Update 450+ breaks Linux Support - !!! WORKING SOLUTION !!!

[Vejur]

Hi,

I've only jumped into this game as recently as two weeks ago and was really enjoying it. I am a Linux-only user and have been using it as my main OS for more than 20 years, even for gaming. I also work with it professionally. Since you are aiming at a Steam release soon, I though I'd open up a separate thread for this.

The anti-cheat tool you have added with version 450 breaks Linux support. I know that you are not officially supporting this OS, but I can say that 3DXChat was working on Linux and Wine previously with like-native Windows performance. I have had absolutely no issues. Which means that the game is fully capable to run on Steam/Proton (and though the Steam Deck) as well. Steam has a Linux user scale of 2%, which might not be a userbase that you'd want to miss out.

I have checked with the lead developer of the anti-cheat tool and he confirmed that it has never been tested against running on Linux with Wine/Proton and probably won't work. I fully believe that it's worth your effort to figure out a solution for this problem, as it would definitely help to boost your Steam release (and make your current paying Linux users happy as well ).

If you need more information on this issue, or someone to do tests on this, I am more than willing to help.

Looking forward to hear from you

Edited September 2 by Vejur

[btown978]

Guessing this is probably the same issue with playing on a mac M1 using parallels and Windows 11 ARM.  I was surprised when some tax software I was testing a few months ago didn't work and it was traced back to a similar issue that had to do with the code they were using to validate licensing--the way the module was written, it wasn't able to run on ARM systems.  It was the same problem--the installer ran flawlessly but when you tried to run the actual program, nothing happened--no errors, no crash reports, nothing.

A work around would most definitely be appreciated since I know I'm not the only player using that configuration.

[Vejur]

It most probably is a similar issue. The anti-cheat module detects any non-expected runtime environment as unwanted intrusion. I haven't found a workaround for Wine on this. It also seems to be a pretty niche tool, so we most definitely need 3dx developer support on this.

Edited August 13 by Vejur

[Uthyr]

As is the ongoing stupidity of these "security enhancement" game breaking things.

According to Steam, 2% of the PC gaming market uses Linux. This latest "security update" kicks-out all Linux players who were working fine yesterday.

What % of the PC gaming market uses these FPS Monitor or Reshade utilities that the devs are so afraid of? Maybe 0.1% ?

So add a "security enhancement" that breaks the game for 2% of the gaming market because you're afraid of 0.1% that use trivial, who-cares utilities?

Business genius.  /s

Edited August 13 by Uthyr

[Mia207]

It still runs for me on Linux, but it ends up using all my memory and it crashes.

[Vejur]

2 hours ago, Mia207 said:

It still runs for me on Linux, but it ends up using all my memory and it crashes.

That's interesting. Care to share some more info on the Linux and Wine versions you are using?

[Xizi]

9 hours ago, Uthyr said:

As is the ongoing stupidity of these "security enhancement" game breaking things.

According to Steam, 2% of the PC gaming market uses Linux. This latest "security update" kicks-out all Linux players who were working fine yesterday.

What % of the PC gaming market uses these FPS Monitor or Reshade utilities that the devs are so afraid of? Maybe 0.1% ?

So add a "security enhancement" that breaks the game for 2% of the gaming market because you're afraid of 0.1% that use trivial, who-cares utilities?

Business genius.  /s

I don't think that deva are "afraid" of FPS monitor or reshade utilities. 

It most probably a measure to prevent pirates from copying their content as it was already an issue for years. 

[fabsen]

Hey everyone,

I'm experiencing the same issue and haven't found a workaround yet. I wanted to share this here to let the developers know that there are players using a Linux setup for 3DX.

I've tried using PlayOnLinux with Wine versions 6.x and 8.x, as well as Lutris with the lutris-GE-Proton8-7-x86_64 build.

@Mia, it would be great if you could share your setup.
@Everyone, does anyone know the name of the anti-cheat tool? It might be a standard library used in other games, and maybe another community has found a workaround to fix this issue.

Anybody of you is on discord?

[Vejur]

1 minute ago, fabsen said:

@Everyone, does anyone know the name of the anti-cheat tool? It might be a standard library used in other games, and maybe another community has found a workaround to fix this issue.

Anybody of you is on discord?

I've found the plugin in the JSON files that come with the game, not sure if it's okay to post the name here, though. I already did some research and joined the developers Discord, asking if that plugin works on Linux setups. They said that it was not tested and probably won't work. It does seem to be a very basic, niche and also new anti-cheat solution.

I'm discussing the issue in the bug-report channel on the 3DX-Discord as well.

[Vejur]

So a (the?) lead developer (Gizmo) just announcend in Discord that they need a detailed bug report from every single user that is having issues. I've asked if that includes unsupported setups like Linux with Wine or ARM mac. His answer was that they can only focus on Windows. So it does look like that at least Linux is out of the game from here on.

Since I don't have that much to loose now: it seems like they are using this Unity plugin for anti-cheat: https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/utilities/warden-il2cpp-anti-cheat-273777

I haven't been able to find anything about Linux compatibility, but I've asked in their official Discord and the lead developer said that it was never tested against Linux/Wine and will probably not work.

[Vejur]

I'm going to do another debug session on this on my Linux installation. If anybody wants to join in on the fun, here's the Wine log output up until the point where the launcher quits and the game should start up. I can see the games .exe running, but it doesn't do anything.

