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[Vaughan_Rarius]

Tsela's right. Men need more clothes and I think more pose choices can only be good for the game.

[Tsela]

45 minutes ago, Sage Stoner said:

But you are preaching to the choir. You think these things haven't been said a thousand times before over the past five years? The only thing new in this thread is someone trying to blame other players for what the devs have or haven't put in the game.

Don't try to twist it, in that clumsy way  That is a blatant lie, and you know it. It's not me blaming other players for what the devs have or haven't put in the game. Quote me where I blamed the players for the problems with the game. It's you and some others who blame players, when they talk about issues the game obviously has. And it doesn't matter what has been said a thousand times over the past five years, it will be said again since the issue persists. Is that a problem for you?

Edited October 3, 2019 by Tsela

[Sage Stoner]

12 minutes ago, Tsela said:

Don't try to twist it, in that clumsy way  That is a blatant lie, and you know it. 

I'm not twisting anything, nor is it a blatant lie. I am just stating my opinion. Maybe you should take a deep breath and realize that a lot of people agree with you. But that doesn't mean you have to keep beating a dead horse.

[Tsela]

5 minutes ago, Sage Stoner said:

I'm not twisting anything, nor is it a blatant lie. I am just stating my opinion. Maybe you should take a deep breath and realize that a lot of people agree with you. But that doesn't mean you have to keep beating a dead horse.

No it wasn't an opinion, it was a flat out lie, implying that I blamed "other players" anywhere here on these forums for the problems with the game. 

But as I said. even if something was said before, it will be said again, if the problem persists. And since I didn't say it before, now it's my turn talking about it. I hope that's alright with you.

Edited October 3, 2019 by Tsela

[Sage Stoner]

1 minute ago, Tsela said:

No it wasn't an opinion, it was a flat out lie, implying that I blamed "other players" 

What I wrote was not in response to you nor did I mention you. You put yourself into you. Not my problem.

[Tsela]

Just now, Sage Stoner said:

What I wrote was not in response to you nor did I mention you. You put yourself into you. Not my problem.

Well if this is some sort of misunderstanding, then I apologise. 

[Sage Stoner]

2 minutes ago, Tsela said:

Well if this is some sort of misunderstanding, then I apologise. 

It's fine. I don't always express myself clearly. either. 

We all have things about the game we don't like, and I have in the past whined about them as much as anyone. But the game is, sad to say, the way the devs want it. If they didn't want it this way, they would have made it differently.

As paying customers, we can complain all we want, of course. 

[SusanLouisa]

1 hour ago, Sage Stoner said:

But you are preaching to the choir. You think these things haven't been said a thousand times before over the past five years? The only thing new in this thread is someone trying to blame other players for what the devs have or haven't put in the game.

If it is not, then why are they even mentioned? There are male characters and female characters in this game. Yes, the female characters have more and better clothes, dances, and poses. We all know this. This is how the developers have made the game for nearly 7 years now. It's the devs choice that the game is this way, not the players.

Not really. In fact, it's mostly about people getting their knickers in a twist and whining about it in public.

If I am preaching to the choir then why has Tsela had to explain himself for 3 days?  I'm sure it has been mentioned a 1000 times over the past 5 years. That means no one should mention again? It apparently was not heard.  So voices need to be louder.

I did not bring them into this conversation....they brought themselves in.

To men playing this game it seems it IS about equality. They want an equal number of wardrobe and pose choices that the women have. "Whining" about what we all want in public is about the only choice we have. ~grins~ never you mind about my 'knickers'

 

[Sage Stoner]

8 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

~grins~ never you mind about my 'knickers'

Why, I am not gonna be able to think about anything else for the rest of the day now.

[Leeloo]

13 hours ago, Tsela said:

There is no TG on the game. That is a FUTA. 

Futa or futanari (to be precise) is a japanese word that is used to talk about androgyne, transgender or hermaphrodite peoples. So if you say there is no TG in game you should also say there is no futa. If you admit that there is futanaris in game, then you admit that there is TG too.

[Aliviax]

More clothes for all so we be fair  but something tells me wont be in the very very very near future  cause other stuff are on the making n on the planing .

