Paulinus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 it would be very helpful if the transform window would also open and work with a grouped multiobject selected. All values based on the values of the object which is clicked on to select the group. Rotating (for instance a fence with many poles) is very difficult to find the correct angle (eg. 90 degrees) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana Prince Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 You can rotate a grouped object (like a fence). But transformation (stretching etc.) won't work with a grouped obejct, because some of the single objects of the group might have to be stretched in a direction that they are not supposed to be stretched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandorra Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 There is a way. Mark the group Select transformation tool Press shift Move the white quadrat which appears on clicking and rezise all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatKatW Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Paulinus said: Rotating (for instance a fence with many poles) is very difficult to find the correct angle (eg. 90 degrees) Select "Center" instead of "Pivot" Activate the Snap Angle (2nd magnet on the right side) Select the grouped object and rotate it. It will "jump" on 15 degree steps, just count 6 to make 90 deg. You can adjust step angle (Snap Angle) on the Settings (default 15 deg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulinus Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 well, sure you have to select "center", but thats not the point, and rotating a GROUP does NOT snap in a selected angle ... and even if this would work: if the original angle is lets say 27,3375 degrees in the z axis, how would you set your snap? The world is not just having smooth and clean angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeiLing Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 59 minutes ago, CatKatW said: Select "Center" instead of "Pivot" Activate the Snap Angle (2nd magnet on the right side) Select the grouped object and rotate it. It will "jump" on 15 degree steps, just count 6 to make 90 deg. You can adjust step angle (Snap Angle) on the Settings (default 15 deg) You can change with the value you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulinus Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 Sure you can rotate and resize a group - these are basics and I am quite aware how to do this , but: please everybody READ THE TOPIC before answering: 1) SNAP ANGLE is NOT working when rotating a GROUP ... go and try, if you don't believe. 2) there is a infinitiv amount of possible angles. You cannot even rotate a single object from start angle 27.37569 deg. exactly by 90 deg. to 117.37569 deg. with the SNAP-function ... go and try it. 3) try to strech any group object exactly by the factor 2.7839 All these functions would be possible over the transform window by entering the exact values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana Prince Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Paulinus said: 1) SNAP ANGLE is NOT working when rotating a GROUP ... go and try, if you don't believe. Rotating a group via snap angle is definitely possible, I use it all the time. Here I rotated the group 90°: Edited July 26, 2022 by Diana Prince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana Prince Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Paulinus said: 2) there is a infinitiv amount of possible angles. You cannot even rotate a single object from start angle 27.37569 deg. exactly by 90 deg. to 117.37569 deg. with the SNAP-function ... go and try it. 3) try to strech any group object exactly by the factor 2.7839 All these functions would be possible over the transform window by entering the exact values. Unfortunately I can't put up more pics in here. Somehow I can only upload 1,4 MB to this thread. Do you have Discord, @Paulinus?I can show you there that 2) is possible. I turned a block to 27.37569 degree, and then turned it 90 degree, and it worked. About 3): there is no "factor" (means "multiplied by") in the editor. You can just enter the absolute value. Or do you mean "stretch it with the snap step of 2.7839 meters". This is possible with a group. Of course overy object of the group has to face the same direction, otherwise the objects would be enlarged in different directions. I can show you pictures of this in Discord or maybe here in a pm. Edited July 26, 2022 by Diana Prince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulinus Posted July 26, 2022 Author Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) well, I have repeatingly tried snap angle for goups and its definitely NOT working for me. And I tried it with many different values. and for the the stretch factor: you can look at the size of one base object of the group in the transform window and if you know how big this base object should be after transformation its would be easy to enter that values in the transform window ... the system would calculate that "factor" then and use it an any object and any dimension value (x,y,z) of the group. after all this is just a proposal to make it more easy working with "non smooth" values. EDIT: OK, YOU ARE RIGHT ! I DID NOT REALIZE UP TO NOW THAT I HAVE TO HOLD THE <ctrl> KEY WHEN USING SNAP. SHAME ON ME Thanks anyway to open my eyes. Edited July 26, 2022 by Paulinus tried again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana Prince Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 ahhh, that's the "problem"! You can also click on the magnet icon to activate the snap function. One magnet for rotation, one for transformation. I'll try the "factor" later. Now I know how you meant it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana Prince Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 @PaulinusThe enlargement of a whole group by a "factor" won't work. We only can use "snap steps", that means a fixed length. For example: your group consists of 2 blocks, 1x1x1 and 2x2x2 in size. With a factor of 2.7839, after transformation they would need to be 2.7839 x 2.7839 x 2.7839 and 5.5678 x 5.5678. Unfortunately, this is not the way the editor works. It doesn't multipy, but adds the snap step value. So after transformation, the size of the two blocks is 3.7839 x 3.7839 x 3.7839 and 7.5678 x 7.5678 x 7.5678 Paulinus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulinus Posted July 26, 2022 Author Share Posted July 26, 2022 I understand ... thanks for eloboration that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana Prince Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 my pleasure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockster Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 When I use snap angle even on a group, I always just drag the most horizontal circular line along until it moves the minimum amount then keep doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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