. Too big cock and in some poses it will go through the model. Too much work for the devs. 
But I believe devs can let us choose limp cocks sizes if they are not used in sex. 

I hope it will not be that big though. I mean I like this pose, but the flaccid cock should be smaller than a hard one in my opinion. Hope they will make it something like 2x smaller.

You are totally right here.
There is a mix now between facts and personal wars.
Facts are some people hacked the game and should be banned.
Personal wars, someone dont like someone and will just try to destroy them, in any way possible.
 

I want more sexy walk option....

Are you member of OFF GANG or their friend?
You seem to be pretty sad and angry about this nasty little group of hackers and their supporters getting right where they are belong. 

I would not want to see jumping in game to be honest. 
First, people jumping around can kinda ruin the immersion/atmosphere.
Second, our devs maybe a nice guys but... they are not very good at releasing content free of bugs or even fixing old bugs. I mean I am almost sure that jumps will be bugged lol. Even in less glitchy games I used to jump somewhere and get stuck, I can only imagine how buggy it can be here, considering how full of bugs game in general and considering that user-made rooms may be not that well adopted to jumps. And okay... maybe devs can do jumps properly and fix most possible bugs associated with them but... How much time will it take? I don't think that jumps are that important for sex/social game. 
But the WSAD itself would be nice addition, I sure would like it! Just without jumps. 
And what I also would love is more ways to move / interact. Crawling animation, which instead of jumps really can be very usable for the sex game, especially for people who are into BDSM. Clickable doors that we can open/close. Maybe more drinks, cocktails and shots for example, would be nice for RP as well. 
So... I am not voting. I am up for WSAD but don't want to vote for jumps. 

Besides the beer bottle animations a few other drinks would be nice.

Coffee and such might be sufficient, if only done in sitting poses, no need to carry a cup of coffee to the dancefloor.

I want to drink water and tea for free in my apartement

coffee (from cup)
wine (from wine glass)
energy drink (can)
longdrink/martini (from cocktail glass)
vodka/shots (shot glass)
Champagne (from appropriate glass)
bonus: Champagne bottle opening squirt

I would not want to see jumping in game to be honest. 
First, people jumping around can kinda ruin the immersion/atmosphere.
Second, our devs maybe a nice guys but... they are not very good at releasing content free of bugs or even fixing old bugs. I mean I am almost sure that jumps will be bugged lol. Even in less glitchy games I used to jump somewhere and get stuck, I can only imagine how buggy it can be here, considering how full of bugs game in general and considering that user-made rooms may be not that well adopted to jumps. And okay... maybe devs can do jumps properly and fix most possible bugs associated with them but... How much time will it take? I don't think that jumps are that important for sex/social game. 
But the WSAD itself would be nice addition, I sure would like it! Just without jumps. 
And what I also would love is more ways to move / interact. Crawling animation, which instead of jumps really can be very usable for the sex game, especially for people who are into BDSM. Clickable doors that we can open/close. Maybe more drinks, cocktails and shots for example, would be nice for RP as well. 
So... I am not voting. I am up for WSAD but don't want to vote for jumps. 

well the whole debate was starting because that Nalley openly defended the actions of the group and also was argumenting about lack of proof, and so on. But you are right. simply for partying at the same place or dj-ing for someone or anything like that doesn't make anybody directly affiliated. But now since they know about it, they should all be careful and stay away from them, that's all really. It's not an actual witch hunt to ban everyday paying customers just because they danced in one place or another. Those guilty of stuff know very well what they are doing. But believe me each and every one of them will be quite vocal about being innocent.

Dude, I don't give a fuck literally, your friend became a thug or a drug dealer, HE IS YOUR friend, he got caught doing illegal shit, he will go into trial and get the punishment he deserved, you are literally defending a criminal, watch the videos they post and all of that, like for real grow a couple of brain cells instead of trying to victimizing yourself and whine trying to guilt trip the devs and make people show a glimpse of sympathy, just move the fuck on, it's not worth it, this group won't do your any good shit, unless you know some info.. if so spit them out.
It's enough to see something like the following even happening:
Like are you fucking kidding me? this ALONE should be a legit ban for life for all the 4 names mentioned + anyone who actually support this shit, using the DJ booth options of a "general room" like not even a custom room? That's like pissing in middle of football field.
Devil dancers, devil sluts, lost in purple whatever fuck group is assosiating with this should at the very least receive a warning to get their shit together, they were not given any control or permission to change anything in the music of that room or try to modify anything on it, this is literally like saying GTA V modders and cheaters shouldn't be banned.
Get a fucking grip, love how some of you are trying to "Justify" the murderer doing the murder crime with excuses like "maybe he was hungry so he killed someone to roast his meat", or "he probably felt like doing some gun shots and accidently it killed some people, whoopsy", no this is a service, a paid service, not rl, not politics, not some fucking shit to even consider comparing it to any anything close, people come to 3dx to live another life, or just stay away of rl drama and conflicts, and then some idiots ruin that for them, and then some people want to spare the criminals who were obviously showing what they do in their youtube with cold nerves.
Just stop it, what done is done, they got banned, people should stop defending them or trying to support them and move the fuck on, or they will be questionable and on the risk of getting similar fate.
Peace!
-Leathium

I'm quite sure nobody will be persecuted simply because they talked to or partied to one moron or another in the past. This whole "stay away" isn't about that either. The situation now is made clear, and those who continue pushing it, and represent a toxic and problematic group through their profiles, affiliations, they get what they deserve and they can't pretend now that they "didn't know" people have been warned. Simple as that. It's not like they will persecute everybody simply for dancing around in close proximity with some stupid ass moron from this wannabe "hacker" group. It's more about what you do next. 
It's simply a case of let that shit go, and everybody move on with their lives if they know what's good for them. And it's a quite reasonable thing to ask. I have my problems with the devs as far as ingame contents go and ARGH I want that damn pose editor... But in this case they are totally right

That sounds fair to me. Until devs decision, we could give them the benefit of the doubt, they might know or not (each of us is free to believe it or not  ). Now devs clearly stated this group is illegal in game, so showing support after this decision, you have to face the consequences.

Yeah absolutely. Everybody in the world likes to play stupid and say crap like "Oh I didn't know"
Look at that chat for example. Lisa kindly told the person simply to mind his business and stay away from them if he doesn't want to follow them. And what the reply is... "You go to war, let's settle it quietly, waaaah or else!" See what I mean? First teh person is playing dumb asking innocent questions about bans then when he gets the reply he doesn't like suddenly changes his tone.
Everybody go and mind their business, enjoy the game and stay away from idiots. It's really as simple as that.

I will never believe that members of OFF GANG did not know what some people of their group was doing. If they are not extremely stupid. 
Yeah, no need to ban everyone who was close to OFF GANG. No need to ban their friends, partners, DJs, etc.
But the ones who associate themselves with this group and have it in their profile, especially now, after recent events, sure should go into ban together with other scum. 

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