Should people be allowed to use multiple av's

[Guest Lillyme]

This has been gone over and over and over so many times...all I can contribute is...

 

[Athene]

I disagree, everyone here has a reason to be here and can play the game however they want. If you prefer fantasy, then stick with people who specify in their profile that they like roleplaying. For those looking for friendships and relationships, then those people can come together. 

 

I don't really think you guys are talking about the same thing here. To my understanding, Sage is trying to express that 3DX is a dangerous place for people who can't differentiate between reality and fantasy.

 

Overall, I think my stance has and always will be... Play this game with some perspective. Don't get too caught up in the dramas that happen (I know I have). This doesn't downplay your real connection to someone you meet, it means be honest with yourself about the situation(s). I know for a fact that my real life health (getting too stressed etc) is more important than 90% of the people I talk with on 3DX (sorry people). Is it for you? If you agree, don't you think you should let some things go regarding someone you met over a sex game?

 

I think everyone that's "lied" about themselves on 3DX, to later come out with the truth, joined with the impression that they can fulfill any fantasy they want. It's an RPG with sex involved. Dress up a character, have fun with it, it's not serious. 3DX pretty much is found by looking up porn after all...

 

I don't think people like Sage (sorry if I'm calling you out man, just took previous statements made and am using it here) had malicious intentions. Was fulfilling a fantasy or story, and it turned out the game was much different than anticipated. Feelings came into play. It fucks with everyone here, we all go through it.

 

Shit, I was a purple-haired neko slut when I first joined. Just because my gender didn't change, or my age, doesn't mean I wasn't "lying" just as much since in the very same sense... We were living in a made-up fantasy. But who gets ridiculed? He does. How is that fair? We both "lied".

 

Practically in any game you play, you are allowed to have multiple characters. I just can't agree with any of the reasons provided that 3DX should be exempt or that we should be discriminated via tag or profile. The drama that happens is what you make of it, and what you let affect you.

 

Trolls and assholes have no power over you if you don't care.

[Guest Lillyme]

I don't really think you guys are talking about the same thing here. To my understanding, Sage is trying to express that 3DX is a dangerous place for people who can't differentiate between reality and fantasy.

Both of which are entirely subjective but that's also is a bigger question than we're asking here...so...I'm not sure we can dismiss either view. To some lines are clear...to others not so...and where everyone's lines are...is an individual thing.

 

My personal view...kitten pics aside...is that any relationship here needs to work out its lines...or if will fail...and the difference in expectation will cause hurt.

 

For anyone to say one way is wrong and one way is right is a bit self important...most of the posts here...on both sides have a lot of sense in them but I don't agree it needs to be polar...-both- can be right.

[Nitroo]

I think a lot of the issue is that its easy to get confused here. Either something is a fantasy or it isn't its that simple. Its ok if you want to date people here Big Mac but you should be honest with people and tell then your exceptions and what you want first before you try to ensnare them in a relationship it really will work out better for everyone that way.

 

Yes and if you don't want to date people and just play it as a fantasy game you should also be honest and tell it others. Also consider that many people are not looking for a relation but care whether they have sex with a woman or with a man behind the pc. So if youre a man who plays a woman or a woman who plays a man mention it in your profile. If you use different avis tell at least your friends and the people who are close to you the names of these avis. Only this way the game will work and nobody will get hurt.

[Twiggy]

Sage, when we 1st met I was in this game with my real life bf, and was not having sex with anyone else, plus my best friend in here at the time that I met you through knew all about you.

So yes you did tell me who you were, but I already knew as I had been told.

Are you seriously trying to tell me you tell everyone directly who you are, are you seriously trying to tell me you have not upset people in the game the way you play it.

And our problems started when I started having sex with others and said no to you, your attitude towards me completely changed.

And it got to where it is because of your views on how if people in this game feel they should be able to have some trust in others they don't belong here, you even told me I should leave.

 

There are people in the game that insist role play is being able to dismiss everything a person says to them on what they expect from the game.

Often people make commitments where one has talked about their views on a person not being who they say they are behind the keyboard, the other person knows from that it is important to them that the female avi they are with is actually controlled by a female.

They may not have directly asked are you actually a female, it is actually made hard to do that in here, but for certain the other person will know their view on it.

But the relationship, sex affair or what ever continues, the person not being honest continues to deceive the other and make excuses to himself for being able to do so.

