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Nowhere did I say that anyone wasn't entitled to their opinion. And nowhere did I say that the moderators didn't have the right to moderate as they saw fit - if they're in charge of a particular board than so be it. And yes, I'm quite aware that pedophilia is illegal. Oddly enough that's common knowledge.

 

But I stand by my statements.

 

I've seen great boards ruined by those who deem it their "moral authority" to police everyone's fantasies and desires. There are plenty of people online with rape fantasies, for example, that would never actually rape anyone in a million years. Same goes for fantasies like abduction, blackmail, student/teacher, boss/secretary etc. They'll all illegal or unethical in real life, but to judge a fantasy in that manner is to completely miss the point. It's a fantasy people, and just because it isn't your cup of tea why should you you be lecturing to others about what they want to roleplay?

 

If someone posts actual illegal material of course that shouldn't just be taken down, but also reported to the authorities. Duh. But from the tone of the posts it seems like someone just posted something which you people got your panties in a twist over but that wasn't actually anything illegal. If its against your rules then delete it and move on, but why should anyone care what you think?

 

Perhaps rather than just spending 100 posts virtue signaling to each other you should actually just mind your own business and stop being so preachy.

 

And, by the way, I love how rather than fashioning arguments you simply lecture some more about how people are supposed to respond to your posts (ie. agree with them like sheep). Real debate doesn't work that way, but I doubt most of you have had to face a real rational argument in your lives.

I think the more you speak the more foolish you look. Stand in your supposed truth and try to condescend to others. Fine, you are wrong and as Rob pointed out this is personal.

 

"But from the tone of the posts it seems like someone just posted something which you people got your panties in a twist over but that wasn't actually anything illegal. If its against your rules then delete it and move on, but why should anyone care what you think?"

 

Hmm seems like you have no idea what you are talking about. Child pornography us never okay in any shape or form. It is an abomination. People have fantasies but that is going too far. I will report it every time I see it.

 

Your last part about rational argument is hilarious as you have proved to be incapable.

 

 

RobT and MikeyZA I am just going to cosign, nailed it and dropped the mic.

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Nowhere did I say that anyone wasn't entitled to their opinion. And nowhere did I say that the moderators didn't have the right to moderate as they saw fit - if they're in charge of a particular board than so be it. And yes, I'm quite aware that pedophilia is illegal. Oddly enough that's common knowledge.

 

But I stand by my statements.

 

I've seen great boards ruined by those who deem it their "moral authority" to police everyone's fantasies and desires. There are plenty of people online with rape fantasies, for example, that would never actually rape anyone in a million years. Same goes for fantasies like abduction, blackmail, student/teacher, boss/secretary etc. They'll all illegal or unethical in real life, but to judge a fantasy in that manner is to completely miss the point. It's a fantasy people, and just because it isn't your cup of tea why should you you be lecturing to others about what they want to roleplay?

 

If someone posts actual illegal material of course that shouldn't just be taken down, but also reported to the authorities. Duh. But from the tone of the posts it seems like someone just posted something which you people got your panties in a twist over but that wasn't actually anything illegal. If its against your rules then delete it and move on, but why should anyone care what you think?

 

Perhaps rather than just spending 100 posts virtue signaling to each other you should actually just mind your own business and stop being so preachy.

 

And, by the way, I love how rather than fashioning arguments you simply lecture some more about how people are supposed to respond to your posts (ie. agree with them like sheep). Real debate doesn't work that way, but I doubt most of you have had to face a real rational argument in your lives. It's not about high morality of others, the problem is simple

 

I am not just one of the sheep and agreeing with others.  I have my own opinion much like others who have posted here, they just agree with someone else because they made a statement and the words could be exactly what they thought on their own but no need to repeat the same thing over and over.

 

I loved Debate while in school, it was fun as face to face rational argument is a wonderful thing.  Just like seeing the person get all flustered because they know they aren't going to win the debate so they turn to making remarks because they don't have anything better to say to the argument.   It's like watching the politicians here in the US, gives a good laugh.

