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Like much in the game, the possibilities of using gold are very lacking. It would be worthwhile to expand the use ... but how and for what?

Possibilities of using gold and other options

Buy in hand something:
- buy more type of booze (+ cocktail, whiskey, champagne, martini - different type of glasses - after drinking it all, get drunk walking and iddle)

- Buy roses and gift boxes
- Be able to buy or pass on what we bought to someone else

Other usable options
- Buy a mobile (permanent) in the caracter editor, it appears in our hand if use "phone" pose, the pose can only be used when buying a mobile
(customization for mobiles ??)
- Buy a "car" in the wold editor (for personal customization cars ??)
- Hire a escort (open personal window -> click on "hire escort" -> type in the cost -> the escort can accept or refuse) (escort status and rate system???  1-5 stars)
- gold transfer without limits

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13 hours ago, Angelqueen said:

Like much in the game, the possibilities of using gold are very lacking. It would be worthwhile to expand the use ... but how and for what?

Possibilities of using gold and other options

Buy in hand something:
- buy more type of booze (+ cocktail, whiskey, champagne, martini - different type of glasses - after drinking it all, get drunk walking and iddle)

- Buy roses and gift boxes
- Be able to buy or pass on what we bought to someone else


Other usable options
- Buy a mobile (permanent) in the caracter editor, it appears in our hand if use "phone" pose, the pose can only be used when buying a mobile
(customization for mobiles ??)
- Buy a "car" in the wold editor (for personal customization cars ??)
- Hire a escort (open personal window -> click on "hire escort" -> type in the cost -> the escort can accept or refuse) (escort status and rate system???  1-5 stars)
- gold transfer without limits

I really like the Buy in hand something, especially if one could pass it on to another.  A round of drinks for friends for example, a beer for the DJ, a rose for a dancer. I am not afraid to spend my gold:

 A: Gifting is a nice gesture for time well spent with someone that is fun to be with.

B: Makes me feel good.

Not to mention needing to buy more gold, which means more money for 3DX, which means more investment into the game, which means more fun in game and needing to gift more.  Repeat!

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3 hours ago, Stronos said:

Trust me, having players being able to transfer/send gold between them will be the end of this game as it was on other adult games. I agree with the rest tho.

As long as the players can't use that xgolds to buy anything "useful", we'll still be okay. but there's one thing I'm afraid of is if there's really a player market in future and we achieved this option to send golds to other player, there will be a lot of scammers asking ppl to buy them golds..... or even worse. Unfortunately, prostitution/escort it's currently a part or an element of game, and it's hard to tell a people it's a escort or a scammer......

But on the other hand, thing about something positively: if scammers can't use those money to buy anything "really useful" such like game times, it will not hurt the whole game. Just there's one thing have to be notice: the official have to make the xgolds "non redeemable" for the real money, or it could only bought by real money, and can't redeem back. this will limit the gold/pass seller's further action, which maybe will avoid the game's market became secondlife marketplace no.2 : D

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6 hours ago, Lunarelf said:

As long as the players can't use that xgolds to buy anything "useful", we'll still be okay. but there's one thing I'm afraid of is if there's really a player market in future and we achieved this option to send golds to other player, there will be a lot of scammers asking ppl to buy them golds..... or even worse. Unfortunately, prostitution/escort it's currently a part or an element of game, and it's hard to tell a people it's a escort or a scammer......

But on the other hand, thing about something positively: if scammers can't use those money to buy anything "really useful" such like game times, it will not hurt the whole game. Just there's one thing have to be notice: the official have to make the xgolds "non redeemable" for the real money, or it could only bought by real money, and can't redeem back. this will limit the gold/pass seller's further action, which maybe will avoid the game's market became secondlife marketplace no.2 : D

I think if the gold transfer and escort system were introduced, the rating system would also have to be introduced. A scale of 1 to 10 would ensure the scammers with a consistently low rating after a while no longer gains trust from others.