It's just role playing, it's just a game, it's the Internet they should expected it, it's her own fault she shouldn't have trusted me and a whole heap of bullshit excuses for them to be able to excuse themselves for doing what they do.

Everyone seems to agree on one thing, we have to remember it is a real person behind the keyboard, but it seems to some they feel they should be able to just dismiss that when it suites them to get what they want from people.

If people want to role play the opposite sex to what they are in real life in the game, that is fine by me, I for one don't want to deny them their game, but stop expecting people around you to play in your role play without letting them know.

 

I can see their point, taking away all the bullshit they try to put across the truth is they feel they have a right to be able to have everyone think they are a real female, that it is what they need to be able to fulfil their fanasy, and if people know they are not the fantasy is broken.

What they don't seem to want to acknowledge is to do that they have to involve others in their fantasy/role play, and lots do not want to be.

A lot of people try to justify they have a right to make that decision for them and have the right to decide how far they continue their role play with them before they reveal it.

They even try to say that the people that express that the gender behind the avi is important to them are trying to force their game on them.

 

It does not just create problems for people who get in relationships or have sex with these people, it creates problems for everyone.

We all know people who are doing this, the longer you are in the game the more you get to know.

And we see them meeting up with our friends and know they are not telling them their role play, which makes a problem for us, do we say something or not.

Other times I have known friends to be in a relationship with someone who is deceiving them on their real gender, and I know it matters to the person they are with.

Do I say something knowing that my friend is going to be upset, or do I let it go and hope she won't find out.

Then there is the problems it creates for the game itself, the distrust we all have to put up with, us real girls having to put up with the doubt that we are real girls.

The reputation the game has got as being full of guys playing as females.

The fact that the game is full of guys playing as females, with most of them not letting people know.

The constant drama it creates.

It even seems to effect what guys tend to think of what girls look for in sex.

 

To the people that do this, stop trying to justify what you do, it is wrong and selfish and you know it.

[intercessional]

i agree with rob and as far as alts, whats wrong with them

[MinervaX]

I agree with Rob.... to a point. For a one night stand.... a one off.... fine... the fantasy is fine. Keep it. What harm does it do?

 

In what you would call a relationship... .yes. you absolutely should be honest. If you are entering the territory of love.... of emotions.... the other person absolutely needs to know.

 

But then... it doesn't affect me. I've been loyal to the same person for months now... and that is my pattern, really.

[Guest Lillyme]

i swear to god, every post turns to this....

Yes...this...I even forgot the thread was about multiple avi's...and that argument is obvious...people who want to use alts to cause trouble or whatever will...or will make another account to do it because...well sadly...that's what they enjoy.

 

The rest...use them for a bit of fun...or to change...to start afresh...for all sorts of well intentioned reasons...and seems a shame to further restrict an already...let's face it...feature poor...game...right?

[MinervaX]

 

The rest...use them for a bit of fun...or to change...to start afresh...for all sorts of well intentioned reasons...and seems a shame to further restrict an already...let's face it...feature poor...game...right?

 

Right... and this is important. There are lots of well-intentioned and good reasons why some people might use alts from time to time. If we restrict alts.... we do this for all... not just people that like to mess with others heads. And those people.... will find some other way to mess with peoples heads.

[Athene]

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What they don't seem to want to acknowledge is to do that they have to involve others in their fantasy/role play, and lots do not want to be.

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And we see them meeting up with our friends and know they are not telling them their role play, which makes a problem for us, do we say something or not.

Other times I have known friends to be in a relationship with someone who is deceiving them on their real gender, and I know it matters to the person they are with.

Do I say something knowing that my friend is going to be upset, or do I let it go and hope she won't find out.

Then there is the problems it creates for the game itself, the distrust we all have to put up with, us real girls having to put up with the doubt that we are real girls.

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The constant drama it creates.

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To the people that do this, stop trying to justify what you do, it is wrong and selfish and you know it.

 

Twiggy I know you feel really strongly towards this but I personally think that the first line I quoted is just... I think you're just asking for something you'll never have. Even in real life you will never know the truth behind who it is you're talking to until you really get to know them (sometimes you'll still never know what someone's capable of). No one is going to be up-front an honest about every detail of their life. Whether in-game it's their gender or in real life it's something more personal (I have a friend who isn't comfortable revealing to their partner they have an STD until it becomes more relevant.. Just as someone in-game isn't comfortable leaving their fantasy until it becomes more relevant).

