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X Gold transfer between 3dxchat users.  

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  1. 1. Would you like to have an xGold transfer feature?

    • YES
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    • NO
      28
    • I will explain my dual feelings below...
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I think most cannot get past the "Burst through the door and arrest everyone" Legality far enough to see the Legality of "It is against the law in my country the same as porn is so I am not going to allow the game to be played in my country" type of legality.

Other games are much more profitable and popular such as GTA. And SL in as much as they can exchange to real legal tender, is in a position where if they are banned in 50 countries it will not bankrupt them the same as it will not bankrupt GTA.Β  With allowing it to be profitable and exchanging to legal tender brings in tax laws of each country.Β  IMVU, for example, can be exchanged to legal tender once a designer reaches a designated profit threshold. At that time the player can exchange but notice is sent to the IRS and the player must then include this profit as income. So if you wish to compare game over gameΒ  keep in mind that there is a cost to do business. Some countries will allow if paid enough.Β  Some games, BUSINESSES, can afford to pay that price.Β  A good example of this is VAT's.Β  Someone in country A will pay one VAT amount for a product while someone in country B will pay 10 x's that amount for the same exact product based on agreements between countries.Β  All products are investigated and classified by each country. On the GAME Business side it would require more staff.Β  Staff that needs to be paid and provided health benefits.Β  Which would require passing that cost onto customers in raised subscriptions.

Again, no matter what your thoughts, or my thoughts, Gizmo AND COMPANY made a BUSINESS DECISION to not allow the exchange of coin.Β  I am sure they had very VALIDΒ  reasons for doing so.Β  All of their customers can stamp their feet in a temper tantrum all they want but it will not change that VALID BUSINESS reason.Β  All Ross and I were doing was making possible suggestions as to WHAT that reason could be.Β  We do not presume we know what that reason is.Β  We are just aware of the fact that much goes into that decision and that just because a customer wants something does not mean they get it.

So stamp your feet and beat your drum and raise your voices.Β  Have fun.

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What "fact" You and Ross was aware of? I tired of these illusional "facts". I wrote about it here and I gave a link to that old topic to let people knowΒ how it was going. I`ll repeat the link under this post.Β This business decision was "stamp your feet and beat your drum and raise your voices". Ironically and funny. There wasn`t so many voices, but it was really business decision and I can`t disagree.Β I mean customers was getting what they wanted. They wanted to stop this feature. They got it.Β Just to make you aware. Most of active forum users(it was less than 10 if I am not wrong and some of themΒ was my friends) was, how you said, "stamping feet, beating drums and raising their voices" against money transfer because they was afraid of hookers, they was afraid of how money can spoil relations, first comment was about to don`t make 3dx aΒ giant whorehouseΒ and how their gameplay could be broken. Gizmo made gifts after deliting the feature. 5 years later. There are some brothels, escorts, hookers who are looking for..."gifts". In game money was transformed to gifts. Nothing has changed. It was 3dxchat andΒ it is still 3dxchat. With different people,drama,fun,funny moments,etc. In-game money stil in game. By the fact here is zero real hookers. I am not angry or something else. But the far from the subject, the closer misunderstanding. Have a good one.

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6 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

Wait.Β  There was another topic for this and it was closed by Gizmo and you thought it a good idea to open another and get a different outcome?? hahahahahahaha omfg this game.

I didn`t notice the same topic with the same problem. I am not afraid if it will be closed. RobT tried to make me afraid in the past. Silly. I will openΒ new one.

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I find this whole thread and also the discussions on the legalities very interesting.
However, we should focus more on the more basic reason why this is such a fascinating problem.
3DXchat presents an even-levelled playground for every user when it comes to financial investments, if you do not value a few photoslots more or less important.
Let’s say you want to play an industry tycoon with private yacht, office, villa and private island. it comes with your basic package.
In other worlds you would have to pay a hefty price for this. Either with investing real money, or investing time earning money in-game.


Up to now all users are the same. The users basically help each other out acting out their fantasies.
If you introduce the possibility to change back in real world money or even earning β€œvirtual goods” you introduce a group of people whose primary goal is not helping each other in acting out fantasies, but getting profit from time spent in-game.Β 
This is a main difference between a β€œfantasy hooker” in 3DXchat and β€œvirtual hookers” in RLC or Achat, e.g. But this applies also to architects and such.
Also these β€œvirtual entrepreneurs” make life more stressful for β€œfantasy entrepreneurs” .

This shift in the population changes the vibe or rather the social environment significantly.
We do not need another test or experiment on this. Observations and experience in existing worlds like SL, RLC, Achat and others are testimony to that.

