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"Take days to explore new stuff" lol, you sure you aren't talk about an actual AAA game? what is there to "EXPLORE" in 3dx patches?

Well, if they will introduce an actual poses or clothes editors - it really will be something to explore. 

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Well, if they will introduce an actual poses or clothes editors - it really will be something to explore.

 

One could argue effectively I think the Clothing Editor and ability to Deco (WE) are two of the biggest reasons why a a nearly 15 year old game like RLC still has thousands of users. User created content is what keeps RLC and Second Life going.

 

Let's not underestimate the power of an economy to draw professionals who create professional content either.

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THX the same could be said of a game like IMVU.  The poses are well regulated against hips moving, but there are plenty of them because of pose editor.  Individual poses are created and meshed together by the user in order to achieve adult type activities.  Clothing?  Hundreds of thousands of hair styles made by thousands of artistic creators can be found for sale in the shop.  The same for shoes, dresses, pants, jewelry, mens clothing, rooms, and furniture.  IMVU gets a cut of these sales....in fact the largest cut....but creators earn too.  At any given time, on different servers, close to 100,000 users will be on game.  The ability to create both meshes and textures keeps many in the game despite the inability to walk or have sex that resembles anything realistic.  The dances are amazing as they are created by the users and sold in the store. From waltzes to the Texas Two Step to the Jitterbug, the twist,...ugh the list is endless...all because users are allowed the ability to actually create, sell, or keep private for themselves.  I hesitate to endorse the ability fully as it will change the game we all enjoy.  It invites the hackers and the thieves and worse.  So yes, it must come with strict guidelines, security and a 3DX staff to look after and manage it.

 

Gizmo, perhaps if you only started the teasers a short time prior to release it would not be so frustrating to your customers.  We hear there is an update and we start to prepare for it. We remove the DLL.  We wait.  We discuss it.  We wait some more.  Also, I refuse to get Twitter just for the purpose of getting updates for a game I already pay to play.  What is this other program I see discussed in some threads where builders can obtain new water etc?  Why is that not available to all of those who pay to play and build?  Sorry but you are alienating a high percentage of your client base and I say that will all due respect.  Anything and everything should be released first in the Forum and then on other social media for those who chose not to be a part of the forum.

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What I grew to expect mostly from Gizmo was mostly disappointment.

We are told that things will be added like a boot from room feature and after more than 2 years since he said he will add it people are still coming in here asking for it.

There are many things like that, that almost everyone in the game want and have been continually asked for that just continue to get overlooked.

He has listened to people complaining about lost privacy because people were able to find out about alts they were using and responded by creating a platform where privacy is really now a big issue.

Stalkers, manipulators, cheaters, trouble makers and rumor spreaders now have a place where they can so easily create an alt to hide behind and cause what ever problems they want without fear of being discovered.

He has shown a list of new poses months ago which would seem are ready to go, why not add them, why wait for other things to be finished.

He appears to be working on several things at once, like it has become more of a hobby to him than a business that has customers, where he just does things he finds interesting, and when the interest runs out he switches to something else. 

Why show all these things when it will be so long before he introduces them to the game, if he even does as he has mentioned and shown things that have not been added.

 

My opinion is he is happy with the amount of money he is making from it and knows it is mainly through new players continually going in, even though most don't stay for long.

He sees that he can keep a viable return going without having to apply much effort or do much work and is happy to keep it going that way.

People who stay expect more to come, new things to be added to keep their interest which means more work , so he has decided to not worry about long term members.

New poses take little time to make, that has been proven in these forums.

Clothes too take very little time to make and a lot of things that have been constantly asked for involve very little work, like dice.

But he knows it takes a little while for people to work out that they aren't really getting their moneys worth and is able to keep enough people in the game without having to spend much time looking after it.

He won't even look after the forum properly, that takes work he seems not prepared to do, so he sought out other means where he could show things we can expect to be added, things that after being in the game for a while you get to know won't be seen for a long time or maybe never.

He doesn't use the forum because he doesn't want to have to look after it, that's just to much work, the others he now uses just involve the posts he wants everyone to see and believe.

 

That is my opinion, we don't get what we pay for, we don't get looked after, there are many problems in the game that do not get addressed and he has even made some of those problems worse with things he has done.

And that is why so many of us no longer play.

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What I grew to expect mostly from Gizmo was mostly disappointment.

We are told that things will be added like a boot from room feature and after more than 2 years since he said he will add it people are still coming in here asking for it.

