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X Gold transfer between 3dxchat users.  

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  1. 1. Would you like to have an xGold transfer feature?

    • YES
      32
    • NO
      28
    • I will explain my dual feelings below...
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19 minutes ago, β˜™π”Όπ•©β§ said:

It is so naive to think that I asked to pay for myself, it actually is a lie. It is too naive to think that I am not experienced. That is why i said to someone - "watch your mouth".

You admitted that you played for free because someone else paid for your premium on AChat. I remember because I was interested in how you play free on game where is a subscription. It was public and part of topic. If 3DX does this you can play free again right? Get others to transfer gold to you.Β  Good luck to you.

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Just now, Celestryal said:

You admitted that you played for free because someone else paid for your premium on AChat. I remember because I was interested in how you play free on game where is a subscription. It was public and part of topic. If 3DX does this you can play free again right? Get others to transfer gold to you.Β  Good luck to you.

You're wishful thinking and totally wrong. Live in your dreams. Good luck.

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Just now, Celestryal said:

Am I?Β 

ex on achat payment.jpg

You are. You and SusanLuisa(both by the same words) trying to turn my words against me like I`m playing games in a way someone should pay for me. This is a lie. I pay for myself except Achat which was a gift for me. I will repeat, I was invited to Achat by my friend. I hope you know what the word "friend" means. We both still play second life. When he had trouble paying the rent of his place, I helped him with money completely unselfishly. He is the same. World is not only about greedy things as someone naively(someone`s adorable word here!) thinks.

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If someone is buying XGold they are paying for that with their money.Β  They still are technically by subscription as well as the daily XGold is given when you're a paid subscriber and log in.Β  So either way you're paying for it.Β  It's not just randomly given unless they decide for trouble but that even ties back to you being a subscriber.Β  It opens up more issues than necessary.

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On 11/2/2019 at 1:14 AM, THX said:

You can gamble with tokens or a token economy (like 3DX has). You just can't gamble with tokens that can be converted into real money.

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I think if you look at an old world like RLC, that is over 10 years old and would have faced legal challenges, you can see what you can and can't do.

You CAN be a WG/WG (Working Girl or Working guy - prostitute) and make token that can be converted into real life money legally. There are Australian WG's in RLC and the get paid RL. I don't see a reason you couldn't do either just xgold traded, or a micro economy for anything other than gambling. Keep in mind, there are 9 Franchises worldwide they have also by different names. I think it falls legally more under Phone sex like laws than prostitution. After all, it's just cartoons or cybersex. Both you can pay for legally already.

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I believe you can in SL also..

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As for gambling... Here is how you can...

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VII. PLAY GAMING AND CHIPS:

1.Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β  The Services may offer a virtual form of currency ("Chips") that may be symbolized or nicknamed using fictional, play amounts of Dollars, Euros, other forms of currency, Rays, coins, points, or in any other manner as we may determine. Although nicknamed in this way, such name is strictly to enhance the enjoyment of the Service, and Chips have no value and shall never be redeemable for cash or anything of value. Chips are solely a virtual feature of the game. Without limiting the foregoing, symbols on various virtual machines or games may indicate some form of currency, such as a dollar sign on a slot machine. Regardless of what the symbols, artwork, or other indications may state on a machine or game, they always refer to play money Chips, and not to anything of value.

2.Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β  Chips shall constitute a limited, personal, revocable, non-transferable, non-sublicenseable license to use Chips in conjunction with certain features of the Service, such as play money gaming, You have no right or title in the Chips. All license rights to any Chips associated with your account shall terminate immediately in the event that you attempt to obtain anything of value in exchange for Chips.

3.Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β  We may grant a license to some amount of Chips by giving them to you, selling them to you, exchanging them for Rays, or otherwise. We shall not grant or pay you anything of value in exchange for Chips, nor are you permitted to sell or trade Chips with us or with any other party for anything of value. To be clear, while we may permit you to purchase access to Chips in order to play the games, the transaction can never happen in reverse. Chips may never be exchanged or redeemed for any non-virtual item, for "real world" money or goods, or for any other thing of value. If we sell Chips to you in exchange for Rays or cash, you shall have no right to a refund. We have the right to discontinue some or all of the features that utilize Chips at any time. We may, at our discretion, within the game, allow you to exchange Chips for virtual, digital items within the Service that have no value. The virtual, digital in-game items available for redemption using Chips may be changed or eliminated at any time within our sole discretion. In no event shall you ever be allowed to exchange such virtual, digital in-game items for anything of value.