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23 hours ago, Angelqueen said:

Buy in hand something:
- buy more type of booze (+ cocktail, whiskey, champagne, martini - different type of glasses - after drinking it all, get drunk walking and iddle)

- Buy roses and gift boxes
- Be able to buy or pass on what we bought to someone else

Sounds good! That definitely could improve the roleplay scene and immersion without doing any damage to the game atmosphere. 

23 hours ago, Angelqueen said:

- Buy a mobile (permanent) in the caracter editor, it appears in our hand if use "phone" pose, the pose can only be used when buying a mobile (customization for mobiles ??)
- Buy a "car" in the wold editor (for personal customization cars ??)

Having in a mobile in a "phone" pose sure would be good. Same about having more cars, currently we have mostly sport cars which kinda limits their use to expensive looking houses, would be nice to have more selection. What I don't get is why should it be anyhow attached to xgold? It's good and even better to get this as a regular update for everyone, not as a way to spend xgold.

And about customization for cars and mobiles – don't get me wrong, it's not a bad thing – but why investing devs resources in it? We already can change color of the cars, maybe would be nice if when/if smartphone would be added - we could change its color as well. But that's enough, if devs going to invest their time in making more customization for game (and I believe they should!) – it's better be more customization for our clothes and avis! Piercings and more jewellery, choosing texture of our clothes, choosing colors of our nipples. It's a sex and social game, not a racing sim. 

23 hours ago, Angelqueen said:

gold transfer without limits

Basically it's not really a bad thing. I mean some people are afraid that adding gold transfer could make the game into same online brothel like some other game of the same genre, where half of the girls selling themselves. But no, it's not going to happen here. Why? Because there is not much stuff we can buy with xgold. But if, IF there would be more and more ways to spend xgold and get some exclusive stuff by using it – yeah, transferring xgold would make the game a worse place. But you know what is good thing? It's not going to happen. Gizmo already said "But all new content (poses, clothes, new features, and so on) has always been and remains at no additional cost." Here is a link on his post: 

 

So yeah. Why not. Gold transfer would be nice. Bring it on. 

23 hours ago, Angelqueen said:

Hire a escort (open personal window -> click on "hire escort" -> type in the cost -> the escort can accept or refuse) (escort status and rate system???  1-5 stars)

Meh. Developing a whole new system of hiring and rating just for what reason? To increase the amount of prostitution in game? 

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Oh, and something to add. 

Some people tend to think that it's bad that we don't have much ways to spend xgold.

Nope. it's not really bad. It's good. It means that everything we have in game are available for everyone, everything is fair, we just pay the subscription and get all the stuff.

What is bad – is when the game, especially the game you already paying for, becomes a micro transactions hell. And I am happy that Gizmo doesn't want to make 3dxchat into one. 

Though of course I am not against some harmless ways to spend xgold, the ways that actually improve the game experience for everyone, not only for people who are ready to invest more money in the game or work as an escorts. Like buying a cocktail for yourself and your partner in the bar, flowers and stuff. it was a really nice suggestion.

It also would be nice to have more gifts. I mean it's basically does not require devs to spend time making them, they can just buy a nice image pack. And if it's really good it may make people spend more, in a harmless for the game atmosphere way. 

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12 hours ago, Stronos said:

Trust me, having players being able to transfer/send gold between them will be the end of this game as it was on other adult games. I agree with the rest tho.

 

I would disagree. 

It's what keeps the ancient worlds like SL and RLC between 2x and 10x what 3DX has currently.

 The costs are higher and still they are bigger communities.

Many people have fantasies also of running a buisness without the fear of losing everything they own. Plus, there was a time when many verified women working as escorts earned in excess of $30,000 US a year. Some put themselves through college with what they made.

I was never super active clothing designer or layout salesman but I never paid the $30 a month subscription in 7 years and made around $3000  a year extra. Not bad really 

One of the most fun things imo was we would have "buy ins" by players to a game and the winner would win the pot. It was rather exciting at times.