 

We both have our own opinions on this and I'm not trying to say you're wrong and I'm right... I just find flaw with your arguments.

 

Secondly, when you know the truth about someone who's getting to know someone else... I think it's that person's prerogative to reveal the truth or not. I have been on both sides of the coin here... I know someone who intentionally lies about who they are IRL, they're taking "fantasy" out of this and are truly claiming to be someone they aren't in the real world, then bring it to the game. This person wronged me in so many ways, and I honestly don't care about telling the truth to whoever. But I also have other friends I know are not the gender they claim to be in-game, and know they mean nothing malicious or harmful so I leave it to them to handle that for themselves. I think it comes down to the person...

 

Haha, the real girls comment... Yes, I know what you mean! But honestly? I personally view it as... I don't have to prove shit. I don't know your view but I'm not here to hand out pictures of holding up an "Athene" sign. The people who matter to me, who I am honest and real with, know wholeheartedly who I am and what I'm about. They're legitimately the only ones I give a shit about, so the randoms who want to try and question that probably weren't worth the time anyway. No?

[Niblette]

I have myself been in the same relationship here for over a year now I basically ignore people who pm me looking for sex and I have found most people here kind of boring to talk with. The whole dancing DJ thing gets old fast as well. In someways I suppose you could say I am just not really playing the game anymore really. I think the game is what it is and works the way it was intended to really it seems like way to many people start relationships here to fast. I cant help but think that when that's the case both sides are looking at it as part of a role play which will almost always fail since its just not a good way to approach things. Also it seems to me like a lot of the people here are really difficult to be around and jump through a lot of different relationships. What most people think of me other then the ones I am close with or 3DX’s “reputation” are not things I can control or care about overly much some people seem to get focused on that thought.

[Twiggy]

Sorry but I don't get how a main avi being marked as being a main avi is discrimination, who is being discriminated against?, surely you don't mean alts.

And again I will say I have not seen one use of alts offered in this thread or any thread on the subject where having it known to be alt will prevent them from using it for that reason.

 

* You can create an alt to make rooms and it doesn't matter if it seen to be an alt.

* You can create an alt to role play and unless you are looking to manipulate or deceive it doesn't matter that people can see it is an alt.

* You can create an alt to go to sex rooms and slut yourself, no one will know it is you, just that it is an alt.

 

Every single innocent reason I have seen given in these forums for using alts it would not matter if people know they are alts.

 

And as for it creating witch hunts like people have suggested in the past, witch hunts happen because of the dis trust created by alts, they already happen, and putting some trust back into main avis will likely reduce the amount of witch hunting.

[Athene]

Sorry but I don't get how a main avi being marked as being a main avi is discrimination, who is being discriminated against?, surely you don't mean alts.

And again I will say I have not seen one use of alts offered in this thread or any thread on the subject where having it known to be alt will prevent them from using it for that reason.

 

* You can create an alt to make rooms and it doesn't matter if it seen to be an alt.

* You can create an alt to role play and unless you are looking to manipulate or deceive it doesn't matter that people can see it is an alt.

* You can create an alt to go to sex rooms and slut yourself, no one will know it is you, just that it is an alt.

 

Every single innocent reason I have seen given in these forums for using alts it would not matter if people know they are alts.

 

And as for it creating witch hunts like people have suggested in the past, witch hunts happen because of the dis trust created by alts, they already happen, and putting some trust back into main avis will likely reduce the amount of witch hunting.

 

The distrust happens because of the person behind the screen, not because of having an alt. It is just a tool, but the user decides how to apply it.

 

I personally don't care about revealing my alts, but I want the choice. I decide who gets to know. I have them as a way to appear "offline" or to fulfill an RP I do not wish to be associated to on my main. People would treat me differently if they knew I was using an alt, I assure you. It already happens. 

[Twiggy]

I have used my alt for that, to appear offline, to just see a person I wanted to see without others knowing I was even online.

Having it shown to be an alt would not prevent me from doing that, no one would know it was me or I was online, only the people that I have let know it is my alt.

If you role play with an alt, what difference will it make if people can see it is an alt, they will still not know it is you, just that it is someones alt. it still does not reveal who your main avi is.

What role play would you want to do where it would matter that people can see it is someones alt?

