Is it okay to 3Dxchat porno movies without consent?

[TashaTight]

Was coming across some 3Dxchat sex videos on the net searching, i guess since its a sex game mainly its arguably if you call it in game footage or porno i guess. But i noticed a couple where it felt a bit like they were recorded by one person without the other/others involved knowledge.

 

Was looking up at rules but couldn't really find any section under rules where it said it wasn't allowed less i missed it, i see a lot of porno studios in 3dxchat occasionally so i know it must be a fantasy for quite a few. But always thought coming from second life myself where porno's were made in there, that it was always common morale courtesy to ask permission to film.

 

So just wanted to ask what everyone else thought about this? Thought it was a interesting debate to have, 

[Chilles]

 

2.06. Giving out or discussing a user's personal information without consent is prohibited Their.

 

3. Names, Avatars, Images / Video and Signatures.

 

You agree to not include the Following:

 

3.07. Which contain personal details / credentials.

 

 

Without the approval of the showed member is it in my opinion agains the Rules

[Ashbash]

I agree with Achilles, consent is probably best to have if you are wanting to record a 3DXChat porno for people to view publicly that involve more than one person. Just to be sure.

[Guest Skar]

Taking footage from the game is not forbidden.

 

And it allow to make fan based video about 3dxchat.

 

Funny enough, in my 2 years in 3dx, it the first time someone bring this issue. I guess the game is growing and is slowly picking stuff from other game too as it grow.

 

Right now, there no rule that can really been used in that situation beside maybe the one about personal attack. It someone make a video to attack someone and post it on the forum, it will be taken down.

 

But if it posted at another place... I am sure 3dxchat team can't do much about it as they might lack ressources.

 

It would be nice to ask first before taking footage, but you can't really make it a rule as it can get complicated if you take footage of party and private party.

 

Not all courtesy can be made a rule.

[TashaTight]

Thanks for the reply that was what i thought, just still pondered why there were videos out there that looked like some those involved was unaware they were being recorded?

[Ashbash]

Yes of course Skar as parties are usually a public event, maybe if it was a private session with just you and one other maybe will be best to ask if its okay first before doing recordings. Kinda how like if you have sex with a person in RL but want to record it, it would be best to ask first just incase to avoid the issue of "Revenge Porn" which is illegal in some countries.

 

Edit: It's sorta like the giving consent of personal info in a way. Like give what you want people to know etc.. So probably best to be on the safe side and ask first to avoid any possible complications in future.

[Guest Skar]

So ? Is it forbidden to take footage of a party without the consent of everyone in the room ?

 

Those parties sometime contain sex.

 

I don't think you can draw the line that easily.

[Guest Skar]

Revenge porn avatars ?

[TashaTight]

Yes of course Skar as parties are usually a public event, maybe if it was a private session with just you and one other maybe will be best to ask if its okay first before doing recordings. Kinda how like if you have sex with a person in RL but want to record it, it would be best to ask first just incase to avoid the issue of "Revenge Porn" which is illegal in some countries.

 

Edit: It's sorta like the giving consent of personal info in a way. Like give what you want people to know etc.. So probably best to be on the safe side and ask first to avoid any possible complications in future.

 

Well think normal way it was done on second life following good ethic if it was public recording, would been to film it and ask those filmed if it was okay to post a video with them. IF they said no you'd edit those who didn't out the video, so only those who wanted to participate in final video would actually be uploaded anywhere rest deleted.

 

But i guess i only really seen a number of said porno movie like footage/movies browsing so might still be something a lot not aware of i mean recording ethics.

[Guest Skar]

I personally take for granted that I can be screenshot and recorded at all time and if I am doing something publicly that I wouldnt want people to see, well, maybe I shouldnt be doing it at all.

 

And if you are in private and it you partner that is taping you. Well, it can happen and if the partner use it against you, well, it can happen too. Sad but true. Just report the user for harassment in that case.

[Chilles]

In my opinion is the In-Game Name of an Member a Personal Information and the recording of an Video or taking Screenshots that shows this kind of Informations and public this for example as Porn Video in Internet shows Personal Datas of 3DXChat members.

 

This is in my opinion this Rule:

 

 

2.06. Giving out or discussing a user's personal information without consent is prohibited Their.

[Ashbash]

Skar there is a difference between a public party and a private sex session between two people. Like public parties are open for public and yes they perhaps do have sex in them, but that is a public space, I am talking about a private space between two people, like if I was going to have sex with someone privately and they wanted to record, I'd like them to ask me first rather than going ahead and doing it.

[Ashbash]

I personally take for granted that I can be screenshot and recorded at all time and if I am doing something publicly that I wouldnt want people to see, well, maybe I shouldnt be doing it at all.

 

And if you are in private and it you partner that is taping you. Well, it can happen and if the partner use it against you, well, it can happen too. Sad but true. Just report the user for harassment in that case.

 

Yes that is what I mean, in a private instance case.