There are many things like that, that almost everyone in the game want and have been continually asked for that just continue to get overlooked.

He has listened to people complaining about lost privacy because people were able to find out about alts they were using and responded by creating a platform where privacy is really now a big issue.

Stalkers, manipulators, cheaters, trouble makers and rumor spreaders now have a place where they can so easily create an alt to hide behind and cause what ever problems they want without fear of being discovered.

He has shown a list of new poses months ago which would seem are ready to go, why not add them, why wait for other things to be finished.

He appears to be working on several things at once, like it has become more of a hobby to him than a business that has customers, where he just does things he finds interesting, and when the interest runs out he switches to something else. 

Why show all these things when it will be so long before he introduces them to the game, if he even does as he has mentioned and shown things that have not been added.

 

My opinion is he is happy with the amount of money he is making from it and knows it is mainly through new players continually going in, even though most don't stay for long.

He sees that he can keep a viable return going without having to apply much effort or do much work and is happy to keep it going that way.

People who stay expect more to come, new things to be added to keep their interest which means more work , so he has decided to not worry about long term members.

New poses take little time to make, that has been proven in these forums.

Clothes too take very little time to make and a lot of things that have been constantly asked for involve very little work, like dice.

But he knows it takes a little while for people to work out that they aren't really getting their moneys worth and is able to keep enough people in the game without having to spend much time looking after it.

He won't even look after the forum properly, that takes work he seems not prepared to do, so he sought out other means where he could show things we can expect to be added, things that after being in the game for a while you get to know won't be seen for a long time or maybe never.

He doesn't use the forum because he doesn't want to have to look after it, that's just to much work, the others he now uses just involve the posts he wants everyone to see and believe.

 

That is my opinion, we don't get what we pay for, we don't get looked after, there are many problems in the game that do not get addressed and he has even made some of those problems worse with things he has done.

And that is why so many of us no longer play.

 

 

 

You took the concept! Gizmo should listen to us more, and not do his own thing.

The game is based on the players and not on the game itself.

It should first create something, ask for our preferences. But this has happened a few times, with bad results, sometimes non-existent. I don't think it's right to continue playing like this. It would take someone on the Gizmo staff to take responsibility for helping him. But unfortunately Gizmo does not want collaborators from what I have been told, and not having collaborators is a loss, because the game cannot be constantly updated.

I'm sorry Gizmo, this time I'm disappointed even before seeing the results of the update.

Look for collaborators instead of trying to improve the game for you without asking what we think of it. Maybe one day, when people get tired of waiting and take away the registration, you will understand the true value of being a "leader" of a game, and you will understand that you have failed for not asking users for help.

I think we would all be willing to give you a hand for free. The truth is that not even you know what we want, because we are so many. Let us or your collaborators help you.

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But he knows it takes a little while for people to work out that they aren't really getting their moneys worth and is able to keep enough people in the game without having to spend much time looking after it.

 

 

 

Do you have any clue what other games cost?  In my earlier post I mentioned IMVU so let's make a comparison.  IMVU is:  Free to join and you are provided an avi with your gender choice of M/F and the clothes it has on.  Like 3DX you are provided a small room.

 

If you wish to purchase anything that is classified "Adult" you must show proof of age and pay $25.00.  

If you wish to change your dress/pants/shoes etc. you must buy them.

I you wish to buy ANY pose of ANY type you must buy them.

I could list it all but just know if you want ANYTHING it must be purchased separately.

 

The radios that can, of course, be purchased, are the same as ours on 3dx in regards to station choices.

Each user has the ability to make their own music sets with music, yes, purchased from IMVU's music store.  Even though you have purchased it and own it you cannot play it in a room while alone.  There needs to be more than one avi in your room to play the music you paid for.  And to top it off you cannot play more than two songs by the same artist in the same mix. I am sure they are only being compliant with patent laws but the parameters are still annoying. 

 

IF you wish to create you must be a VIP member.  This is a monthly fee.

When you create something it first costs you to upload it to the IMVU 'creator'.  Then it must be approved as being acceptable to the terms of service. Once it is approved and put in store, if a sale takes place IMVU gets about 75% of the money from that sale.

 

Each game has it's cost and each game requires a profit.  Not all will consider it worth it.  It's what you choose to make of it that counts.  I do not log in for Gizmo (no offense Giz) but I do log in to see my vl Husband and my friends.  The joy and laughter I get is priceless and worth every dime I pay for the "game".  