3DXchat has a β€œgift-system” which serves as a system to gather β€œbadges”, which show β€œsocial reward”; rather than actual capital which can be used to acquire something with - be it real world money or virtual goods.
This system could be refined to improve the immersion in acting out your fantasy (called role playing by others, BTW).

Today you can use the gift system in two ways from a role playing point of view:
1. send gift by β€œpostal service”, if the recipient gift is Β off-line or in another location.
2. give gift in a way only the presenter and receiver of the gift are aware of the act of presenting the gift.

Wouldn’t it be nice to have the option of an animation where the presenter of the gift gives a parcel to the recipient?
Or think of an engagement ring presented to the fiancee on the knees.
And all other visitors of the location could see this.
Or think of the hush-hush transaction between a punter and a hooker, or some lads throwing money to their favourite dancer; make a tip jar for the DJ, giving a tip to a waiter, concierge, host …

I would propose to have smaller increments for the β€œdollar bundle gift” 10, 20, 35, 50, 100, 300 xgold.
Also show the amount of β€œdollar bundles” earned as tip in the profile.Β 
Even better make another tab in the profile in addition to the tab for gifts. List the tips per category there: β€œdancing, escorting, waiter, DJing,..., unspecified category)

To avoid scaring off new users with long-time users with insane amounts of tip, only give information about the average tip per week and category in the last quarter or year.

Ceterum censeo, it would be nice to take out and pay for dinner and drinks of your romantic or erotic interest in 3DXchat.

tl;dr
3DXchat presents an even-levelled playground for every user when it comes to financial investments.
Up to now all users are the same. The users basically help each other out acting out their fantasies.
If you introduce the possibility to change back in real world money or even earning β€œvirtual goods”, thisΒ changes the vibe or rather the social environment significantly.
Observations and experience in other existing virtual worlds are testimony to that.
3DXchat has a β€œgift-system” which serves as a system to gather β€œbadges”, which show β€œsocial reward”; rather than actual capital.
This system could be refined to improve the immersion in acting out your fantasy.

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7 minutes ago, Bull said:

If you introduce the possibility to change back in real world money or even earning β€œvirtual goods”, thisΒ changes the vibe or rather the social environment significantly.
Observations and experience in other existing virtual worlds are testimony to that.
3DXchat has a β€œgift-system” which serves as a system to gather β€œbadges”, which show β€œsocial reward”; rather than actual capital.
This system could be refined to improve the immersion in acting out your fantasy.

Achat, SL and others are free-to-play. 3dxchat - only subscription. If peopleΒ get money transfer, everyoneΒ will get the money transfer. All users are the same. In-game money stays inside the game. All of you said about to pay to Dj, to payΒ dancers, can be realized by money transfer as well as by gifts. Just more choices. "Social reward"as badgesΒ is actual capital for someone today. Gold or GiftsΒ Is just an image. Words,acts,behavior are more important for social part in my opinion.Β 

It was interesting to read, thank you!Β 

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3 hours ago, β˜™π”Όπ•©β§ said:

Achat, SL and others are free-to-play. 3dxchat - only subscription. If peopleΒ get money transfer, everyoneΒ will get the money transfer. All users are the same. In-game money stays inside the game.Β 

A far as I remember for AChat I needed a paid subscription, for RLC I am sure.
In Achat you also could not cash out like in RLC, but had the option to acquire permanent virtual goods, which you can actually use (outfits, animations). Which makes this very different from "social badges", in my opinion of course.

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6 hours ago, β˜™π”Όπ•©β§ said:

What "fact" You and Ross was aware of? I tired of these illusional "facts"

What ARE you talking about?Β  Do you even know?Β  Through out this thread, and in your very own posts, you and others mention that Gizmo decided NOT to make gold exchangeable years ago.Β  Was this not a "FACT"?Β  Do you not think he had good business reason?

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5 hours ago, β˜™π”Όπ•©β§ said:

Achat, SL and others are free-to-play.

This is a lie.Β  I play Achat as well and you must purchase a subscription.

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5 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

What ARE you talking about?Β  Do you even know?Β  Through out this thread, and in your very own posts, you and others mention that Gizmo decided NOT to make gold exchangeable years ago.Β  Was this not a "FACT"?Β  Do you not think he had good business reason?

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6 hours ago, β˜™π”Όπ•©β§ said:

it was really business decision and I can`t disagree.

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7 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

This is a lie.Β  I play Achat as well and you must purchase a subscription.

No. By the fact your words are lie.Β  I am playing without any subscription. Any thoughts? Any facts? Anything else?