My guess is after the pose editor update we will see clothes  lets not forget the experimental cloth system tho also 

[Xizi]

Tbh I am pretty sure that even if devs will release more clothes – at least half of them will be for girls. And even if after/before pose editor devs will release the clothes editor – it still will be done a lot more clothes for girls than for guys. I doubt there will be equality in amount of clothes for guys and girls at any point. Like Ex already noted even irl it stays this way.

[Twiggy]

1 minute ago, Ross said:

Did i miss a recent post about the phantom pose or clothes editor from an admin because outside of mentioning a possible pose editor once, asking people if they would like it , seen zip on it since.  

Gizmo did say somewhere that the pose editor is coming, he confirmed that just not long ago in thread somewhere, wouldn't say when, or if it was going to allow 3some poses to be created, but did confirm it is coming.

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

35 minutes ago, Ross said:

Thank you

 

[Twiggy]

The Futas, transgenders and even males who are trying to touch on their feminine side I believe represent only a small of the thousands of female avis in 3DXChat that are male operated. I would even go as far as saying I feel that the amount of actual futas would likely be less than actual females who play the game. Put it this way, it is either that or the game is a really big attraction for futas for it to get the numbers it does, so much so that it can out number the actual females playing by at least 5 to 1, which I don't believe could happen or even come close. So what we have is a pile of guys playing as females for other reasons, and I believe they make up by far the majority of the male controlled females. I tried finding if any studies had been done it some time ago now, but could only find studies on online games where they said something like 19% of men play as females, that is in like shoot em up kill em dead type games. There they said that most say they do so because they like having a female they can dress how they want, make her do what they want and enjoy watching her butt and things. I did find where one study did mention that although they had not done any real research on online sex games from the little they had done they believed it would be as high as 2 to 3 times more. So in a game like 3DXChat it would mean that around half the men will have female characters.

People can say all they want things like it can't be helped, it is the devs decision, it is the way of the Internet and try saying it is an invasion of privacy or that it doesn't effect others games. I think everyone including the guys doing this know the reality of it, that them doing so effects the game of others in a very negative way, doubt, dis trust, fights, people leaving and people not even prepared to start because of the reputation of these types of games being filled with men playing as women are just some of the problems it causes. Even the guys doing this, most, if they find out someone is a guy behind the keyboard aren't interested in getting together with them, and that is the reason I think why very few put it in their profiles. They will try to argue it shouldn't matter but with most it also matters to them.

Yes I blame them for ruining the game for everyone else and I do not so much blame the devs. Oh and I do know that Gizmo about 4 years ago was not happy in the direction the game was going in relation to this, but it does seem over the last couple of years he has decided it is the market he needs to look after as it has become the dominate part of his current player base.

You can argue all you want that the numbers keep building but a game like this that has been going for 7 years to only have around 7,000 members is very low. Yes you can attribute some of that to slow updates and other things but I believe the main reason is so many men playing as females, like if I had not started in the game the way I did and had come in looking at the poses shown of late for updates, where lots of them have females with cocks, I know I would not have even considered starting. If you look in a good number of websites where people discuss 3DXChat and what it is like you will always find a good number of people saying it is full of men playing as women. Plus it doesn't take very long for anyone who does start to realise that is the case where lots of them for that reason alone choose not to stay past the 1st month.

The reason I and I think others are bringing this up yet again is because it has become apparent in recent updates that the devs are now looking at these guys as their main market. They seem not willing to consider anything that could help reduce all the dis trust and doubt it creates, not willing to take a chance in upsetting what is his main player base. So for the rest of us for us to continue to play we have to put up with all the dis trust, all the doubt, all the drama, having so many poses in our menus we will never use and be careful not to click the wrong poses and play the game these guys want us to play because they have forced it on the devs.

Now you can laugh at it all you want, but the reality of it is that these guys, not the real futas, but the guys who just want to play as females because they can get off doing so, have very much destroyed the game for the majority of the other 50% of guys that don't to do it, the majority of women both hetero sexual and lesbian and even some of the other genders. It is the main reason they have become so dominant in the game.

