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VioletSumire

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Ok so I'll start this off by saying this topic should be in the "Development & Suggestions" thread, unfortunately I can not create a new post and this post is so varied in many areas that I don't think it is efficient to post in so many forums, so I'll throw it here.  I believe that while the developers may see it clearer in the proper forum,  I can't clearly state all my opinions.  So for now until this gets closed it will be here unless moved.

 

Let me state I LOVE 3DX and how detailed everything is.  It is accessible and fun.  Everyone here is an adult and I don't have to search very long to find someone to play with.  Unfortunately I will not be renewing my subscription and thus I feel the developers need a reason why they are losing money.  I work for a restaurant as a manager and the best feedback is customer feedback.  Customers know what they want better then anyone on the staff so I tend to listen to them over all others.  That's where I come in now, as a customer of such a fine product.  I'll list my positives and negatives and then we'll let the public have a wack at it because they are all customers too and should have a voice to hate or love my words.

 

First let's talk about what I love with the game.  I stated above a few loves, but I'd like to go into detail about them a bit more.  Room customization is pretty good.  There are various objects to choose from and many many options that make each room unique.  The fact that the game is flexible enough to allow modding (even if unintended and unwelcome by the development team) shows it's potential.  I've seen some crazy rooms, and some elegant rooms, players need this freedom.  The game is well optimized and runs very clean from what I can tell.  I'm not the biggest computer nerd out there, but it hardly drops frames, even in a densely packed room.  The graphics inside of player homes are wonderful and can not be understated at how much detail you guys went into when it comes to just a simple couch or lamp.  The lighting is great as well.  I can easily see this game spawning porn movies out in the web (there are probably a bunch that I just overlooked).  Sex positions are well crafted and the characters hardly clip outside of each other making each position feel real (the speed slider was awesome as well).  Character customization is varied and pretty vast.  I could honestly say I spent at least 10 minutes putting together my character for the first time, it was very refreshing.  Finally, once in the game everything is available to the player.  I know that sounds a bit cheep, but you could have easily hid stuff behind pay walls and just made the game free.  I thank you devs for making my two on and off months here a joy with smart design choices and bringing a kind (and kinky) community together.

 

Now for the list you all hate and dread, the negatives.  I won't begin to comprehend your finances or complicated stuff like development time.  Things happen at a slow pace here, You have artists and animators, programmers and customer support staff.  There's a lot on your plate and I won't pretend to not see that.  What I will focus on is a key word here priorities.  Hate me or love me, I'm going to commit a cardinal forum sin and talk about your competitors here.  Secondlife.  I'm sure many here have heard of it or have experienced it at one point or another.  I can go to one bed (granted a bed paid with real money instead of one here which is free) and get 20-40 different animations.  My surprise when logging in here is I got less then half of that.  Half... for a game that's been out for four years now.  How can you have a sex based chat game and have users get to the point of "Seen it, done it, got the Tee"?  Animation is difficult, but it isn't like you don't have inspiration.  There is an entire book about sex positions written eons ago.  Heck you could even go to secondlife yourself and steal their positions.  You even have it easier because all characters are set to the same height.  There's little excuse to how lacking in content you've had in four years in terms of poses.  Every area is lacking and it's the main reason I can't see myself coming back.  Let's look at other areas though.  Demos.  Nearly every porn site, MMO, game, anything over the internet, has a demo.  Even if it's a dollar for a day.  Limit one demo per account/credit card and let people try before they commit.  I was extremely tempted to not even buy a month worth of access because of that fact.  Not having a demo and forcing someone to pay $20 upfront for something they may not like is a pretty bad choice.  Now enough of that. Next on the chopping block is consistent updates.  I looked back at your update logs and things where consistent till the beginning of this year.  I can only guess that's when you, as a team, decided to upgrade and overhaul the entire system.  A big undertaking.  The problem is I messed around with the beta.  Besides the obvious bugs that comes with a beta, there was no real improvements besides graphics.  If the survival of second life as anything to say, people want things to do, not things to look at.  Whether that is more poses, more clothes, different types of drinks besides beer.  More customizing options for their rooms.  They want things to do.  While the beta looks amazing, it won't keep me staying here.

 

That's about it for my rantish negatives.  Let me say this though... Developers, you guys are doing an amazing job.  Yes, despite the rant and very harsh criticism, it shows how much I want to see this game continue to grow and evolve.  I currently can't bring myself to renew my subscription though.  