 

There is nothing wrong with a good, well written story but when it comes to some things that should not be discussed and that is where people ask to have respect.  Hell even the best written stories that are someone's fantasy can turn into someone else harsh reality.  With that, there are fantasies that happen in real but parties to it and only go as far as the other is willing to go, there is nothing illegal about that.  Most people that do the teacher/student use a college professor as the teacher because that is acceptable by age.

 

I have not seen anyone do a lecture about others Roleplay other than when it was of a serious nature and then it was reported.  If you think that is how people are, then I don't think this site would be for you, just an adult giving her point of view.  You took something if you're new here and made it into something very unnecessary and then want to complain about people replying to it.  Guess what, we all have to put on our big guy/girl panties and suck it up.  Don't like it, not my problem but just like any good debate you have to expect someone to give a response even if it's one you don't like.

 

Regarding morals, well the things I see at my job, I have to shake my head and keep going, why because it's simply that, their choice but I'm not going to force my thoughts down their throat or make comments just because I can.  Even on here, I may not agree with things but I'm not going to force people to agree with me nor would I try to tell them how to think or feel.  We are individuals, all with our own opinions even if we don't agree with others.  There have been many topics that people have had their panties in a twist but guess what, if it was offensive enough, it's removed by the Administrators and Moderators, that's why there are rules, don't like it, don't join it's that simple.

 

You see the forum is just that, a place to voice our opinion and that is what is being done as that is the point of a forum - to discuss things, write, be creative but all within the rules that are set.

 

You seem to be making the problem about high morality than something simple.  Care to clarify what the simple problem is?  We're on the edge of our seats with our faces glued to the screen while eating popcorn and having soda waiting for the response.

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Nobody is saying that there should not be discussion on points of argument or opinion, what they are trying to say is argue validly and in a proper fashion instead of flailing about in the dark trying to make a point that has no merit when you missed the reasoning for the post by such a long distance that NASA is observing that point as if it's a new object for Kepler to explore and planning to send a satellite to.

 

Vile, horrid, disgusting things have no place on a forum and should be launched into the sun. I am against censorship completely but I am not against censoring that which has no place in human society (rape, slavery, abuse, racism, molestation, child pornography, etc.) and I still stand with Shanti 200% on her comments.

 

Just my 2c as usual. And Rob I'm disappointed you were so nice :P

 

I think most are missing the point, This appears to have very little to do with Shanti's post and more to do with Shanti herself.

 

Everyone is allowed to participate in whatever  fetish's they desire in game in the privacy of rooms they have created but the game and the forums are two separate things. Freedom of speech doesnt give you the right to trample over anothers right to not be subjected to offensive things involving children, etc. I am not even sure how anyone can defend that and let me very clear on this, Just fantasy or not, if you rp or have fantasies of anything involving little kids, you are a sick fuck who needs Psychiatric help and fast.

 

...but if there is one thing i can say with certainty is that she  is  concise, states facts and doesn't blindly attack people. Not to mention the best mod we had here and this is coming from someone who had a few posts deleted or edited by her!

 

I have not seen anyone do a lecture about others Roleplay other than when it was of a serious nature and then it was reported.  If you think that is how people are, then I don't think this site would be for you, just an adult giving her point of view.  You took something if you're new here and made it into something very unnecessary and then want to complain about people replying to it.  Guess what, we all have to put on our big guy/girl panties and suck it up.  Don't like it, not my problem but just like any good debate you have to expect someone to give a response even if it's one you don't like.

 

Regarding morals, well the things I see at my job, I have to shake my head and keep going, why because it's simply that, their choice but I'm not going to force my thoughts down their throat or make comments just because I can.  Even on here, I may not agree with things but I'm not going to force people to agree with me nor would I try to tell them how to think or feel.  We are individuals, all with our own opinions even if we don't agree with others.  There have been many topics that people have had their panties in a twist but guess what, if it was offensive enough, it's removed by the Administrators and Moderators, that's why there are rules, don't like it, don't join it's that simple.

 

You see the forum is just that, a place to voice our opinion and that is what is being done as that is the point of a forum - to discuss things, write, be creative but all within the rules that are set.