I for one won't be back no matter how good the pose editor is or how many clothes are done, as long as women have to share our gender and menus with these guys the game is not worth it.

[Aliviax]

1 hour ago, Xizl said:

Tbh I am pretty sure that even if devs will release more clothes – at least half of them will be for girls. And even if after/before pose editor devs will release the clothes editor – it still will be done a lot more clothes for girls than for guys. I doubt there will be equality in amount of clothes for guys and girls at any point. Like Ex already noted even irl it stays this way.

one correction xizi its not clothe editor its cloth system ..clothe editor u would be able to create clothes, clothe system u just tweack the clothes example make a skirt shorter or longer

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

7 minutes ago, Aliviax said:

one correction xizi its not clothe editor its cloth system ..clothe editor u would be able to create clothes, clothe system u just tweack the clothes example make a skirt shorter or longer

Editor - Edition - Edit, means you can edit/change something was created before.

Edited October 3, 2019 by ☙𝔼𝕩❧

[Aliviax]

39 minutes ago, Twiggy said:

The Futas, transgenders and even males who are trying to touch on their feminine side I believe represent only a small of the thousands of female avis in 3DXChat that are male operated. I would even go as far as saying I feel that the amount of actual futas would likely be less than actual females who play the game. Put it this way, it is either that or the game is a really big attraction for futas for it to get the numbers it does, so much so that it can out number the actual females playing by at least 5 to 1, which I don't believe could happen or even come close. So what we have is a pile of guys playing as females for other reasons, and I believe they make up by far the majority of the male controlled females. I tried finding if any studies had been done it some time ago now, but could only find studies on online games where they said something like 19% of men play as females, that is in like shoot em up kill em dead type games. There they said that most say they do so because they like having a female they can dress how they want, make her do what they want and enjoy watching her butt and things. I did find where one study did mention that although they had not done any real research on online sex games from the little they had done they believed it would be as high as 2 to 3 times more. So in a game like 3DXChat it would mean that around half the men will have female characters.

People can say all they want things like it can't be helped, it is the devs decision, it is the way of the Internet and try saying it is an invasion of privacy or that it doesn't effect others games. I think everyone including the guys doing this know the reality of it, that them doing so effects the game of others in a very negative way, doubt, dis trust, fights, people leaving and people not even prepared to start because of the reputation of these types of games being filled with men playing as women are just some of the problems it causes. Even the guys doing this, most, if they find out someone is a guy behind the keyboard aren't interested in getting together with them, and that is the reason I think why very few put it in their profiles. They will try to argue it shouldn't matter but with most it also matters to them.

Yes I blame them for ruining the game for everyone else and I do not so much blame the devs. Oh and I do know that Gizmo about 4 years ago was not happy in the direction the game was going in relation to this, but it does seem over the last couple of years he has decided it is the market he needs to look after as it has become the dominate part of his current player base.

You can argue all you want that the numbers keep building but a game like this that has been going for 7 years to only have around 7,000 members is very low. Yes you can attribute some of that to slow updates and other things but I believe the main reason is so many men playing as females, like if I had not started in the game the way I did and had come in looking at the poses shown of late for updates, where lots of them have females with cocks, I know I would not have even considered starting. If you look in a good number of websites where people discuss 3DXChat and what it is like you will always find a good number of people saying it is full of men playing as women. Plus it doesn't take very long for anyone who does start to realise that is the case where lots of them for that reason alone choose not to stay past the 1st month.

The reason I and I think others are bringing this up yet again is because it has become apparent in recent updates that the devs are now looking at these guys as their main market. They seem not willing to consider anything that could help reduce all the dis trust and doubt it creates, not willing to take a chance in upsetting what is his main player base. So for the rest of us for us to continue to play we have to put up with all the dis trust, all the doubt, all the drama, having so many poses in our menus we will never use and be careful not to click the wrong poses and play the game these guys want us to play because they have forced it on the devs.

Now you can laugh at it all you want, but the reality of it is that these guys, not the real futas, but the guys who just want to play as females because they can get off doing so, have very much destroyed the game for the majority of the other 50% of guys that don't to do it, the majority of women both hetero sexual and lesbian and even some of the other genders. It is the main reason they have become so dominant in the game.