 

 

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your post hit the Point , i totally agree

 

"ppl want things to do , not to look at , wethere it is more poses, more cloths and other social things to do ." this explains much, if we are in a virtuell game you cant fantasize and imagine all by only chatting, you Need stuff, to Play with.

 

This is the point the game is missing , now we have a sort of minimalism , which i cant understand. 

 

so it can happen surely , one Comes to game and after a very short time it get  boring , yes boring cos very Long nothing new stuff is updated and no real game improvement , only better grafic.

 

So it would be better to Change Management of game and even implement a ingame shop , why not. So who dont want can Play on minimalism , who want can Play more advanced.

 

so why not be courageous and dare to suprise your Clients with new ideas and new ways , so works Business , standby is always Stagnation

 

greetings from a Long term Player

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You nailed it quite well, Violet, the lack of poses is one of the biggest issues inside 3DX. Even though I try to overcome this with a lot of text and fantasy, having highly descriptive roleplays, this is just a surrogate for having food for the eyes as well as expected from a sex game. 

 

I'm here for four and a half months now, still enjoying being here due to the wonderful friends I've found here, what I just noticed is, that I become more and more picky regarding the choice, with whom I play, as without someone playing highly descriptive, the swapping of the few poses is getting boring quite soon.

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and do Server maintainances , regularily , we loose Connections all time more and more , and amount of bugs grow in game all day.

 

plus stop the hacking of Locations , ppl can have a user beach , is the game core not safe ?

 

greetings from a Long term player

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your post hit the Point , i totally agree

 

 

So it would be better to Change Management of game and even implement a ingame shop , why not. So who dont want can Play on minimalism , who want can Play more advanced.

 

 

It Shouldn't have to be necessary to put in a in game store to manage to put in content, i mean come on subscription fee is in range with many big or semi big mmorpg titles. If i can't cover expenses for development either community of subscribers extremely low or it's the effort that is lacking not money.

 

and do Server maintainances , regularily , we loose Connections all time more and more , and amount of bugs grow in game all day.

 

plus stop the hacking of Locations , ppl can have a user beach , is the game core not safe ?

 

greetings from a Long term player

 

 

Well from what i can understand it's not a hack as much as a tool which use been prohibited officially, yet somehow there not consequences or action taken against using it. So in many community members eyes it's unofficial use is allowed and supported by developers, as such the use of it's becoming more and more extensive.

 

The fact developers even put pictures up with screenshots of rooms which feature use of this tool, supported in i think many notion that they approved of it's use i think unofficial(IF that is the case i am not sure why they don't official release the options to everyone, without having to "actively search for it").

 

Lag bad connections i can't say but i would guess it down to either beta or used of said tool causing some instability to server, i am not a tech so i can't say for sure cause here.

 

But i don't think game core in anyway is compromised.

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It Shouldn't have to be necessary to put in a in game store to manage to put in content, i mean come on subscription fee is in range with many big or semi big mmorpg titles. If i can't cover expenses for development either community of subscribers extremely low or it's the effort that is lacking not money.

Actually this is priciest game in terms of subscription if you don't count mmos released specifically in japanese region. No other MMO on market exist that cost 24 euro / month, WoW, FF14, SWTOR, RIFT, L2, Tera, Aion, (most are now f2p) used or are 12 euro month. Half price of this unless you buy year subscription which brings this down significantly but question is ... is that worth for most people? I would say no.

 

I am planning on writing bit unrelated topic that will include all my thoughts about this game in past 2,5 years I was here. So I might go to bit more detail there. but short version is... updates aren't going to happen fast ever. no one cares.

Sorry for sounding mean but.. that's the harsh truth.

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Nice post Voilet.

This game relies on it's higher detail graphics to pull new players into the game, it always has done as they offer very little above that compared to other games.

I think one of the reasons they went to Unity 5 is because they realise that, and also that Unity 4 is getting very little support for developers now.

The problem with their strategy is that it does not encourage people to stay long term as people quickly get bored with what the game has to offer.

If you read through these forums or have been in the game a while you know that the main thing that has people stay is the friends they have made.

It gets frustrating, you are bored with the game itself but keep going in to see the people who's company you enjoy.

To me the game is now just a glorified chat as the game itself has very little to offer.

 

I have good reason to believe the team only consists of Gizmo and Lisa.

I have been around people that have been involved in different things where they were in constant contact with the devs, often seeing messages that were sent back and forward.