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21 minutes ago, THX said:

It's what keeps the ancient worlds like SL and RLC between 2x and 10x what 3DX has currently.

You see what you want to see. Or maybe telling us that because you want us to see it this way. I mean yes, I am not trying to argue that SL and RLC are more popular than 3dxchat. I am arguing with reasons of popularity. I don't think that game market is a reason of that popularity.

RLC and SL has bigger teams. Bigger budgets. They are pioneers in this genre. They had much wider representation in media compared to 3dxchat. SL for sure at least. 

But you want us to believe that they are more popular not because they gain their player base when there was even less competition than now and people tend to stay for long in such places, getting attached to their social connections. Not because they have bigger developer teams, SL for sure. Not because they are more acknowledgeable and almost every person have heard about SL. No, it's because of in-game market. is it? I don't think so.

I never heard about 3dxchat before one person in one discord server shared a link saying that they having a free access, testing a new server (it was in September 2018) and then I tried this game and enjoyed it a lot. And before that I never even heard about 3dxchat. I never specially looked for an adult online games, yes, but still - I heard about RLC and SL. Fuck, probably almost everyone who are in internet long enough and have at least a slight interest in adult games, not exactly online ones, has heard about SL. Of course it has much more people playing!

33 minutes ago, THX said:

Many people have fantasies also of running a buisness without the fear of losing everything they own.

Well many people have fantasies of living in communist utopia too. Why they should lose one in 3dxchat? 

30 minutes ago, THX said:

Plus, there was a time when many verified women working as escorts earned in excess of $30,000 US a year. Some put themselves through college with what they made.

And how is it a good thing? I mean not for the girl who earned money for college, but for the game? Nah thanks, I already saw it in Achat - where sex and money going so tightly together that it feels like every second virtual sex going for some amount of in-game currency. If I would want playing in online brothel I would not come to 3dxchat, there already other games that manage this function much better. 

What 3dxchat really needs are trial accounts to at least have a look at the game before buying, some advertisement and more social interactions aside of sex. With all of those we would have muuuch more people playing here. 

 

 

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From my own experiance I have seen what happens, if value can be exchanged between players. An enormous ammount of player will rise gift-whores to support their main char. Their "gift me!" from this other world still rings in my ears and was one of the reasons which made me leave.

Seriously, are you really so desperate, that you need to earn some bucks in a sex game? Poor you!

Why not enjoy a place for a while where money does not make the world go round? I enjoy the way it is right now, to be honest. Builds are given away for free. DJs, dancers and bands perform for free. Whatever is done, is mainly done for the fun and to make it more enjoyable for the community. What's so urgent about changing that and transforming this place the same money ruled bullshit we face each and every day around ourselfs anyway?

As far as I am concerned I feel quite happy to be able to have a break here and I sincerley hope this may never change.

 

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This is what I like with 3DXC so much: it's almost a "flat-rate". You know exactly what you will have to pay monthly for it, no hidden costs.
And if you need 20.000 xGold for a marriage or change of name, you can buy them. But this will happen not THAT often I guess.

Games like Second Life can get really expensive.

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12 minutes ago, Angelqueen said:

Gold transfer = i mean can give unlimited gold each other... not exchange gold to real money.......

And what? Whether you may or my not be able to transfer this into real money does not change the fact, that it would be an option to gain a value. And whenever there's an option to gain a value, it raises greed. Greed is one of the seven mortal sins and not without reason. Whatever you wish for, keep in mind you could get it.

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On the topic of ‘earning’ XGold. 
Isn’t that already possible technically?

There is a ‘Buy XGold for User’ function no?

Are there escorts in the game now that use that function?


 

The other thing is that I would be against any form of in game Shop to buy Cosmetic items for gold. 
One of the main appeals in 3DX is that in essence we’re all equal. 
Everyone is able to ‘live’ and look as they want (within the limited options)

If you hide some clothing and options behind a paywall, you invite elitism and discord methinks. 
“Oh you can’t afford this dress? Peasant!”