I for one won't be back no matter how good the pose editor is or how many clothes are done, as long as women have to share our gender and menus with these guys the game is not worth it.

@Twiggy  the main reason not many females play the game is the lack of clothes and accesories there is no female in the world that dont care about clothes accesories n fashion in general .

Some ideas to attract more females is:   - Clothes many cool clothes-shoes-earrings for example Sl tho its graphics are crappy its has over 250k clothes to choose ofc u have to buy them n trust me people buy them (i dont say now sell clothes in 3dxchat but 3dxchat needs lot of updates with clothes )

Also needs more updates  targeted in the social aspect of the game.

saddly 3dxchat is tagged as a porn game in ppl minds, im in so many social media platforms and i realized they think of 3dxchat in this way ..So moves to fix that image needs to be done ...Dev team did some steps in that direction updating game with more quality of life stuff but needs way more .

So after we get the experimental clothe system -the hair editor system and the pose editor next updates should be clothes for both girls n men and i would go as far as to say  : Girls 60 % of clothes and men 40 % of clothes dont be mad men lol if u want to see more females then females have to see here more fashion

 

[Aliviax]

19 minutes ago, ☙𝔼𝕩❧ said:

Editor - Edition - Edit, means you can edit/change something was created before.

yeah i wanted to seperate them tho cause editor here u make things out of 0 like build editor .(system )as clothe system u just tweack something that is already there so in that sense we cant say cloth editor cause we wont be able to make entire new clothes except if that cloth system gets updates and in the future be able to even make from 0 

[Xizi]

@Twiggy you sure fixated on this "guys playing girls/futa" subject. You accused me of defending that kind of behavior in every topic, but you are actually the one who tries to BRING it in discussion, even if topic itself and discussion in it not much related to this subject, but you anyway trying to touch and bring to discussion this "guys playing girls and ruining teh game" topic, like you want to talk about it all the time and it's the only, or at least if not only – then most important subject possible, and keep burning with rage and frustration about it for months and months long even if you left the game for good. That's really weird... Much more weird than some guy playing as a girl in online game lol.

And for you information – there is no such a thing like "actual"/"real" futas. Futas – are fantasy stuff, it goes from japanesse culture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futanari

It's appropriate to call it futa in game, because futa have quite a wide range definition, but it's not correct to call a real people like this. If you would really regularly check people profiles like you said, you prolly would find ones (I for example saw a few ones like this) where person specifying in their profile that they are rl mtf transgender and not "futa" and don't want to be called like this. I mean calling girls with dicks avis "futa" is correct, but talking about real people no. It's pre-op transgenders, tgirls, but sure not "futa", futa is about games/arts, but not about real life.

On 10/3/2019 at 9:08 PM, Twiggy said:

You can argue all you want that the numbers keep building but a game like this that has been going for 7 years to only have around 7,000 members is very low. Yes you can attribute some of that to slow updates and other things but I believe the main reason is so many men playing as females

Oh and I do know that Gizmo about 4 years ago was not happy in the direction the game was going in relation to this, but it does seem over the last couple of years he has decided it is the market he needs to look after as it has become the dominate part of his current player base.

Yeah, but what you have aside of your believe and how will you explain then that years ago, when the game was not like today and Gizmo was not so aimed to satisfy this category of players – online of the game was even lower? I was not playing myself at this times, but all my friends who played 3dxchat for long confirmed that before this game had even lower online.

So maybe the real big problem of low online is lack of money/desire to spend money on advertisement, not the guys playing as a girls (because you will see it in ANY game of same genre)? Maybe the problem is low amount of content? Maybe some people are stopped because of paywall (I am not saying p2p is bad, I am all up for p2p instead of f2p with market, I just admit that such type of paying model, especially whiteout any kind of trial, can lower online). Maybe you just want to see guys playing females as a main problem, huh? What you have beside your "believe" and your speculations about why people leaving the game to give your position some weight? Do you have any actual statistic of reasons why people leave or you just gathered data from the peeps who you knew and know and who obviously mostly share your views?  And btw. Try one f2p game, mnf club. It's far from good in my opinion, 3dxchat better in so much aspects, but mnf club good as an example because it's same genre, it's free and it plays in browser. It have no option to play as a futa. But you will see a lot of people with "futa" or "sissy" in name and the real amount of guys playing as a female avis there even bigger then the ones with it in name/profile. Prolly a lot bigger. So Gizmo not ruining the game. He just giving his game's community what that community asks for. 