 

edited to add..

 

Are you trying to say that what a lot of people are doing with alts is not causing dis trust, yes it is the people behind the keyboard making the decision to do the things they do.

But it is being made so much easier for them to do so because they can use an alt and often get away with it.

Surely you are not trying to say that there is no dis trust caused in the game by peoples use of alts.

[Niblette]

I actually think it might not be a bad idea to have a number of tags you can put in your profile which describe what your avi is there for, and a Main tag that can only be used on your oldest avi. The only way to change the avi that you can use the main tag on would be to delete an older one, but all the other tags would work on all your alts. You could have tags like Roleplay, DJ, Room Builder, Sex Crazed, Troll, Drama Queen. If we want to be totally honest though you cant really describe yourself so we should make the community vote on which tag is appropriate. I am half teasing about the last part but only halfway. 

[Twiggy]

All it needs is a notification in your profile, like flag presented at the top where it shows it to be the main avi on that account.

That will then install more trust into that avi, especially if it is seen that avi has been there for a while.

At the moment all avis get the same respect, or dis respect for a better description, and that goes for everyone, even people that do not use alts at all, or do not use alts for reasons that cause the distrust.

[Sage Stoner]

Are you seriously trying to tell me you tell everyone directly who you are, are you seriously trying to tell me you have not upset people in the game the way you play it.

 

Well, first of all, when you met me, the profiles of all my female avis had "male-operated female avi" in the profile. At present, even though Guinevere's profile doesn't say male operated, because I am in an exclusive relationship with my in-game wife, there is a screen shot of all three of my characters in her gallery as well as in Sage's gallery. The same screen shot I use as my Forum profile pic. Clarity's profile has neither a disclaimer in the profile nor a screenshot in the gallery, but she has not and will not become intimate with anyone without telling them first.

 

So the answer to the first one is yes. I do proactively tell everyone. And although the situation was different the first few months I was in the game, I can honestly say that, since Dec. 2013, I have proactively told everyone that I ever put on my FL. 

 

But I am not claiming to be perfect. I admit that there have been times when I created an alt and went to a sex room and became intimate without informing my partner. And there have been other misunderstandings along the way, too.  But to the best of my memory, I have never started a long-term relationship and then "revealed" myself halfway through. I have my faults, but that is not one of them, and I defy anyone to come forward and prove otherwise.

 

So, yes, I can seriously say that I tell everyone and that I have not upset anyone with "the way" I play the game. But if there is someone who has an issue with how I play the game, they should come and talk to me. I never turn away anyone who wants to talk with me about anything that happened in the past. 

 

 

And our problems started when I started having sex with others and said no to you, your attitude towards me completely changed.

 

Well, all I can say is that if that truly is the way you remember it, then you are one self-important, self-deluded individual. The real reason my attitude changed toward you was because a mutual friend got tired of your BS and blocked you, but wouldn't tell you why. So you started constantly harassing people who were mutual friends, trying to find out why. I knew why, and I sided with the person who blocked you, so I blocked you, too. 

 

 

And it got to where it is because of your views on how if people in this game feel they should be able to have some trust in others they don't belong here, you even told me I should leave.

 

I will state unequivocally that I have never approached you in an alt or otherwise tried to harass you in-game. Nor have I ever spread lies or rumors about you, either in game or in the forum. And the reason I told you you should leave was after you wrote a post in this Forum that was full of lies and little more than a vicious personal attack on me. 

 

So you can blame all your problems on others in general and on me in particular if you wish. But quite frankly, you have gotten just what you deserve in this game, Twiggy. As have I, I might add. The difference between you and me is that I know I am responsible for my own misery while you keep trying to blame others for yours.

[Athene]

I have used my alt for that, to appear offline, to just see a person I wanted to see without others knowing I was even online.

Having it shown to be an alt would not prevent me from doing that, no one would know it was me or I was online, only the people that I have let know it is my alt.

If you role play with an alt, what difference will it make if people can see it is an alt, they will still not know it is you, just that it is someones alt. it still does not reveal who your main avi is.

What role play would you want to do where it would matter that people can see it is someones alt?

 

edited to add..

 

Are you trying to say that what a lot of people are doing with alts is not causing dis trust, yes it is the people behind the keyboard making the decision to do the things they do.

But it is being made so much easier for them to do so because they can use an alt and often get away with it.