Some of the things I have seen just made me feel like we are all being badly disrespected.

For example, when what I feel was one of the biggest updates that brought so many people back to the game for a while came in, the update with the 4 new dances.

I saw a message where it was said they had employed 3 new devs that allowed them to create that update, which I think is why people believe there are 5 devs.

Later it was found out that those 4 dances were from another game, which meant it involved very little work to add them.

I am not saying that they ripped those dances off from that game as I know they purchased them from TruBones, which is a web service well known for ripping off animations and selling them.

The point there is they said they had employed 3 new people to create them when it is pretty obvious they did not.

 

I have now been involved in quite a bit of development using Unity 5 and am actually using it in my work.

It is not a game we have, we use it for presentation where we supply our clients with a means to show products in 3D to their customers.

Their customers can pan around the products they sell with an additional service that we offer which has added a new form of income for both our customers and ourselves.

Sorry I can't say exactly what we are doing as we are still building our market and want to keep things as secret as possible.

The point is to do that we had to get well into how Unity works and what it offers.

 

Having seen what is involved in creating things in Unity 5, having been in the game and seen what has been added for close to 2 years and having seen some of the messages from the devs has me pretty much convinced there are only the 2 devs.

Even then I do not feel there has been enough done to say they are working hard on building the game further, more so I would say it is a part time thing for them.

What has been added in the last 2 years simply just does not justify any where near 80 hours a week work, which would be 2 people working 40 hours each.

 

Now having said all that, that is what they offer and each person that plays the game needs to make up their own mind on if it is enough or not for them to continue to play.

If the devs choose to only do as much work as they are it is their choice, and to be honest who can blame them.

They have a very good income as it is and that income will keep going without having to commit themselves to spending huge amounts of time on keeping things going.

Sure they could build things a lot faster and get a lot more return from that, but it is not as easy as you think to keep yourself motivated to do that.

When the big money is already there finding motivation gets harder, sitting at a computer doing what you have been doing for so long gets really tedious and hard to do.

The higher detailed graphics ensures new players will continue to enter the game and that will keep going for some time.

I don't think keeping people for long terms in the game is their priority, not for the moment anyway.

For the moment I think they are enjoying the returns they have generated and only doing what they have to do.

 

Unfortunately that is what they offer, the game is good but does not do enough to keep people interested for long term.

From my experience and from what has been said so many times in this forum what has people stay for long terms is the friendships made.

Most get frustrated with the lack of things to do and eventually leave.

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For example, when what I feel was one of the biggest updates that brought so many people back to the game for a while came in, the update with the 4 new dances.

I saw a message where it was said they had employed 3 new devs that allowed them to create that update, which I think is why people believe there are 5 devs.

Later it was found out that those 4 dances were from another game, which meant it involved very little work to add them.

What!? Is that mean Frenchtouch did nothing more than just added some modification on new dances taken from another game? Who and what is that message you saw saying this?

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What!? Is that mean Frenchtouch did nothing more than just added some modification on new dances taken from another game? Who and what is that message you saw saying this?

 

No that was before FrenchTouch, dance 5 to 8 I think they are.

I am not going to say who's message it was, but if you knew me Briana you would know it to be true.

Plus there are others that know about it, the game the dances were in and how they got them.

There has been posts about it before, the only thing new I have added is that they said they employed 3 new devs to do them.

I have no idea how Frenchtouch does hers, if she makes them herself or puts them together from dances she buys, I have no idea and am not talking about her stuff.

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I can totally agree with what Violet and Twiggy said.

 

So I'm myself are totally unasure if I will prolong my sub. But I also think that Twiggy is right, when she points out, that people will enter this game and create revenue for the devs anyway. You just have to watch the behaviour of all those who complained badly about the not coming update. They are all silent now and maybe prolonged or even returned to the game - because we have a beta now. Not an update - just a beta. What means that we had the last update 4 month ago...

 

But anyway - there is one point I really don't get in the strategy of the devs: The seem to focus on high end graphics and are for sure outstanding in this genre. But when it comes to poses or things to do they seem to rely on the fantasy of the players!?

 

And just to point this out and to forecome all the dissing this post will probably receive: I just write this because I like this game pretty much and see its potential.

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Think that is why many try to voice their opinion because they care enough to do so, plus wish to see this product succeed and grow. The danger of disregarding things like this from customers is, eventually there will come other alternatives which will offer more, or slightly less but at a way cheaper price which will eventually make the product decline.