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We know what we have and what we have not here :

 

- A fix monthly ( or 6 month or  yearly price) making the price of a month going from 2 x Mac Donald meal (if you pay each month)  to 1 x Mac Donald meal (if you pay one year)

- Very few update with no vision of when it will happen.

- A very small team developpement following their desire

 

A "family spirit" game with pro and cons compared with huge cash machine game having many many many more "Player / Gamer / Customer / Human"

You love it or not but this what you have and it will not change.

On top of that I would add : "yes a very small team with low ressources" but they have made a universe that you find nowhere else.

This last point is for sure one of the reason of the perfectly understandable complaint as we all have the feeling that it could be still much more better. So it creates some frustration.

But sorry to say that, this place is unique, you can blame the developpement team, how the evolution goes .... but this is a really incredible story than this place.

 

(been here for about 3 year FYI)

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Do you have any clue what other games cost?  In my earlier post I mentioned IMVU so let's make a comparison.  IMVU is:  Free to join and you are provided an avi with your gender choice of M/F and the clothes it has on.  Like 3DX you are provided a small room.

 

If you wish to purchase anything that is classified "Adult" you must show proof of age and pay $25.00.  

If you wish to change your dress/pants/shoes etc. you must buy them.

I you wish to buy ANY pose of ANY type you must buy them.

I could list it all but just know if you want ANYTHING it must be purchased separately.

 

The radios that can, of course, be purchased, are the same as ours on 3dx in regards to station choices.

Each user has the ability to make their own music sets with music, yes, purchased from IMVU's music store.  Even though you have purchased it and own it you cannot play it in a room while alone.  There needs to be more than one avi in your room to play the music you paid for.  And to top it off you cannot play more than two songs by the same artist in the same mix. I am sure they are only being compliant with patent laws but the parameters are still annoying. 

 

IF you wish to create you must be a VIP member.  This is a monthly fee.

When you create something it first costs you to upload it to the IMVU 'creator'.  Then it must be approved as being acceptable to the terms of service. Once it is approved and put in store, if a sale takes place IMVU gets about 75% of the money from that sale.

 

Each game has it's cost and each game requires a profit.  Not all will consider it worth it.  It's what you choose to make of it that counts.  I do not log in for Gizmo (no offense Giz) but I do log in to see my vl Husband and my friends.  The joy and laughter I get is priceless and worth every dime I pay for the "game".  

 

 

I understand your point of view, but if we expose this to Gizmo, it ends up that in addition to the "vip" we also have to pay $ 20.00 more to create anything. lol

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We know what we have and what we have not here :

 

- A fix monthly ( or 6 month or  yearly price) making the price of a month going from 2 x Mac Donald meal (if you pay each month)  to 1 x Mac Donald meal (if you pay one year)

- Very few update with no vision of when it will happen.

- A very small team developpement following their desire

 

A "family spirit" game with pro and cons compared with huge cash machine game having many many many more "Player / Gamer / Customer / Human"

You love it or not but this what you have and it will not change.

On top of that I would add : "yes a very small team with low ressources" but they have made a universe that you find nowhere else.

This last point is for sure one of the reason of the perfectly understandable complaint as we all have the feeling that it could be still much more better. So it creates some frustration.

But sorry to say that, this place is unique, you can blame the developpement team, how the evolution goes .... but this is a really incredible story than this place.

 

(been here for about 3 year FYI)

 

 

 

 

I agree on many things you say, but not on everything.

In other games we pay less for sure, the graphics are for each game different, but the one I want to focus on is another thing.

Other games there are no updates for these reasons:

:huh:

1 - Case Creator

2 - Creator of Sexual Positions or Positions for Photos

3 - Clothes Creator.

:huh:

We of these 3 qualities we have only one, beyond the graphics, but you will agree with me that the graphics, when you have fun, it is not important, I always use a very low graphics, because all these details of sparkling lights are not interesting.

What interests me to have a complete and competitive game with others is the creation of the case, the creation of pose and the creation of clothes. Only with the graphics we do not compete with anyone unfortunately, and I do not accept having to pay more than other games alone to see "great graphics".

I saw games where the graphics were bad, but at other times, it was superior to 3DX, and these games were listed in this post.

