JessicaX

Every single thread that gets derailed.. and yes i mean EVERY SINGLE THREAD that gets derailed and turns into insults and bickering, there is always one person who is part of it, and it's always the same person. Coincidence? I think not.

I didn't say you did.

#1 problem in these forums... right there

I'm sorry but to simply say there's no way to protect against it is laughable and very lazy at best. Just making a statement like this says a lot about one's personality and views. ALL other companies find ways to do it. Anything at this point would be better than nothing. I'm also tired of people circling the issues and dodging the obvious problems by posting things we already know about. For the 1000000000th time.. Yes we know what Gizmo said. We don't need it "referred to" over and over. There's no reason 3DX can't make an effort. Paying users are creating content and increasing the value of their product for FREE. There's no logical reason why they can't do something to protect these people's creations. Yes we all know they can do what they want. (or attempt to at least) Yes we all know Gizmo has given his stance (many millions of times over) Yes we all know nothing on the internet is always 100% secure. Yes we all know there will always be bugs in everything (wait what? where did this come from? where did this idea come from that everything has bugs in it? That is simply not true at all) None of the above changes the fact that what is happening is plain and simple.. WRONG. Most companies would attempt do something about it to protect their users who are actually creating this content, which is very high quality and enjoyed by all users, at zero cost to the development team! You will never in a million years convince me or anyone else that there is no way to fix this. That's called being lazy and close minded. It is not the norm in any online social world, it is not right, and it's something that I feel should be addressed in one way or another. On the ideas of others, I have created a thread to try and make a difference and/or maybe take a step in the right direction, TRYING to do something or anything. I was met with ridicule and negativity by the same few people who scour these threads daily to try and tell everyone: That idea wont work, that idea is dumb, you should do this instead, you should play like this, you should just accept things for how they are. I have already given my points on such topics. I don't feel the need to have to apologize for it, but I am not a sheep conformist that accepts things as they are without question, especially when they are detrimental to so many people in so many ways.

This was not about he legality of user created content. This had to do with people paying real money for virtual items in SL and whether or not those people had actual ownership of those items after paying money for them. Linden Labs did not "give ownership" to people. The users of SL filed a class action lawsuit against them. Also, this was not just a few years ago, this was nearly 10 years ago.

Growth can only happen when the product is invested in. There is no growth when you sit back and collect a bigger and bigger check. And yes, sometimes taking a step back is needed to see the big picture and possible identify what the issues are and and trying to fix those issues at the core. Maybe that's why they haven't fixed any bugs in 5 years. They could be taking a step back and assessing the issues for one big fix. And I too would love this person Nikki mentions to get involved but alas... free and hands off is always better from a business standpoint right?

That can always be a problem and I do the same thing. I place things near the camera spawn in point but just raise them really high before I merge them into the other room, that way it should be easier to find them because they should just be above where the camera spawns in. Thankfully I don't merge many things.

Oh yes I see it... you have posted it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. They clearly find it acceptable because they allow it. That is the very essence of accepting something, when you have the power to do something about it and choose not to. They punish someone who shows others how to do it, yet they freely allow anyone to do it. You can turn a blind eye and be accepting of this if you choose. Many others, myself included will not. I honestly don't ever expect anything to get done about it. There's been bugs in the game for years that could have been fixed with simple code changes yet here we are 5 years later with the same bugs. You are not going to change my mind on this. Maybe it's just time for us to agree to disagree. You are someone that accepts the way things are without question. I am not built this way.

Investing any money back into the product seems to be something that only happens on the most rare of occasions. It's a strange tactic that has a 100% guaranteed failure rate over the long haul, but what do we know? We are just a bunch of pervs.

I don't see a button in game that says: Copy this room So ANY procedure in doing this is considered a hack and using the software in ways for which it was not intended to gain access to something that is not possible without using such hack. It's very simple logic. if someone copies a room, it is a hack, plain and simple. But don't you dare talk about that hack.. that will get you suspended. But using the hack... sure go ahead, we are too lazy to do anything about it. It takes too much time and costs too much to fix! Yes we all know nothing is 100% secure, but it would not take much to implement even something that could watermark or ID a room to a certain user and then encrypt the data being sent. Will it be 100% successful in every instance? certainly not, but it would be easier to track who is doing it and it would also be better than doing absolutely nothing to try and protect the data. Repeating what Gizmo said over and over and telling everyone nothing will work is unacceptable to me. Sorry. I am not a conformist. When I see something happening that I think is not right, I will speak up about it, and this situation we have right here is not right.