 

Just to show what i mean, think what second life would been today if they didn't start getting to comfortable with themselves. They could sat really high on that virtual market all over. They could even had customers from other virtual adult products if they, didn't get to greedy and to lazy about thinking forward.

If it was not for community generated content a lot their graphics would still looked like something in the 90s. But now if i go around asking if anyone know what second life is most i meet don't have a clue.

 

Eventually that is way it will go with 3Dxchat if they start getting to lazy and comfortable, they will start getting decline in customers and customers will stop talking about it as a "big" thing to friends. Eventually most except for a few loyal fans will stop to care and look to other places for another product to spend their time with.

 

Which i think is all in all saddest thing because 3Dxchat really i feel has a lot potential to push the adult gaming market forward, if they cared enough about their product to try think a bit more forward. I do honestly mean care about it when i say that, because it's not really the vibe i get from the developers that they do, i meet indy developers on forums seen them on streams where you clearly feel they burn for their product. Not just as a mean to turn a profit but as a game idea they really wish to sell to potential fans.

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well said Violet .

 

As said in former forum topic , due the lack of updates on clothes , poses , etc ... this game isn't worth the €24/month anymore since long time .

They indeed updated frequently in 2015 , why i took the christmas special and got me an one year sub .

Unfortunately i got bored out with 3dx and now i am even stuck and sitting out this game til feb. 2017 just to see what will come .

So painfull to see even , one of the devs needed to punch us on the nose , telling we didn't believe in the dev-team when they came up with the 2.0 version .

what wil it bring us ? this 2.0 ? better graphics as i understanded ... but will they do updates on poses ? will they create more clothes ? or do they think they did their jobs with just going into 2.0 ?

 

greets Jowie

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It is a little sad there so much competition out there...

 

I know it's an illusion but if all developers from those different platforms should work together to build one stunning game, we, as simple users, would be so very happy !

 

Now every game has something interesting to offer, but none of them does the whole thing...

- I played in Red Light Center for 3 years and their clothing feature is unbeatable, the number of differenct worlds and places can only make you dream. But it is outdated now.

- I tried Curio (Red Light's Center successor) for 1 years and although it is still as buggy as hell, the endless possibilities to modify your avatar are sublime although not easy to get right. The fact that each sex position can have different strokes (slight variations of the same position) is a very interesting feature that I would love to have in 3dx.

- As for 3dx: I've never seen more stunning graphics and the sex positions are by far the best there is at this moment. But I hope they will add some more features soon, as I agree that it tends to get boring after a few months.

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good writtn violetsumire and "the harsh" truth is also and no offend to any1...but in this forum were just turning in circles again, again and again sometimes and lol, i cant even find my own post to circle quote myself in this forumjungle @ 3dx...again giggles

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however, u guyz are mostly all right with what ya sayn and talking about circles or circling, huiii, not to fast please, otherwise one gets sick^^ and it becomes rather tiring after a point dear devs n ppl and just lookn at it now again, here or elsewhere in this forum, nearly evrything turns, rotates, spins, loops, pulsates, resonates, and repeats inhere in circles! no matter on what and where! seen it for weeks, months and years now and so ill just save my time on this and ill let u guyz and the devs of course...keep on "spinning it"!...thinks: anyway, its her letter, ill keep up my yearly sub and where the heck are my pills again!? *looks* ah, there^^

 

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Hahaha Tika,

Well I guess these forums will always be the same.

Things keep repeating in here because new people see the same things people before them have seen and post the same things that have been posted before.

Funny thing is, is how the forum seems to reflect the game.

If things don't change much in the game you can't expect much to change in the forum.

If there is nothing new in the game there will be noting new in the forum.

If the game keeps presenting the same complaints, the same complaints will keep presenting themselves in the forum.

The forum getting boring with the same old stuff being presented time and time again pretty much reflects on the game to.

 

I have said before the game is what you make it, it can be enjoyable.

But I think there comes a point for everyone where doing the same thing time after time in the game gets to be a little to much effort to keep it enjoyable.

While the game offers very little change, I guess the forums will offer very little change.

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good writtn violetsumire and "the harsh" truth is also and no offend to any1...but in this forum were just turning in circles again, again and again sometimes and lol, i cant even find my own post to circle quote myself in this forumjungle @ 3dx...again giggles

 

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