On 10/3/2019 at 9:08 PM, Twiggy said:

The Futas, transgenders and even males who are trying to touch on their feminine side I believe represent only a small of the thousands of female avis in 3DXChat that are male operated. I would even go as far as saying I feel that the amount of actual futas would likely be less than actual females who play the game. Put it this way, it is either that or the game is a really big attraction for futas for it to get the numbers it does, so much so that it can out number the actual females playing by at least 5 to 1, which I don't believe could happen or even come close. So what we have is a pile of guys playing as females for other reasons, and I believe they make up by far the majority of the male controlled females. I tried finding if any studies had been done it some time ago now, but could only find studies on online games where they said something like 19% of men play as females, that is in like shoot em up kill em dead type games. There they said that most say they do so because they like having a female they can dress how they want, make her do what they want and enjoy watching her butt and things. I did find where one study did mention that although they had not done any real research on online sex games from the little they had done they believed it would be as high as 2 to 3 times more. So in a game like 3DXChat it would mean that around half the men will have female characters.

And again – no proofs, only numbers from some research, of course without any link on it, so we have to just believe that this research: 1. exists. 2. properly done 3. trustable.

And the research that is about "shoot em up kill em dead type games" that have close to zero relation to the social/sex games and the reasons why males play females in this different genres can vary drastically, but you, or the guys who made this "research" just extrapolate both their numbers (because they "believed" lol) and conclusions from shooter games to sex games. Very professional. Xizl claps loudly. Seems like a very trustable research, lol. 

I agree with you tho that real transgenders, at least if we consider only the ones who go through hrt or other changes of their body, just a small part of the community, probably even a lot less than biologic females. It's obvious just because they are very small portion of population in general, so even if their concentration in game is big – it's a very low chance that they are majority.

But it's actually quite a lot of closeted (because of various reasons) transgenders, crossdressers, sissys, femboys, just a guys who have a craving to get in touch with their feminine side and see such a game like a good way to do so. And all of them playing female or futas avis. How can you be so sure that this kind of people is minority, while majority is the ones who plays as a girl only to jack off on 3d lesbian/tgirls action or to "control" their avi? On what you base your conclusions? On what basis your believe stays? I don't argue that such a guys exist. I even talked with one who privately said me (tho I guess I am not doing a bad thing sharing it, because I am not mentioning the name) that he made a futa avi just because it's a lot easier to get laid playing as a futa than playing as a guy. I DO agree that such players exist. I DO agree that there are a lot of them. But how you can know that such kind of guys are majority of males playing females? Just because you believe so? 

 

Edited October 5, 2019 by Xizl

[☙𝔼𝕩❧]

Made any farm/match 3 simulator for 3dxchat. And don`t provide any interactive drama please, here is a lot.

Edited October 3, 2019 by ☙𝔼𝕩❧

[Sage Stoner]

8 hours ago, Twiggy said:

I would even go as far as saying I feel that the amount of actual futas would likely be less than actual females who play the game.

5 hours ago, Xizl said:

And for you information – there is no such a thing like "actual"/"real" futas. Futas – are fantasy stuff, it goes from japanesse culture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futanari

First of all, I would like to thank Xizl for making the effort to address some of the misconceptions contained in not just Twiggy's post but in posts from many others as well. But I would not recommend the Wikipedia article on futanari as a good place to go for information unless the only thing you are interested in is futanari in manga and anime produced outside of Japan.  

The facts of the matter are as follows:

About 2% of human beings are intersex. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

Intersex people are individuals born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies". Such variations may involve genital ambiguity and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female.

Intersex used to be called hermaphroditism, but that term has fallen into disuse. 

In Japanese, the word futanari means intersex.