[Guest Skar]

In my opinion is the In-Game Name of an Member a Peronal Information and the recording of an Video or taking Sceenshots that shows this kind of Informations and public this for example as Porn Video in Internet shows Personal Datas of 3DXChat members.

 

This is in my opinion this Rule:

So all screenshot posted on the forum that show the avatars name of a user and that you didn't ask him if you could screenshot him is against that rule ?

[TashaTight]

Still for me one big part question is also more or less how many actually, aware if their breaking rules filming or not. Otherwise generally good filming ethics i guess too, because imagine from some the movies i ran across, i also get impression some are just made in good fun without much of a extra thought to it.

 

Part reason i wanted to bring up the debate about it too 

 

EDIT: But to what you said above i guess it puts the public open user rooms a bit at a grey area, as they somewhat in-between or?

[Guest Skar]

I personally think that the rule 2.02 cover most of the possible abuse.

 

Sure, it best to ask first and it will avoid most misunderstanding.

 

But it can be tough to enforce formal consent. Do the people need to fill a form, do the maker of the video need to take a screenshot of the conversation with the person giving consent.

 

And I would worry about the people that see themself on a screenshot in a sex room and decide to report the one that post it. Some people are too bored with too much spare time.

[Guest Skar]

Anyway this is just my opinion and for what it worth. Lol

[Chilles]

So all screenshot posted on the forum that show the avatars name of a user and that you didn't ask him if you could screenshot him is against that rule ?

 

Without the agree of the showed member, in my opinion YES! Because there is a function to hide the Names.

I'm sure no one is against Fun Screenshots for our Forum and the most members agree. But a porn Movie with an 3DXChat Member is a other kind of topic and I'm sure everyone is against this kind of Video without his ok before.

[TashaTight]

Without the agree of the showed member, in my opinion YES! Because there is a function to hide the Names.

I'm sure no one is against Fun Screenshots for our Forum and the most members agree. But a porn Movie with an 3DXChat Member is a other kind of topic and I'm sure everyone is against this kind of Video without his ok before.

 

Yah, but think its not good ethics either. That someone might had fun not being aware they were taped, maybe find someone they go steady with in 3Dxchat only to have their partner hear or stumble across it..

 

And yah i will definitely ask i always did in second life, same here. Just thought it was a discussion worth bringing up seeing as its being done a bit loosely now from what i can tell 

[Guest Skar]

Yah, but think its not good ethics either. That someone might had fun not being aware they were taped, maybe find someone they go steady with in 3Dxchat only to have their partner hear or stumble across it..

 

And yah i will definitely ask i always did in second life, same here. Just thought it was a discussion worth bringing up seeing as its being done a bit loosely now from what i can tell

It is really the best that you warned player that you are making a movie. It definitely best practice and avoid most possible trouble. And you might also get more willing people to participate.

 

I think it good etiquette and it really the way to go.

 

I just don't think there a rule that handle those situations for now and I am not sure how it would goes if there was one.

[Chilles]

Yah, but think its not good ethics either. That someone might had fun not being aware they were taped, maybe find someone they go steady with in 3Dxchat only to have their partner hear or stumble across it..

 

And yah i will definitely ask i always did in second life, same here. Just thought it was a discussion worth bringing up seeing as its being done a bit loosely now from what i can tell 

 

In the past was on YouTube a 3DXChat review about the sex functions (let us call it porn ^^) the genitals was hidden because YouTube^^

But the Video showed an known Member of 3DXChat in alll Sex positions and this member wasn't happy about his showed name, and also he wasn't happy about the guy behind the Girl Avatar

 

I think really for this kind of personal Informations is the agree of the showed member needed.

 

We have very much long-time players with one Name and this kind of Video shows this members in a bad light. For safe the privacy should this be forbidden.

 

Thanks for this Topic, I think this question is really important. Maybe should the Rules show this a bit more exactly

[Nymphpott]

That would be pretty strange video to find!  haha. 

 

If it was a stranger who you just hooked up with for quick session,, I guess it would not be so bad. If it was good friend you were sharing really intimate stuff with, It is definitely worthy of a good old fashioned ass kickin! 

 

I guess it is more about common courtesy. You would not expect someone to do that but some people lack it and could care less. 

 

I have never played a game where they Discourage recording game play footage unless its super secret closed beta action, The only other time i have seen it frowned upon and ban worthy is if said player is sharing cheats and exploits in the video.  So i would imagine it is just a risk we all have to take. 

[Cordelia]

There are always people that will do this sort of thing surreptitiously and I doubt that they are the type of people that read forums, let alone rules. Also, the only people that are likely to be able to do anything about it are the regulators of the site where the images are posted not 3DX, for sure, unless there are statements made that are particularly offensive about them.

[TashaTight]

Can picture that it be hard for developers to keep the videos from going up on sites, if they have to either ask site to pull them down or the user who put them up. What i guess i was hoping for was more to bring it up, think there has to be a lot who vaguely read rules and just do it without really having the idea of malicious intend behind them. Where i feel having the discussion and debate might help some those to realize there rules but also good ethics guide lines for making such videos many amateur movie makers might not be aware of.