I agree on most of what you said except for what has been quoted above. This major issue here is that in order to copy a user's room, you must use third party programs and/or use the software in ways for which it was not intended to gain access to something that the framework of 3dx was not designed for. This labels that action as a hack, which is clearly against the ToS that was posted by the devs themselves. If they want to hold a stance that user rooms are public info, then how can it be justified that a user was suspended by giving out the information on how to do this? They can't take the stance by accepting that room copying is acceptable but showing someone how to do it will get you suspended. The act of suspending someone for posting the hack clearly shows that the act of copying a room does go against the ToS. So my question is: How is it worse to provide information on how to perform the act than to actually perform the act?

I think you need to understand something. What I do in 3dx and how I see this product and what I do with my time here is MY concern, not yours. You have no right to right to try and tell me or anyone else what this is and how it should be used. 3DX is different for everyone. We all use it in different ways and we all get something different from it. I can only feel sorry for you if you think 3dx is a "sex game" only. The "sex game" aspect got boring to me after being here for 30 days. The social aspect is what keeps me here. I don't expect you or anyone else to understand that, but in the same way, I will not try to tell you that you cannot make porno videos out of avatars and sex poses that all look the same. If that's your thing then knock yourself out. Just don't tell me what 3dx is or should be. I know what it is, just as you know what it is for you.

This is a terrible analogy. SexGameDevil does not need to hack their own game to convert a user room for use in a public location. If they did decide to do that, i am quite sure they would give credit to the people who built it. You seem to be unable to understand the root issue: People are hacking their game to make copies of other people's rooms which is very clearly against the ToS. They have come out and stated that they will allow this, yet they suspended a user for showing people how to do what they already said was acceptable. The action of stealing the room is acceptable but giving out the information on how to do that is a worse offense. It's truly the most backwards way of thinking I have seen here yet. The only answer I have seen to this has been: "It's their game and they can do what they want". Ok then why have any rules at all? if you aren't even going to enforce the rules, how are we to know which ones are valid and which ones aren't? This is going to affect them in the long run. maybe not now and maybe not next week, but it will affect them if they don't do anything about it.

The answer is... Gizmo has the power and ability to put something together so that this doesn't even happen in the 1st place. Yes you don't like the room ownership thread, it's not a perfect solution and I agree, but it's something! What we don't need is the constant reminder of how things are. I think what the OP is looking for is positive ideas instead of posts where we are all told what he already stated. His stance is that he does not care if the rooms are stolen, but he did suspend a user for showing how to steal the rooms. That means that the giving out information on how to perform an act is seen as worse than actually doing the act. Your reply to this has been something like: "It's his game and he can do what he wants". Well technically you are right, but that doesn't mean it's right. Some people like myself stand up and voice an opinion when we see something that doesn't seem right. Others sit by and just simply accept the way things are. There has never been a single time in our history of this world when clear wrong doing is in effect and has turned out in a positive way by accepting the status quo.

Or they could simply encrypt their data even a tiny bit.

In this current round of issues of streaming in private rooms... every case where the issue was people not able to hear the music... the DJ was using myradiostream.... I use gecko, others use other providers, no issues with any other provider. That is all I can tell you. I can tell you that not all stream servers are of the same quality, sure the common software for shoutcast is Centova but that is only 1 part of a larger machine.

https://www.mixcloud.com/Jess010783/3dx-milliways-june-30th-2018/

Epic party at Milliways

Brett, the point this whole time is that posting the rules is kinda silly because they don't enforce them in a consistent way. Its hacking and using the software in ways it was not intended for, in order to copy a user room. The stance is that... It's ok to use these hacks and copy these rooms. But if you show people how to do it, you will be punished. I'm sorry but you can't logic that any way you slice it. It makes no sense.

I didn't know those were yours.. i have have visited all these locations, that bridge is super crazy realistic in VR.

This is exactly the point. Why was Pier banned for showing how to do this, but the people who actually do this are free to run wild and the devs don't care? Seem's messed up to allow countless people to break rules and only punish the one who tried to show others how to do it.

BTW.. this is what it's like to be a DJ in 3DX.

The public room thing has been an issue also. The music just stops randomly sometimes. But in private rooms.. its a much bigger issue. There's many times the stream cannot even be heard at all or will stop even after a few seconds. And in every case I know of for me personally, its because the stream was from myradiostream. I don't mean to offend anyone but everyone i have ever known that has ever used this service has had countless issues over the years. I would suggest something different.

or dumb enough.. depending on how ya read that.

Also I don't think Rob is smart enough to steal a room