But then again, that’s just my opinion. 

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1 hour ago, Xizi said:

You see what you want to see. Or maybe telling us that because you want us to see it this way. I mean yes, I am not trying to argue that SL and RLC are more popular than 3dxchat. I am arguing with reasons of popularity. I don't think that game market is a reason of that popularity.

RLC and SL has bigger teams. Bigger budgets. They are pioneers in this genre. They had much wider representation in media compared to 3dxchat. SL for sure at least. 

But you want us to believe that they are more popular not because they gain their player base when there was even less competition than now and people tend to stay for long in such places, getting attached to their social connections. Not because they have bigger developer teams, SL for sure. Not because they are more acknowledgeable and almost every person have heard about SL. No, it's because of in-game market. is it? I don't think so.

I never heard about 3dxchat before one person in one discord server shared a link saying that they having a free access, testing a new server (it was in September 2018) and then I tried this game and enjoyed it a lot. And before that I never even heard about 3dxchat. I never specially looked for an adult online games, yes, but still - I heard about RLC and SL. Fuck, probably almost everyone who are in internet long enough and have at least a slight interest in adult games, not exactly online ones, has heard about SL. Of course it has much more people playing!

Well many people have fantasies of living in communist utopia too. Why they should lose one in 3dxchat? 

And how is it a good thing? I mean not for the girl who earned money for college, but for the game? Nah thanks, I already saw it in Achat - where sex and money going so tightly together that it feels like every second virtual sex going for some amount of in-game currency. If I would want playing in online brothel I would not come to 3dxchat, there already other games that manage this function much better. 

What 3dxchat really needs are trial accounts to at least have a look at the game before buying, some advertisement and more social interactions aside of sex. With all of those we would have muuuch more people playing here. 

 

 

I'm not sure I follow some of this logic.

First of all, places like RLC has a far higher retention rate because of the constant flow of new content. If you want to use RLC as an example which is smaller than SL, they haven't had a new sex pose in 8 years now. Yet they retain a larger player base. Why? It's because of the factors. Of 'people like to play dress up and have lots of clothing' the economies attract the skilled, friendships they have formed, and people do like the fantasy of running buisness's. These are facts.

RLC started with a Dev team of 2 and grew through aggressive marketing.

How does that benefit a sex game? It should be obvious. Plus, 3DX already does have an economy of sorts. You can buy XGold. That is a Token economy. You buy something that doesn't have any real value out of the game.

A interesting thing about human nature is that people want things more and enjoy them more if it cost them something rather than they got them for free.  Just look how people treat rental places as opposed to those who own a place.

There are two types of economies in games. "Token" and "monetary." 

I assure you, had Utherverse not bitten off more than it could do with their failed Curio project where it was a full economy with lots of new content HOURLY and the content creators in the Unity Store also setting up shops there, the vast majority that came here from RLC and SL would be there right now and we would be debating the cost of things, not if it was better.

Can a more developed Token Economy be created in 3DX. Certainly. Would it have a positive effect. Most likely. Will they do it? I'm certain of it.

I would bet real money this is what happens.

Once gold transfers occur, people will be selling builds with less free stuff being added.

Brothels will appear and escorts will charge for their services Xgold and gifts won't be the currency anymore.

I can see raffles in clubs to attract people. "Buy a ticket for  "X" to win the pot.

I can see dance teams and DJ'S wanting "paid."

I can see builders being commissioned for a unique build.

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Hm no, I do not like the fantasie of running a bizz. If so, I would go somewhere where I could do so.

Quite to the opposite, I expecially like, that there's no real option to gain anything. What I do, I do for fun. If I decide to offer a build for DL I do it for free, 'cos I get a lot from community and this would be a way for me, to give something back.

Where comes this urge from, to transfer everything into the same money-driven crap? I don't get it.

Indeed, I can also see people will try to be paid for whatever they do now for fun. However, I can not see the slightest peace of benefit in that.