4.Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β  Except as expressly permitted, and then only through the mechanisms that we specifically provide as part of the Service, you are prohibited from transferring Chips to any other person or entity.

5.Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β  Any Chips obtained as a result of a malfunction, programming error, mistake, use of any automated program or process, or violation of these TOS are considered void. If such Chips have already been exchanged for other items, such items shall be void. Such void Chips or virtual items shall be removed from whatever account they are associated with. If void Chips were exchanged for time-limited virtual items (such as time-limited access to an area of the virtual environment), additional Chips may be removed from your account in place of the void Chips. Intentional use of void Chips or other void items shall be a violation of the TOS.

6.Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β  Chips and play gaming are for fun only. You do not have any right to keep the Chips you have and you may not exchange the Chips for anything of value. Because games need rules, we set out some basic rules in this paragraph. The presence of rules may not be construed as creating any rights to enforce these rules, since they govern a game where nothing of value may be won:

a.Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β  We may have progressive jackpot machines. The progressive jackpot may refer to a fixed jackpot, to a jackpot that varies randomly, to a jackpot that increases relative to the amount of Chips played since the last win, or determined in some other manner.

b.Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β  A malfunction, software bug, or exploit voids all play.

c.Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β  A symbol on progressive or other machines that does not appear on the pay out tables may not be used as a "wildcard" in "any symbol-any symbol-any symbol" type paylines.

d.Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β  When you change the amount of Chips per coin bet, the number of coins or credits indicated on the machine may change to reflect the new denomination.

7.Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β  Because Chips have no value, and function only as part of a game, in running the game, we may take any action we wish at any time with regard to Chips.

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In short, you can gamble in 3DX, but not for anything but fictional things of no value like XGold. Slot machines, who's can jump highest, who will win the wold cup,Β  Raffles, contests, games etc. It would be very fun here - especially things like raffles and games. I think Gizmo has a great idea personally.

There is a game on Steam and I believe it is also a Facebook game now called 4 Kings Casino and slots, that the whole purpose is gambling (facebook has quite a few "casino" type games). Anyway 4 Kings is a free game and you can collect "free chips" through various ways.Β  So, there is a game proving your example (I believe it started as a PS Home game).

Now the "real" gambling involving real money changing hands (online poker) was made illegal here and thus you can't play (from what I understand the Las Vegas casinos and the casinos across the US lobbied to make it illegal because it was hurting their business.)

In the end, all this arguing is moot, as I am sure Sex devil has looked at the legalities and will decide by them, whether we have transferred gold for prostitution.Β Β No company in their right mind will do something illegal so openly. IF it happens and say, Japan says it breaks their laws, then Sex Devil would have to find a way to ban the action from Japanese IPNs. or just not serve Japan and accept losing money there.Β 

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Going through some of the posts not all (a lot of redundancy), I don't think anyone was stupid or being judgmental. The problem with this form of communication is context, especially, if you don't know each other's personalities very well.Β 

I love BOTH Ex and Susan and consider BOTH good friends here. I have NEVER seen either bad mouth anyone, talk down to someone or judge another. I just think that in THIS thread, they were misunderstanding one another and again that is because of context and how what you type is read. I don't think either was calling the other names or trying to belittle the other, intentionally, BUT things may have been taken out of context.

Then again, I may have no idea what the hell I am talking about, which happens far more often than I care to admit... (oops I just admitted it...lol)

Anyway, deep love and respect to both Lady Ex and Lady Susan. @)~~~>~~~

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1 hour ago, panCDCA said:

I am sure Sex devil has looked at the legalities and will decide by them, whether we have transferred gold for prostitution

Well, devsΒ made a poll in discord about xgold transfer already. So I guess they can deal with a consequences. Because if they would not consider adding xgold transfer as an option it would make no sense to make such a poll, right?Β 

1 hour ago, panCDCA said:

Β No company in their right mind will do something illegal so openly.

That's not really true. You'll need to cutΒ your game to the point of making it into something with no sex, no nudes, no violence, and some other "no's" depending on countries if you really aim to make it legal everywhere. There already wasΒ a talkΒ about GTA in this topic. Yes, it's illegal in some countries. So what? It does not make Rockstar Games into bunch of idiots/psychos. Yes, they losing some protentional customers in the countries where their game is banned, but they also get more customers in the countries where it's legal, the customers who want to play the game with violence, criminal stuff, gambling, prostitution, etc.Β 

Β 3dxchat: 1. contains pornography. 2. LGBT friendly.Β Β Same applies to most other sex games.