 

You seem to be making the problem about high morality than something simple.  Care to clarify what the simple problem is?  We're on the edge of our seats with our faces glued to the screen while eating popcorn and having soda waiting for the response.

 

 

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Fine, you are wrong and as Rob pointed out this is personal.

 

RobT and MikeyZA I am just going to cosign, nailed it and dropped the mic.

 

me atlast drops the mic now also finally...just like camden too, once she, rob, mikey, ellieWinters n simply just all..just fukn nailed it^^

 

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I'm hearing a lot of insults and feelings. I'm hearing you posture (drop the mic, seriously? What are you, 12?) and how I don't fit into your group. But all you're doing is posting straw man arguments, attributing indefensible positions to me and then attacking them rather than actually addressing what I'm saying. And I love how you're attacking me for questioning an opinion because I'm somehow trying to deny another person their freedom of speech, even though I've never stated at any point that you don't have a right to say what you wish.

 

In the end I just don't think any of you get it at all - perhaps because you're so emotional you can't think straight, or perhaps because none of you actually ever learned how to address the matter in a rational way, as opposed to by rhetoric. But here's my final statement...

 

Each and every one of you has the right to think, say, write, imagine and fantasize about anything you like. And even when you disgust me, even when I find your positions vile and insulting, I will always be the first to stand up and defend you within the boundaries of just and reasoned laws.

 

In return, I reserve the right to think, say, write, imagine and fantasize about anything I like. And even when I disgust you, even when you find my positions vile and insulting, I can only hope that you will be be the first to stand up and defend me within the boundaries of just and reasoned laws.

 

Though looking at your self-righteous groupthink and blatant virtue signaling, I'm not very hopeful of the latter.

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In the end I just don't think any of you get it at all - perhaps because you're so emotional you can't think straight, or perhaps because none of you actually ever learned how to address the matter in a rational way, as opposed to by rhetoric... But here's my final statement...

 

Each and every one of you has the right to think, say, write, imagine and fantasize about anything you like. And even when you disgust me, even when I find your positions vile and insulting, I will always be the first to stand up and defend you within the boundaries of just and reasoned laws.

 

In return, I reserve the right to think, say, write, imagine and fantasize about anything I like. And even when I disgust you, even when you find my positions vile and insulting, I can only hope that you will be be the first to stand up and defend me within the boundaries of just and reasoned laws.

 

As for your final bit there --  I've been there.  I'll stand up for what I believe is right.  And if I believe what you said is right, sure, but the laws of the forum are just, and reasonable....  You should agree.  After all, you had to, to join, did you not?

 

As for this being your 'final statement,' I can only think of one word to retort...

 

FINALLY.

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I'm hearing a lot of insults and feelings. I'm hearing you posture (drop the mic, seriously? What are you, 12?) and how I don't fit into your group. But all you're doing is posting straw man arguments, attributing indefensible positions to me and then attacking them rather than actually addressing what I'm saying. And I love how you're attacking me for questioning an opinion because I'm somehow trying to deny another person their freedom of speech, even though I've never stated at any point that you don't have a right to say what you wish.

 

In the end I just don't think any of you get it at all - perhaps because you're so emotional you can't think straight, or perhaps because none of you actually ever learned how to address the matter in a rational way, as opposed to by rhetoric. But here's my final statement...

 

Each and every one of you has the right to think, say, write, imagine and fantasize about anything you like. And even when you disgust me, even when I find your positions vile and insulting, I will always be the first to stand up and defend you within the boundaries of just and reasoned laws.

 

In return, I reserve the right to think, say, write, imagine and fantasize about anything I like. And even when I disgust you, even when you find my positions vile and insulting, I can only hope that you will be be the first to stand up and defend me within the boundaries of just and reasoned laws.