Gizmo should simply update with a pose editor and a clothes editor. Then the game would be complete, we would be the ones to create our poses and our clothes, beyond our homes

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 but you will agree with me that the graphics, when you have fun, it is not important

Well, I will not agree. Graphics is important. For me sexting in 3dxchat is about both - exciting text/RP and a sexy, aesthetically satisfying view. There is also a lot of people who do colds - so for them it's only about graphics. I can't get how it's enough for them - but anyway - they are paying customers too and there is a lot of them. And well, if I would want only the text - I would not pay for 3dx. Tho if I would want only the picture - I would just watch porn. For me sex in 3dx is both - text/communication and the picture. And I believe it's like this for most of people here. 

 

I do not accept having to pay more than other games alone to see "great graphics".

But we actually pay a lot less then we would need to pay in most other games of same genre to get enough of poses/clothes/other things we may like and need for enjoyable experience. 

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I understand your point of view, but if we expose this to Gizmo, it ends up that in addition to the "vip" we also have to pay $ 20.00 more to create anything. lol

 

That is what happens with IMVU.  Pay for VIP AND submission of product.  Each product.  And I am quite sure Giz is aware of what the competition is doing.

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Well, I will not agree. Graphics is important. For me sexting in 3dxchat is about both - exciting text/RP and a sexy, aesthetically satisfying view. There is also a lot of people who do colds - so for them it's only about graphics. I can't get how it's enough for them - but anyway - they are paying customers too and there is a lot of them. And well, if I would want only the text - I would not pay for 3dx. Tho if I would want only the picture - I would just watch porn. For me sex in 3dx is both - text/communication and the picture. And I believe it's like this for most of people here. 

 

But we actually pay a lot less then we would need to pay in most other games of same genre to get enough of poses/clothes/other things we may like and need for enjoyable experience. 

 

 

If you lower the graphic, you will not notice anything different, if not the shadows and the textures of the sea, lights and little else, I have tried the high quality and the low quality, to me it is sincerely indifferent, but you will agree with me that we are paying only for "spectacular graphics"? The poses we could create ourselves, like the clothes, and the game would be complete, if later they want to think about the graphic is fine, but it is not possible to have to first think of great graphics and then of the most essential things.
 

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That is what happens with IMVU.  Pay for VIP AND submission of product.  Each product.

 

 

I know, I was on imvu and I saw the difference, but we go on like this and we end up paying $ 24 a month + all the extra costs, and I'm not saying it's not right, because we should pay for the things we use, but I can't find correct having to pay for things without movito (for example the chat world) or beers, or the photo slots that arrived at some point cost as much as if it were a salary to buy one, and therefore the difference between here and others games, is that the other games have free access and you have basic clothes, the VIPs come in here and you have all the clothes they have, so we would like to say, pay a high sum, spend more money on clothes or buy you positions, I think a little too high for the price. There will surely be players who will exhibit their work for free, because luckily 3dxchat has many users who are in solidarity with each other and with strangers.

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That depends on how much stuff you need :P

I know people that spent thousands dollars on such a games. 

I spending $20 per month here and around ... 0-5$ per month in sl. I creating clothes myself, but sometimes I buying something interesting. In sl a lot of stuff for free with normal quality. I found 3dx much more expensive. In other games you have a choice to pay or not. 3dxchat is a pay to play game.

ps: pay to win sometimes (weddings lol)

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I spending $20 per month here and around ... 0-5$ per month in sl. I creating clothes myself, but sometimes I buying something interesting. In sl a lot of stuff for free with normal quality. I found 3dx much more expensive. In other games you have a choice to pay or not. 3dxchat is a pay to play game.

ps: pay to win sometimes (weddings lol)

Well I guess it's really depends a lot on how much stuff you need to enjoy the game and how much you able/want to work for it. I would prefer 3dx to stay without market tho probably would continue to play even with market, as long as all basic content is available for me by paying the subscription. 

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Yes, let the main content be free, and the one that is created by the user.

will be paid (perhaps for Xgold), then, having created some thing, your friends will also be able to buy it. And let the incentive for the created user will be for example the payment of 50% xGold from sales!

This will add interest to the game because there will be an economic component!

 

This will add new people. There will be autonomous developers who want to prove themselves and show everyone what they can do with their created own hands. And simple players will jump for joy from the sight of new things for xGold !!!

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Well I guess it's really depends a lot on how much stuff you need to enjoy the game and how much you able/want to work for it. I would prefer 3dx to stay without market tho probably would continue to play even with market, as long as all basic content is available for me by paying the subscription. 

Will be a mess if 3dxchat becomes SL. Something may be included, but not whole SL. Just my opinion.

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