Beryl

This is not true at all. Trans is more then just going from male to female or visa versa. Its so much more then that... and infinitly more complex Its more then just a life style, its not a perversion, its not just a choice people make. Somebody would choose to dress up as a cat or rabbit. I do not choose to be non-binary. ITS WHO I AM I have as little control over it as you do your natural eye colour And guys... please. Stop this 'a true TG would never...' and assuming what a TG will or will not do. Tans and non-binary are people are people they have hundreds of different personalities and political opinions. There is no single Trans gender personality or single trans ideology, unless they tell you, or show you. There is LITTERALY no way to tell who is trans or who is not. We have no choice but to take their word when they say they are and that's it. The consequences of not believing somebody when the come out as non-binary or trans are to high let alone immoral. AGAIN: It is possible to make everyone happy WITHOUT making people pay 10k for a new avatar. A solution that should be easy to add. A character editor option to change your genitalia. A option only YOU have access to. NOBODY will be able to change it. We already have a penis model for female avi's a vagina model for male avi's won't be that hard surly. The Male bisexual poses just need small tweaks to make them vaginal. This way all the 'snowflakes' get what they want for very little dev cost (I know the devs are.... slow. I'm not asking for this right now.), and we won't have to add a 3rd gender option. Nobody thus far has come forward with any counter to this and in fact some people have even posted suggestions the same as this or near enough Edit: I will continue to bang on about trans inclusion, acknowledgement and acceptance until a point where we have true equality. I know it takes time and I know it takes work but on this I hold my opinion on my sleeve and will talk about whenever asked or when the topic turns that way. I don't care if people have heard it before and I don't care if people hate me for it, i've already known hate.

*sigh* As much as I hate arguing and debating its important. And we should never shy away from challenging people or even shy away from being challenged. We don't have to convince bigots of being bigots, they are already a lost cause. By challenging them in a public we may be able to sway people watching... the lurkers (Looks right at you! Yes you! The person who read this whole thread and didn't post! I know who you are!) who have not yet decided on a solid opinion and show them a just and good alternative to bigotry

Bicycles... really... Bicycles... Take your borderline TERF garbage somewhere else. I like this. Its pretty much what I suggested. A character editor option... that way nobody has to spend 10k on changing it

Bye Felicia

Just so you know I am biologically female. I know all the struggles and I have even studied them... in excruciating detail. So think again when you say I don't know anything about what a woman is or what they deal with. Also. I DO NOT WANT TAKE YOUR RIGHTS AWAY! I am trying to explain to you that there are more women out there who are being excluded, left in the dark and left behind because they are not cis. THEY ARE WOMEN, They are like you! They may not have a womb... they may even have a penis. They may suffer slightly differently because of it but they suffer mostly like you. Their struggles... MY STRUGGLES, Are the same as yours. I'm not asking to share a safe space, not even asking for some kind of profound sisterhood. Just recognition that I... they... we exist. And in a place like 3dx where you can be as you wish... It would be nice if there was a little more of that inclusion.. More recognition for trans people and people like me WITHOUT taking away any recognition from women. I am on your side, please understand that! But I cannot accept that you, or any person, man or woman has any kind of right to decide the gender of another human being

If you say you are a woman then you are a woman. I'm not saying you are not https://www.dictionary.com/browse/woman I don't see any reference to a womb being required for womanhood. What about women who were born without a womb, women who for whatever reason have lost there ability to birth children? Are they excluded? No longer women as you see it And what about men or intersex people who have wombs and can have children... Are they women to?

That is totally wrong in so many ways. It is not up to you to decide what makes a woman a woman. And it is NOT you who gets to decide if a person is a woman or not. Also... Nobody here is against you! What you want is what I want! But to say trans people are not women like that is insulting and beyond ignorant

I'm 90% sure because I know there are a lot more ftm trans people then people realise and I can extrapolate to 3dx also considering online communities like 3dx also tend to have more trans participants then real world communities for obvious reason. Trans people are made up of various groups including ftm and others would would like to be in a male body with some of them more then happy to keep their vagina. Sure... demand might not be as high, but I do think it would be a good idea to to business wise if that is so important. I think of it this way, being more inclusive and being proud of being more inclusive is attractive to people in 2020. If 3dx is known as being open and inclusive to ftm trans people then it would not only attract ftm trans people to the service but also other non-binary, trans, gay, bi, lesbian and all sorts of other non hetero-normative people (That is a lot of people btw) who can now see that 3dx is serious about LGBT rights and inclusion. Now that I have established A potential business value... The cost. The cost is small. I am suggesting is a vagina on a male model. Women who have the penis equipped already use the MF poses most of the time with no issue. And the bisexual poses (the ones where the man is taking anal) can very easily be slightly tweaked to be vaginal. (Most vaginal poses are basically anal poses anyway... just slightly tweaked) I really can't imagine it being that much work and like I said before, business wise, it would be worth the cost. Final point. Ignoring morality in favour of better business is something that companies have been doing as justification to put down and discriminate against LGBT people for decades and decades. The fact of the matter is accepting LGBT people will not make business start to loose money, if anything it would make business boom as they now have access to wider markets and potential employees.

I get what you mean. But those people defiantly exist even if they are not showing themselves. And equality is a good thing! If people are suggesting it then that is good. It would only be a small thing to add as you are adding the penis for female avatars. You could do it all together in a single update

Thank you! Also some trans people don't see their penis as a male part and would like to keep it after they transition, and i'm sure they are trans-men out their who feel the same about their vaginas The only reason we mark penis's as masculine gendered is because we see them on men most of the time, if you removed any cultural projection there no real reason to assume a penis is masculine gendered. But I digress Thanks for this post!!

Arggg! Its a super simple concept! Why are people so insistent on over complicating the matter! People who use the penis attachment on a female avatar Trans women pre or post transition it literally doesn't matter, a trans woman is a trans woman or a woman, regardless of sex, Men and woman who's fantasy it is to be a woman with a penis People who's gender doesn't match their physical sex completely and do not strictly fall under 'trans' (<-- That's me!) The real debate of the matter is two of those groups would like something more then they way it is currently. Not different... just more. Nobody is suggesting taking away anything from anyone so group 2 would be fine to continue living out their fantasy. We are arguing semantics here. Trans, Futa, herm, femboy... whatever you want to call yourself. As long as your not being a ass and not deliberately offending people and are open to being corrected if you are being offensive you can call yourself as you wish. There is a suggestion that can solve this for everyone at very little cost When making a character you could have the option to pick your genitalia seperatly from your avatars sex. Male avatars would be able to have vaginas and female avatars could have penises and they would be stuck... no pose can remove them or change them... Those poses would simply be unavailable for selection. A cis woman who has not chosen to have a penis would also not have a penis added to them via poses because to access them you would have to have the penis equipped as it works now, with the exception of if it is not equipped said poses are also unavailable for selection The poll is fine the way it is. Its clear and simple. Would the game be better with proper transgender avatars would be a better wording. But its obvious what it means and you would be silly to not see it

Always going to be unhappy people... The suggestion I said earlier solves the unwanted penis and the unwanted removal of a penis along with giving trans men the option of having a vagina. IMO that would make the most people happy and require the least amount of work

Yeah... I would like that. Its very 'slash and burn' though. It would require a lot of very drastic changes and a lot of work

That is very close to what I suggested earlier in the thread

Your right. Just added options on options is not realistic. The problem being discusses is it makes cis women uncomfortable when poses add a penis to them against their will and it make trans women and non-binary people uncomfortable when they loose their penis when certain poses are selected