 

Though looking at your self-righteous groupthink and blatant virtue signaling, I'm not very hopeful of the latter.

lol no I am well over the age of 12. They both drove the point home and there you are with yet another insult which is how you started then accuse others of not being capable of being rational. I have news for you, it is a joke that adults can use to drive a visual. I do not subscribe to group think. I do not know Rob or Mikey very well. I had a longer response but figured why bother. I stand by what I said and while you say no one had addressed you properly you have yet to properly address the point of the post for what it is. You accuse that posters lack the emotional intelligence to debate. When it has been clearly expressed the type of post this was created for. You seem to not believe that, it is your right. However, I will never stand up to defend something so disgusting. I have defended plenty here in the name of censorship. I addressed directly what you were saying all while offering my opinion on the way you said it. Your issue was censorship which is not what the post was about. I am not the only who has told you this but because the majority disagrees with you then we must all be sheeple blindly following some agenda. I will digress as it is pointless and I do not believe that you seek rational debate. You seek to try to condescend to and insult which really says more about who you are. I done wasting my time on you.

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I'm hearing a lot of insults and feelings. I'm hearing you posture (drop the mic, seriously? What are you, 12?) and how I don't fit into your group. But all you're doing is posting straw man arguments, attributing indefensible positions to me and then attacking them rather than actually addressing what I'm saying. And I love how you're attacking me for questioning an opinion because I'm somehow trying to deny another person their freedom of speech, even though I've never stated at any point that you don't have a right to say what you wish.

 

In the end I just don't think any of you get it at all - perhaps because you're so emotional you can't think straight, or perhaps because none of you actually ever learned how to address the matter in a rational way, as opposed to by rhetoric. But here's my final statement...

 

Each and every one of you has the right to think, say, write, imagine and fantasize about anything you like. And even when you disgust me, even when I find your positions vile and insulting, I will always be the first to stand up and defend you within the boundaries of just and reasoned laws.

 

In return, I reserve the right to think, say, write, imagine and fantasize about anything I like. And even when I disgust you, even when you find my positions vile and insulting, I can only hope that you will be be the first to stand up and defend me within the boundaries of just and reasoned laws.

 

Though looking at your self-righteous groupthink and blatant virtue signaling, I'm not very hopeful of the latter.

No feelings or insults from me but you seem to be slinging them around.  All I simply did was give my opinion which as we are all entitled to.  Instead of you giving yours, you contradict yourself multiple times about defending peoples expressions yet turn around and tell them to stop preaching, that they're sheep and so on.  I mean really, if you like a good debate, then I hate to be the one to break it to you, you're failing miserably at it with every post.

 

You would have had more ground to stand on if and I mean if you actually stood by the very statement of supporting ones opinion, fantasy and so on but you haven't.  I think you forgot the boundaries of just and reasoned laws with your posts.

 

I don't know all the people in here nor do they know me or others here but guess what you have just lumped us together as one group.  I think there will be a reality check in your near future.

 

First off, there are rules here and in life that should be followed, you break them you pay the consequences for it. With giving our opinion it is just that, like it or not but no one has to explain themselves as to why they gave it either.

 

I got it more than you think, but you didn't even answer my question.  One thing you'll always hear is "Try reading what you write before you hand it in." but in this case it's posting.

 

P.S. In my position, I've heard far worse, dealt with far worse so having a laugh at what you think should be a debate but it's more of slinging insults on your end to everyone else which I refer to my earlier post that explains about how some debates are.

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And yes, I'm quite aware that pedophilia is illegal. Oddly enough that's common knowledge.

 

But I stand by my statements.

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But from the tone of the posts it seems like someone just posted something which you people got your panties in a twist over but that wasn't actually anything illegal. If its against your rules then delete it and move on, but why should anyone care what you think?

 

And even when you disgust me, even when I find your positions vile and insulting, I will always be the first to stand up and defend you within the boundaries of just and reasoned laws.

 

Basically everything has already been said but I'm gonna go out on on a limb and assume you do not think or read before you post ? Clearly not after either. But all good, it's your right to do so.

 

If I understand you correctly :

 

1/ You agree that child pornography is illegal.

2/ You stand by anyone "within the boundaries of just and reasoned laws"

 

Yet remotely suggesting to think before posting child pornography or any other disgusting behavior (be it racial attacks, sexual orientation attacks, religious attacks..) is unreasonable ? Does that really sound reasonable to you ?