Surely you are not trying to say that there is no dis trust caused in the game by peoples use of alts.

 

Like I mentioned before, being specified as an alt is going to most likely cause any participation with that player to be completely altered had it happened with someone none the wiser. Good intentions aside, someone has a predisposition now against said player. It's a form of segregating and history has shown what kind of response that gets us, don't you think?

[Nicci]

All I will say is anyone who doesn't like 64 yr old male lesbians named Sagestoner / Clarity/ Guinybear  can FUCK RIGHT OFF

[intercessional]

All I will say is anyone who doesn't like 64 yr old male lesbians can FUCK RIGHT OFf

all you lesbians suck!!!!      can I watch?

[Nicci]

all you lesbians suck!!!!      can I watch?

you cant but MrMuffinStuffin can

[Larenta]

Two things:

 

1. I should not be agreeing with so many of RobT's posts in this thread. >.<

 

2. I don't think alts should be scrapped because of the bad apples. Not only that I don't think there should be anything indicating if they are alts or not. People come to 3dx to live out their fantasies and fetishes...like the tagline says to be who you want to be. I know there is a risk here for people to play malicious games, but I think someone would play games regardless if there were alts or not. When a person is a douche canoe, they're going to be a douche canoe not just in 3dx, but in RL. Meeting strangers in RL just like in 3dx comes with a risk of the person being a complete chode. You have to be aware that there are shitheads in there the same as RL. If you have to consume yourself over every single person behind every single avatar, then you are not enjoying the game. You can either keep that in mind and approach people with caution and slowly build your trust for them over time. If not, you will be constantly consumed about who is who and not actually using 3dx for what its intents and purposes are. Also, if one is so seriously concerned about every single person in 3dx, then I don't know why you would play 3dx or even be on the net for that matter. I am also curious as to how this person would approach strangers in RL...

[Twiggy]

Like I mentioned before, being specified as an alt is going to most likely cause any participation with that player to be completely altered had it happened with someone none the wiser. Good intentions aside, someone has a predisposition now against said player. It's a form of segregating and history has shown what kind of response that gets us, don't you think?

 

I understand what you mean, but what are looking to use an alt to participate in where that would happen, I doubt it would in any of the slut rooms.

Other than that I don't see anywhere where you would need to use an alt where the participation isn't more than with someone special or a group of friends.

Unless you are saying you want to be able to go into places where no one will know it is you, even people you are friends with, and play what most call a double life type of thing.

I just think that if you go in the game with an alt, mix with people you know with your main without letting them know, is not the right thing to do.

But that is maybe just me, I won't do that as I feel I am doing the wrong thing by people I know that are there, but will accept maybe I am asking to much there.

Thing is, I feel that with the trouble people cause with alts, we gain a lot more by having mains alts identified than what we will loose.

[Athene]

I understand what you mean, but what are looking to use an alt to participate in where that would happen, I doubt it would in any of the slut rooms.

Other than that I don't see anywhere where you would need to use an alt where the participation isn't more than with someone special or a group of friends.

Unless you are saying you want to be able to go into places where no one will know it is you, even people you are friends with, and play what most call a double life type of thing.

I just think that if you go in the game with an alt, mix with people you know with your main without letting them know, is not the right thing to do.

But that is maybe just me, I won't do that as I feel I am doing the wrong thing by people I know that are there, but will accept maybe I am asking to much there.

Thing is, I feel that with the trouble people cause with alts, we gain a lot more by having mains alts identified than what we will loose.

 

I'm not going to get into hypotheticals, lol. I don't use my RP alts much now since I am with someone exclusive, but before that, I would definitely use them for any of the situations you mentioned above. I even had an ongoing RP with someone who knew my main, but his friends didn't know he knew, and thought it was their job to enlighten him. It's none of their business knowing who I am on my alt but for those I tell it to... And anyone who decides to take that option away from me is really sticking their nose where it doesn't fucking belong.

[~SBM~]

Thanks everyone for your great feedback. So what I took out of this is that yes people should be able to have alts and they have the right to play the game however they see fit. It would be good if people who are roleplaying indicate this on their profiles, but I've noticed several who already put that there. I'm not into roleplaying and I've been myself the entire time on 3dx. I have no problem being friends with people with many alts, but don't expect close friendships. I'm not a very trusting person and if I sense someone isn't being authentic, then I don't open up to them, that's just who I am.