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36 minutes ago, THX said:

Can a more developed Token Economy be created in 3DX. Certainly. Would it have a positive effect. Most likely. Will they do it? I'm certain of it.

You certain that this will happen why? Because you want so? It did not happen in 8 years lol. But in this year or year after - for sure :lol: And I already put a link on a Gizmo's post, but will do it again. 

I don't know what makes you think that it's going to change. They did not bring xgold exchange even despite a positive vote on it 1.5 years ago in their discord. And even IF they will bring xgold exchange in game – it's still not going to be anything like these market based games, because you can't buy content for xgold here, like clothes, poses, customisation and other stuff. Xgold has not such a value like in-game currency in those other games. You may only hire a hooker or buy a house, while there is a tons of houses for free anyway. I am not really against xgold exchange, neither am I for it. I am against a market though. And good thing – it's not going to happen here. At least not to same degree as in some games of this genre.

44 minutes ago, THX said:

Once gold transfers occur, people will be selling builds with less free stuff being added.

Brothels will appear and escorts will charge for their services Xgold and gifts won't be the currency anymore.

I can see raffles in clubs to attract people. "Buy a ticket for  "X" to win the pot.

I can see dance teams and DJ'S wanting "paid."

I can see builders being commissioned for a unique build.

Yeah, you know what, I think I am actually against the xgold exchange lol. It's still better than a market with poses and clothes, but still better not have an exchange option at all. 

 

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1 hour ago, THX said:

Once gold transfers occur, people will be selling builds with less free stuff being added.

Brothels will appear and escorts will charge for their services Xgold and gifts won't be the currency anymore.

I can see raffles in clubs to attract people. "Buy a ticket for  "X" to win the pot.

I can see dance teams and DJ'S wanting "paid."

I can see builders being commissioned for a unique build.

I read this and I try to see why this would be better. Right now everything is free and offer in builds, djs, dance team or escort is pretty large. So why paying for something we can have for free would be better?

I assume if a pose editor and a clothing editor would come in, there would be also a large offer for free.

While you might be right that people in RLC and SL stays there cos they like the economy there, maybe people in 3DXChat because there is NO economy. If they implement one, they might kill the one thing that was making them different. They have less content than competition but what is in 3DX is available for all.

Concerning XGold, when i see some nights how people push rooms, I bet devs make more money with xgold for hosts than the actual subscriptions.

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1 hour ago, Xizi said:

You certain that this will happen why? Because you want so? It did not happen in 8 years lol. But in this year or year after - for sure :lol: And I already put a link on a Gizmo's post, but will do it again. 

I don't know what makes you think that it's going to change. They did not bring xgold exchange even despite a positive vote on it 1.5 years ago in their discord. And even IF they will bring xgold exchange in game – it's still not going to be anything like these market based games, because you can't buy content for xgold here, like clothes, poses, customisation and other stuff. Xgold has not such a value like in-game currency in those other games. You may only hire a hooker or buy a house, while there is a tons of houses for free anyway. I am not really against xgold exchange, neither am I for it. I am against a market though. And good thing – it's not going to happen here. At least not to same degree as in some games of this genre.

Yeah, you know what, I think I am actually against the xgold exchange lol. It's still better than a market with poses and clothes, but still better not have an exchange option at all. 

 

You are talking a out oranges when we are talking about apples. Gizmo madecit clear that basic updates and poses etc. Wouldn't be an extra cost. User to user transfers are not the same thing. Just as the tools for clothing customization coming will be free like the WE is. But can what is created be saved and 'sold' like .world files can be? That remains to be learned.

Last count there were 2003 people who wanted xGold transfer and not everyone bothers with forum or discord.. It is a very complicated system to introduce and requires a lot of security built in. It would take quite a bit of time. Months to years. I've already seen how difficult it is once to create. 

 

And yes, I am certain eventually it will be added. They wouldn't have brought it up if it wasn't being considered.

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49 minutes ago, Torax said:

I read this and I try to see why this would be better. Right now everything is free and offer in builds, djs, dance team or escort is pretty large. So why paying for something we can have for free would be better?