 

You have been a member here for a week, and attack members on a post made two years ago, at a time where moderation was lacking, and where countless amount of people got upset over said "child pornography" posted on this forum. And yes it has been removed after a massive wave of reports, yet stayed up for over a day, which is already unacceptable.

 

You also have the nerve to claim we only got our panties in a knot over something that probably wasn't illegal at all ? Are you freaking delusional or are you stating that child pornography can be acceptable at a certain level 'within boundaries of just and reasoned laws" ?

 

I'm dumbfounded by your logic.

 

 

 

Real debate doesn't work that way, but I doubt most of you have had to face a real rational argument in your lives.

 

Clearly you have no idea what a real debate is, or your definition of real debate is only based on the last "debate" you had when u were at school in your very early days.

You haven't been able to post any comment on this thread, without throwing a dig at someone with insults. Yet condemning those same people for returning the favor ?

Someone mentionned it previously and it's very true, using insults does nothing but nullify any positive or useful ressource you may have, and is an easy solution when you deem yourself to be unable to have a convincing argument.

 

Respect is a matter of give and take. You failed at giving it considerably. Which is also why my post might come accross as aggressive and I won't apologize for it, because you haven't shown respect to anyone in here, therefore don't deserve it.

 

Might wanna consider changing your name to Salty Bunny, cause there's nothing sugary about the way you communicate with others.

 

 

 

I'll end on this :

 

There was no censorship in the initial topic, merely food for thought, as many stated before, to avoid a situation that you have not been part of, yet have decided to judge hundreds of people on, with the added insults.

 

Perhaps rather than just spending 100 posts virtue signaling to each other you should actually just mind your own business and stop being so preachy.

 

You said you've made your final statement on this topic, but I'll remind you that being preachy about others being preachy doesn't make you any less preachy (That's the 12yr old in me speaking, because it's the language you seem to understand).

 

So congratulations Sugar Bunny, after your 4 posts here, you have 96 posts worth left of not minding your own business and preach on different threads. And next time, before you blow something out of proportion, think twice before you get your panties in a knot. ;)

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Nowhere did I say that anyone wasn't entitled to their opinion. And nowhere did I say that the moderators didn't have the right to moderate as they saw fit - if they're in charge of a particular board than so be it. And yes, I'm quite aware that pedophilia is illegal. Oddly enough that's common knowledge.

 

But I stand by my statements.

 

I've seen great boards ruined by those who deem it their "moral authority" to police everyone's fantasies and desires. There are plenty of people online with rape fantasies, for example, that would never actually rape anyone in a million years. Same goes for fantasies like abduction, blackmail, student/teacher, boss/secretary etc. They'll all illegal or unethical in real life, but to judge a fantasy in that manner is to completely miss the point. It's a fantasy people, and just because it isn't your cup of tea why should you you be lecturing to others about what they want to roleplay?

 

If someone posts actual illegal material of course that shouldn't just be taken down, but also reported to the authorities. Duh. But from the tone of the posts it seems like someone just posted something which you people got your panties in a twist over but that wasn't actually anything illegal. If its against your rules then delete it and move on, but why should anyone care what you think?

 

Perhaps rather than just spending 100 posts virtue signaling to each other you should actually just mind your own business and stop being so preachy.

 

And, by the way, I love how rather than fashioning arguments you simply lecture some more about how people are supposed to respond to your posts (ie. agree with them like sheep). Real debate doesn't work that way, but I doubt most of you have had to face a real rational argument in your lives.

 

Discussion of acts involving rape are against the ToS, so what more is there to discuss?

 

Oh and I can promise you 1 thing for certain... anyone that does have a rape fantasy would have a MUCH different opinion if they had actually experienced it for real. 

Also, I too will immediately report anything like this being advertised or broadcast in game.

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Oh and I can promise you 1 thing for certain... anyone that does have a rape fantasy would have a MUCH different opinion if they had actually experienced it for real. 

 

I can absolutely agree with you on that topic.  I myself had a friend who experienced just that, and I'm certain she could attest to the difference between fantasy and reality.  The difference is - in fantasy, it is most certainly NOT real.  It's controlled, it has the false pretenses of trying to inspire the same feelings.  It will NEVER be the same.  Being involved in that situation in reality is never the same as imagination and fantasy.