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11 minutes ago, β˜™π”Όπ•©β§ said:

No. By the fact your words are lie.Β  I am playing without any subscription. Any thoughts? Any facts? Anything else?

How is this possible?Β  Everyone I know who plays Achat plays to do so? Shall I do a topic and open a poll on who does and who does not pay to play Achat? Β  There are plenty here and on 3dx who play both.Β  I find this very interesting.

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12 minutes ago, Lady_Andrea said:

You can be a "Free" on AChat. You don't have certain privileges, but you can be free.

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Technically yes. But I was invited by my friend. He gave me some money. I got premium, clothes. He hasΒ all poses.Β So it is possible to play for free with premium and without premium. Without premuim you can`t play card game and you can not choose clothes/poses which you had with premium. You can play without spending any coin. It is possible. It is free-to-play model by the fact as well as SL.

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Just for the record:

Being a "freebee" in AChat actually means, you are free enough to find out what you're missing being a "Freebee." It's nothing more than tease to become a "fullbee". Not much more than that.

Oh yes, nearly forgot -Β  you can ask for ingame valuta as a "freebee" until you got enough to get a subscription. 3 days is about 200 of them iirc. You may either buy with real money or change ingame valuta for "fullbee" playtime.

You are right EX - with support from someone you can play as a freebee. But barely without.

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18 hours ago, β˜™π”Όπ•©β§ said:

Technically yes. But I was invited by my friend. He gave me some money. I got premium, clothes. He hasΒ all poses.Β So it is possible to play for free with premium and without premium.Β 

Oh I see.Β  So if I get someone to give me money on 3DX I can say I play here for free as well?Β  I am thinking we have two very different definitions of 'Free Premium"

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3 hours ago, SusanLouisa said:

Oh I see.Β  So if I get someone to give me money on 3DX I can say I play here for free as well?Β  I am thinking we have two very different definitions of 'Free Premium"

Achat is free-to-play officially. Sure, it means many offers of transactions in the game as prenium, clothes etc. FTP is always about it. But it still free-to-play and you can play for free. Got it?

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4 hours ago, β˜™π”Όπ•©β§ said:

Achat is free-to-play officially. Sure, it means many offers of transactions in the game as prenium, clothes etc. FTP is always about it. But it still free-to-play and you can play for free. Got it?

Oh yes, I got it all right.Β  It's not just the way I play.Β  I pay my own way to play.

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7 hours ago, SusanLouisa said:

Oh yes, I got it all right.Β  It's not just the way I play.Β  I pay my own way to play.

In 3dx everyone paying for themselves, mostly. Me too. But i was invited long time ago to achat, i didn`t ask to pay for me.Β In achat, today, i amΒ going one day per week to meet and chat very few friends who still playing. it feels achat about to die little by little. i may be wrong. i dont know.

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32 minutes ago, β˜™π”Όπ•©β§ said:

In 3dx everyone paying for themselves, mostly. Me too. But i was invited long time ago to achat, i didn`t ask to pay for me.Β In achat, today, i amΒ going one day per week to meet and chat very few friends who still playing. it feels achat about to die little by little. i may be wrong. i dont know.

I pay my way in both games.Β  I know many who go to Achat often for the poses. As long as the poses are not only massive in number but better in Achat it will survive. Which is something 3DX should make note of.

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6 minutes ago, SusanLouisa said:

I pay my way in both games.Β  I know many who go to Achat often for the poses. As long as the poses are not only massive in number but better in Achat it will survive. Which is something 3DX should make note of.

Did you see their pose editor?

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1 minute ago, SusanLouisa said:

No.Β  I don't create in Achat. Β 

It's the cherry on the cake forΒ achat in my opinion. I had a hope we will get the same feature.

To the subject.Β It seemsΒ many people got the point about laws and chances. Anyway, only devs can choose the way. I have a doubt they will return this feature.

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I absolutely loved the poses in Achat. Would be great to see something like this in 3dxchat but to be honest I have no hope for it. While in 3dxchat sex pose is basically 1-2 animation loops (more often one lol) in Achat it's a 10+ or 20+ loops with a smooth transition between them. I don't believe 3dxchat devs are ready to do such a huge amount ofΒ work with poses.

Need to admit tho that in almost all other aspects 3dxchat is better than Achat. Graphics in Achat is rubbish, social aspect is a complete rubbish too,Β no body customisation (aside of tattoos and piercings, I mean the model itself),Β facial customization isΒ very poor just because of the way it's done.Β If I remember will AchatΒ does not even have a group chats aside of group sex in rooms. It's really seems like solely aΒ sex game, where sex is great, but all other is trash lol.Β 

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