Started initial process 8437 from gamemoderun /home/vger/.local/share/lutris/runners/wine/wine-ge-8-26-x86_64/bin/wine /home/vger/Games/3DXChat/3DXChat.exe
Start monitoring process.
gamemodeauto: 
fsync: up and running.
wine: RLIMIT_NICE is <= 20, unable to use setpriority safely
002c:fixme:winediag:LdrInitializeThunk wine-staging 8.0 is a testing version containing experimental patches.
002c:fixme:winediag:LdrInitializeThunk Please mention your exact version when filing bug reports on winehq.org.
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0070:fixme:hid:handle_IRP_MN_QUERY_ID Unhandled type 00000005
0070:fixme:hid:handle_IRP_MN_QUERY_ID Unhandled type 00000005
0070:fixme:hid:handle_IRP_MN_QUERY_ID Unhandled type 00000005
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Initial process has exited (return code: 0)
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[Vejur]

I'm running 3DXChat with Lutris.

What I've already tried: Disabling any interfering programs like gamemode, changing Wine versions, running in Proton or launch directly over Steam. All still have the same effect: the launcher works, game doesn't start.

[fabsen]

Hey Vejur....just want to thank you very much for your effort. I am currently in my office hours so I can't help you that much. 
I also have the impression that you are even more technically adept than I am.

I only made a short research if I can find any other games with this anti-cheat library and they community there found a workaround. Without success yet. 
Also I want to try to run direct in Steam with the current proton version. But I realize 3dx is currently not available on Steam.

Sorry that I can't give you more help.

What about the comment of Mia207 within this threat?

[Vejur]

You can add the game to Steam as a non-Steam-game and then run it via Proton, such as any other game. I've tried but unfortunately it didn't change anything for me. Feel free to try it out for yourself, though!

What's interesting is, that the launcher is writing its log to:

%APPDATA%\..\LocalLow\SexGameDevil\3DXLauncher\

It doesn't have any hint to me about whata could be wrong. The actual game .exe starts, creates an empty log file in:

%APPDATA%\..\LocalLow\SexGameDevil\3DXChat\

And then does nothing.

Edited August 14 by Vejur

[Zanok]

Yep, it broke for me too, it's really a shame

I don't really understand why we need anti cheat in 3DX though, it's not like a competitive game. And like mentioned before, when it comes on Steam with the Steamdeck, it probably won't work now either....

Anyways, did anyone try running it in a Windows VM? Does that still work? Because I don't feel like dual booting my PC.

[Vejur]

22 minutes ago, Zanok said:

Anyways, did anyone try running it in a Windows VM? Does that still work? Because I don't feel like dual booting my PC.

I've just done a quick-and-dirty test via QEMU/libvirt and virtio. It does run, but performance is abysmal. I don't know about your VM solution though.

[Zanok]

I was thinking to try QEMU KVM GPU Passthrough, and see how the performance is. But I still have to set all that up, so I'll give an update when I got that going!

[Vejur]

Regarding Wine, I'm out of ideas. I'm not a developer and the game is delivering near-to-none logs. I'm very sure it's the anti-cheat that is blocking this. And since it seems to be very niche and the developer confirmed it won't work on Windows, this does look like the end of 3DXChat on Linux/Wine to me, if none of the developers, be it 3DX or the anti-cheat, work on a solution for this.

Edited August 14 by Vejur

[Flash2290]

My logs look pretty similar.  I'm using Heroic Games Launcher.  I had troubles with an update a while back, but a simple Winetricks install got me going again.  I'm willing to uninstall and try from scratch.  Does anyone know any new Windows requirements that might need to be added, or have a list of your last working set of addons?  Heroic has a couple of anti-cheat options, but I'm not even sure the game properly updated.  It hung on the last 4 patches.  I finally killed it, then it said it was properly installed.

[Vejur]

I'm using Lutris, which also has some anti-cheat support. But this specific solution is very young with an intial release in March of this year. Before the update, the game worked with the Lutris standard configuration.

[Mia207]

18 hours ago, Vejur said:

That's interesting. Care to share some more info on the Linux and Wine versions you are using?

I am using Fedora and Wine 9.1 and Here is a screenshot of my memory usage.

[Vejur]

17 hours ago, Mia207 said:

I am using Fedora and Wine 9.1 and Here is a screenshot of my memory usage.

That is really interesting ... so there is at least a possible setup where the game starts. All others of us haven't gotten that far. Care to share some more info about your setup? Are you using plain Wine, Lutris, Hero Launcher? Kernel Version, DXVK and VKD3D Version? How do you "start" the game? Are you using the laucher or starting the game .exe directly?

Would also be cool if you could provide us with your Wine logs.

Edited August 15 by Vejur

[silentboy]

I also wonder about the kernel version Mia207 runs. I am on arch running 6.10.

 

Little update: 

Downgrading Arch Linux to the 6.6 kernel didn't do anything so this is one last problem to think about. But then again when it ran 6.10 it did work before the update.

Edited August 15 by silentboy

[Mia207]

I am just launching 3dxchat.exe with plain wine from the terminal.  I think it is using DXVK 1.10.3.  I am using kernel 6.10.3

[silentboy]

Just as a double-check, this is running update 450. Is this Fedora 40 and gnome 46? 

Edited August 16 by silentboy