 

And, therein lies my point... fantasy is just that, fantasy.  From your eyes, you can see it as 'okay' or 'I want this....'

But let's look at it from another perspective... in their eyes... it's just exactly as it is.  Wrong.  You can't force this feelings upon anyone.

 

I don't try to force my fantasies on anyone else, and I don't feel anyone should be privy to them.

 

While we are all 'equal' in terms of being human, we all have to cohere to the concept of the society we include ourselves a part of.  I joined this community; that is, 3DX; nearly 3 years ago... I've had no issues in the community because I adhere to what is morally accepted, and so far - I've had no problems therein.  Sure the occasional person that doesn't have the fortitude to bring their issues with me to face, but that's not the community's issue, now is it?

 

The bottom line is - if you seek to include yourself in a community, you MUST be respectful to the BASE LAWS and RULES set by that community.  That -is- after all, what a community is, is it not?  A group of people living in the same place or having a particular characteristic in common?  In this case... we may all be deviants, but at least we can agree on what is logical and accepted.

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Ops Laina was quiker than me. I was just still typing to answer after Jessie's post.

 


Yes, and that on top of "that" jessie, cause that ofcourse, is one of the most valided points at all! As you already pointed out 2-3 times in other topics, at other times that included things like kind of "stuff" of that, more or less; as my Sis told me^^  But consindering, that "both sides" meanwhile i guess, have already said, wrote nearly almost everything in letter, text, mind and ofcourse...in shellforms!


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So if anybody now, that maybe also like YOU, yes you, you that are reading this here maybe right now, tomorrow, or in 3 weeks, months or years later: just please 'think twice before writing and postn' after jessies, lainas, mine or simply everywhere and in the lol, correct forum area, whatever!! At least sometimes HA, HA! And how about now  just letting us all trurning the page XY generally and go back to a other topic, thread, post, beer, pose, motorbike round, doggywalk and mostly and especially, HA, HA, whatelse, to some more music, that also or precisly substantiates my thoughts on this now whilse typn too and so, how about some simply chilln and we enjoying our all weekend now...down to earth, its still turning under us, right now, you know and nearly ever was...for now^^

 

 

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text, pics and music^^

shortly lifts up the mic again, only says: '"word up" bro upthere' and this time, simply just doesnt drop

"the mic" as before again; and gently places it in its expensive, woodn looking, mahagoni TWBYRA Box...
...in the top shelves again...there, were it belongs...maybe, maybe not! wtf do ik where?!^^

 



 

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Guest Maisie

I don't even know what's going on here.....*waves hi anyway*

 

I think I need to change the signature =/

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I have not seen what Shanti is talking about, but it sounds quite wrong, please stop those sort of posts.

 

On a lighter note, I cannot stand posters who have a signature (or whatever they are using) that are three or four massive photos or video clips. You scroll down a couple of screens and then they will type something like..."Ok".

 

Really annoying, but as this thread shows, not the worse in the scheme of things.

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Frei nach dem Motto DER ERSTE EINDRUCK IST IMMER DER RICHTIGE stehe ich zu dem was ich hier schreibe und denke nicht mehrfach drüber nach. Ist ja hier kein Anstandschat. :ph34r: 


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Perfect topic for my post - ive been on the game 3 days now and during a nice encounter with a lady i was chatting in world instead of local pm and had no idea... everyone was getting an earful of naughtiness...LOL

 

LOL that happen even the best of us :)

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 Freedom of Speach do not grant one the license to say or write what ever they please, one must and should consider what they are saying and how it will be received.

 There are many sexual preferences, some I agree with and some I do not, yet I can not tell others what they should observe or not observe.

 Saying this, there are those  that have defiant life styles that I do not agree with, but I will fight for their right to observe their desires and also fight for them to not impose their desires on others.

 Once we start to abridge one God given right, we weaken the others  and risk loosing them all...Please read what has been written, form  your own opinion, but please I beg you, do not try to impose your form of morality on others.

 Yes, some of us are "sick", I am very sure there are those that think the same of you and I...Kisses

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