It's already a reason to be illegal in many countries.Β 

https://www.dailyinfographic.com/porn-laws-around-the-world-infographic

https://www.humandignitytrust.org/lgbt-the-law/map-of-criminalisation/

1 hour ago, panCDCA said:

IF it happens and say, Japan says it breaks their laws, then Sex Devil would have to find a way to ban the action from Japanese IPNs. or just not serve Japan and accept losing money there.Β 

Yeah, but there is also a very likely that even if 3dxchat will be illegal in for example Japan – it simply will not be noticed by local authorities. 3dxchat is small game, it also does not even represented on Steam or other game selling platforms.

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20 minutes ago, Xizl said:

Yeah, but there is also a very likely that even if 3dxchat will be illegal in for example Japan – it simply will not be noticed by local authorities. 3dxchat is small game, it also does not even represented on Steam or other game selling platforms.

Local authorities? lol There are government agencies that govern this type of thing.Β  Nothing to do with the cop shop on the corner dear.

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11 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

Local authorities? lol There are government agencies that govern this type of thing.Β  Nothing to do with the cop shop on the corner dear.

I expressed myself wrong, sorry. English is not my native language, can't call myself fluent either. I meant localΒ in relation to countries.

Anyway, the point is – I don't think that it's a big chance that small game like 3dxchat with no wide advertisement (if there is any advertisement at all currently), less than 10k players and no placement in stores like Steam will ever be noticed. It's possible of course, but I doubt that it's very likely. Anyway,Β if the legality would be a really big problem for SGD – they would not make this poll in discord.

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4 minutes ago, Xizl said:

I expressed myself wrong, sorry. English is not my native language, can't call myself fluent either. I meant localΒ in relation to countries.

I am in awe of all of you who even try!Β  You do great Xizl don't let anyone tell you differently. Even many of those who live their whole lives speaking only English do not speak it correctly.

For the rest?Β  I am against it obviously but not for legalities.Β  When I was discussing legalities with Ex it was in an attempt to provide possible reasons that 3DX had made the decision not to do it.Β  I am certainly no prude and if a guy wants to buy and the chick is selling it's none of my concern.Β  Both Ross and I were throwing around the possibilities and Ex refused to see that yes those may have come into play.Β  Closed eyes/ears and minds never did anyone any good.Β  A good discussion is not an argument and if she wishes to believe that I iggied her over a difference of opinion that is her choice.Β  I have seen what happens when you try to open her mind and I have not the time, the energy nor the inclination.

The reason I don't want it?Β  1. More drama.Β  2. More theft.Β  3. The cost of good DJ's increasing which will lessen the amount of open clubs to choose from. 4. Beggars. Β  And those are only the top 4.Β  All of which will change the game as we know it and I rather like it the way it is.Β  But those of us who do not want to see it turn to another SL or RLD will find another game home should this all come to be.Β  Time will tell.

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6 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

I am in awe of all of you who even try!Β  You do great Xizl don't let anyone tell you differently. Even many of those who live their whole lives speaking only English do not speak it correctly

Thank you for the kind wordsΒ :)

25 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

The reason I don't want it?Β  1. More drama.Β  2. More theft.Β  3. The cost of good DJ's increasing which will lessen the amount of open clubs to choose from. 4. Beggars. Β  And those are only the top 4.Β  All of which will change the game as we know it and I rather like it the way it is.Β  But those of us who do not want to see it turn to another SL or RLD will find another game home should this all come to be.Β  Time will tell.