The word futanari is also used in Japanese to refer to a certain genre of adult video in which female actors wear a prosthetic penis to portray an intersex character. And it is also used in manga and anime to refer to intersex characters.

In Japanese, futanari is generally not used to refer to transvestites, transgenders, or transsexuals, which each have their own words.

About 2% to 3% of all human infants are born with ambiguous genitalia.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ambiguous-genitalia/symptoms-causes/syc-20369273

If you do not understand the difference between transvestites, transgenders, or transsexuals, I recommend the following slide show as a good place to start learning.

I do know of at least one intersex person who used to play 3DX.

If there are any factual errors in the above post, I would appreciate being told and I will correct them.

 

 

 

 

[Sage Stoner]

8 hours ago, Twiggy said:

The Futas, transgenders and even males who are trying to touch on their feminine side I believe represent only a small of the thousands of female avis in 3DXChat that are male operated.

You are not incorrect in identifying several different types of male-operated female characters, but your understanding of what I refer to as the "3DX transgender community" is rather outdated at best and, to be frank, often sounds trans-phobic to me and others.

This is the wrong thread to go into detail. But do us all a favor and educate yourself about us instead speaking from ignorance. 

[Twiggy]

I can't believe you are accusing us of not being understanding when you refuse to accept the problems it causes us. 

Why is it that the majority of them are so against a 3rd gender when they know that them being included in the female gender causes so many problems for both hetero sexual males and females both hetero sexual and lesbian and can even also cause problems for yourselves. Do you think you can say you have been understanding towards us there, no you have not.

Why is it, if what these people do is so innocent the majority of them have to hide it, not only from us but from others that do the same.

Why should we have to keep being understanding and bowing to your needs when you always fail to consider ours.

It causes many problems for us and the game, you can't deny that, but when ever they are brought up you take the attitude that we just have to bare it if we want to play, you will not budge an inch insisting on no change and that you have a right to play the way you want. Well we have that right to but you don't seem to want to recognise that and I would even go as far as saying you seem to think you have more right than us.

[Xizi]

2 hours ago, Twiggy said:

I can't believe you are accusing us of not being understanding when you refuse to accept the problems it causes us. 

You do attack the large part of community, spit the hate again and again, wasting hours of your time for it – yet you does not bother yourself to even understand the people you hate and attack. That's literally the bigotry. You ARE the bigot. Feel free to report me for personal attack and insult, but I am stay on my words, because you keep acting like a bigot.

And what do you even mean by "refuse to accept the problems". You think this part of community you attack on regular basis – some well organized society with some kind of gatherings every Wednesday's evening? With some speaker and leader? Like "Hey guys! You know... We causing problems to Twiggy and a lot of other people. Well, at least she says so. So let's all put in our profiles info about our real gender.." I may surprise you, but "guys playing as a girls" is not some well organized community, it's a lot of separate persons, each with their own believes, just like you or me or anyone else in this thread. You attack the whole group, spitting out your hate again and again without bothering yourself to even check the theory in a slightest and try to understand ones who you see like your enemies in your useless war, that will lead to nothing but you exploding with more and more full of butthurt and bigotry forum posts, because even if sometime you provide a good solutions, most of time you just spite new and new portions of hate and bigotry – you can't expect people listen to you and actually caring about your feelings when you act this way, your efforts are useless and a big part of why it's so – is the way you act. What are you actually trying to achieve? You really don't understand that with the way you act you most probably will not change anyone's opinion, maximum will get a little support from someone thinking the same way (tho even this seems to happen quite rarely)? Or you have no real positive goal to achieve and regular release of hate and frustration burling in you – is a very goal of your posts?

2 hours ago, Twiggy said:

Why is it that the majority of them are so against a 3rd gender

And how do you know that the ones who voted against it is mostly guys playing girls? How do you know that it's not some transphobic people with "this fucking tgs already had enough! 3rd gender?? Haha, fuck them!" or some fucking warrior of reason "There is only 2 biologic sexes in real life (even if it's not fully true) therefore in game it should be only 2 genders too". Or maybe you again just WANT TO BELIEVE that it's they, these nasty guys playing females, the ones who you hate so much, voted against?

Edited October 4, 2019 by Xizl