I agree that these things can happen, not sure how pronounced the effects will be, but to some degree for sure. But in the same time there areΒ good sides too: it can help to organize events, games and competitions, it can motivate more builders if someone can pay them for a new beautiful, for example, club, that later can be open for public to hang out in, it can help new players withΒ Β payingΒ the wedding's costs – they will be able to do it together. It is difficult for me to say definitely whether ability to transfer xgoldΒ is a good or bad thing, it's sure will have both good and bad consequences for community and I think that it very much depends on personal views of everyone will it mostly enhance their player's experienceΒ or harm it.Β 

The way xgold transfer will affect the game is also very much depends on how the pose editor will be done. Will we all have our own pose's files, like .world ones and the user made poses will be displayed only for the ones who currently use them/have them? Then, even without official shops, it anyway will lead to creation of poses market (which can lead to even more drama because of scamming, if there is no official ways to trade stuff). Then yes, it really can drive the game pretty far into direction of SL or Achat (can't say anything about RLD, never tried it).Β 

Or will poses will be the same for everyone and when someone release the new pose, it will need to get approved by the devs/community to be added in the game and be available for all and there will be no such a thing like a personal poses? Then, even with xgold transfer 3dxchat will be far from other words with economy.

And yes, I understand that with xgold transfer we will anyway have some at least unofficial market for .world files, it's unavoidable if we will have the ability to transfer xgold. But I think that the location market will never have such a scale like poses or clothes markets can be, because a lot of people don't care really much about location, many players even now have basic apartment as their home, while there are tons of freely available shared .world files, a lot of which look great. But poses (or if at some point we will get editor for them – clothes too) – are different thing. Everyone (ok, almost everyoneΒ :D) wantΒ sexy/cute/beautiful poses and clothes.

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1 hour ago, Xizl said:

And yes, I understand that with xgold transfer we will anyway have some at least unofficial market for .world files, it's unavoidable if we will have the ability to transfer xgold. But I think that the location market will never have such a scale like poses or clothes markets can be, because a lot of people don't care really much about location, many players even now have basic apartment as their home, while there are tons of freely available shared .world files, a lot of which look great. But poses (or if at some point we will get editor for them – clothes too) – are different thing. Everyone (ok, almost everyoneΒ :D) wantΒ sexy/cute/beautiful poses and clothes.

People already able to sell their worlds officially with a link to 3dxchat. Poses should be shown for everyone in a 3dxchat way. It isn`t a second life. I hope so. I don`t know. There is no mews.

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I think you all over thinking.Β 

1:so what if a escort farm xgold lolΒ  what's the issue? It's not that you can spend that gold in many stuff.Β 

2:so what if a dj asks xgold to dj again lol again not much stuff to spend that xgold it only gives that feeling that they earned something for their service but in reality xgold gas 0 real value since you can spend it in beers lol

3 you think x escort charge a lot? Find anotherΒ 

4 you think dj charge a lot? Get another cheaper :)

People always choose and will always get to choose so where is the issue?Β 

I'm sorry but I can't see the fuzz u do about it escorts already charge gifts djs already usually get gifts from host as a friendly gesture.Β 

So again where is the issue why so much panic lol.Β 

Something else important you all say No to every escort here... Do you like escorts say no to stuff you want?Β 

Ppl ask for bdsm poses since u say hey escorts we don't want you get paid via xgold then escorts can say hey u know what we don't want you get bdsm poses.Β 

Get my point?Β 

My honest opinion is let those that want to use transfer xgold those that don't like it simply don't use this feature lol.Β 

Don't tell me about the drama cause everyday there is a drama n u don't care n suddenly u now care?Β 

Personally xgold transfer or not doesn't affect me and won't use it but others might wanna use it.Β 

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First time a DJ will try to charge for playing at my place, I will skip doing parties once and for all. Easy as this. Period.

It's still a community-thing for me. It's fun, sharing fun, having fun. Together. Support for support and kindness for kindness.

As soon as it will become kind of business-ish, I'll be putting it down.

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On 11/6/2019 at 5:23 PM, β˜™π”Όπ•©β§ said:

I pay for myself except Achat which was a gift for me. I will repeat, I was invited to Achat by my friend. I hope you know what the word "friend" means. We both still play second life. When he had trouble paying the rent of his place, I helped him with money completely unselfish

Someone still had to pay.Β  Does not matter who.Β  RL currency was given to a game provider in the name of 'payment".Β  Just because you needed to look up a words definition does not mean you need to doubt the vocabulary knowledge of someone else.Β  Consider it a learning moment.

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6 hours ago, Celestryal said:

Someone still had to pay.Β  Does not matter who.Β  RL currency was given to a game provider in the name of 'payment".Β  Just because you needed to look up a words definition does not mean you need to doubt the vocabulary knowledge of someone else.Β  Consider it a learning moment.

How is connected your quote of me with your words exactly? What are you talking about?Β Β The learning moment is started.

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