I assume if a pose editor and a clothing editor would come in, there would be also a large offer for free.

While you might be right that people in RLC and SL stays there cos they like the economy there, maybe people in 3DXChat because there is NO economy. If they implement one, they might kill the one thing that was making them different. They have less content than competition but what is in 3DX is available for all.

Concerning XGold, when i see some nights how people push rooms, I bet devs make more money with xgold for hosts than the actual subscriptions.

I do think it is a good thing. People on dance teams have to practice and commit their time. Why shouldn't they be compensated? Same for the best DJ's, hookers etc. The best will stand out and reep the rewards. It adds another dimension to the game.

 

As for your thoughts on them making money off the purchase of Xgold. I totally agree with you they make a good bit and can make more. I sure as hell would have done this years ago if I was them. No one HAS to buy Xgold. It's completely optional and you earn it just by logging in.

I don't disagree that many don't want such a thing here as a real economy. I don't think Gizmo wants to go that far. He would need to hire staff to moderate and maintain it. However, everyone who doesn't could easily be replaced by those from other worlds not here because there is no way to make money here. It is seriously in the hundreds at the least.

Even in the full economy worlds there is lots of free stuff. But the best will always cost. Just like it costs to keep your room on top now.

Rember those who said the game would be ruined by the World Editor being added?

Rember those recently who claimed doom and gloom about room moderation being added?

I honestly wouldn't worry about it. 

 

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This free getting good stuff is a pretty convenient solution for 80% of players. So I, who makes a quality room, keep it on TOP to create a good environment for visitors. To do that, I have to spend thousands of XGolds ... but whoever enjoys the room, spend 0 on anything! Sure, my EGO wants the room on the TOP, but that’s not true. If a visitor sees people, he stays... if he sees the room in the top 20, he stays ... if he doesn't, he goes to the 2-bit rooms. It is in everyone's interest to have quality rooms, "services" ... but that's why you should spend it to have at least value. This logic is true for all "work" in the game.

Rooms:
If you wanted to sell your rooms for real money, you could have done so in a variety of ways. (PayPal, Patreons .. etc) Why is it bad to take a room from you for XGold? In fact! Why is it bad to have access to more demanding rooms? I think it's really fair to those who spend DAYS / WEEKS / MONTHS building 1-1 rooms. Unlike those who put 8 beds in one place and are ready ... Yes, value is the room that those who pay for it can go to. (This may be the case that the price of drinks and gifts brought into the room will be paid to the room opener)

Escort work:
Do you really want to pay for these types of players with gifs? A lot of the stingy guy, this can be experienced all the time ... but why not get the escort player to use "pay" after spending HOURS serving others. It's pretty comfortable for more shy or undemanding players to use escorts ... but do we condemn escorts anyway? This is a pretty two-faced behavior / opinion ...

Dance groups / DJ work:
They both take HOURS from the player and don’t get much back in return. There are very demanding DJs and dance groups whose time would be worth rewarding with real value.

XGold has the ability to add real value by keeping it in the game. It is not possible to build a business on it in such a way as to generate money in real life, as it can only be used in the game, so it is not as harmful as many explain here on the forum. IMPORTANT: you can use XGold for meaningful things in the game as well .... this needs to be expanded and then a value-creating game can be played. Without it come those who do nothing for the game, but get "everything" thanks to the hardworking players ...

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Mhm, can I ask you this? Do you build rooms, dj, play escort, are part of a dance team because you like it or because you want to be rewarded for it?

To me, noone should expect rewards else than people thanking you or making you a compliment. If people want to donate to you, it is a plus of course. I saw some rooms selling for 5 dollars and some for 150 dollars. I can tell you, you can buy a good room 150 dollars, you can pay some djs and dancegroups, you room might still be empty at the end.

The idea that quality rooms, quality djs, quality dance group will fill a room is a myth. What fills a room is number for sex rooms,the more are in, the more comes in, and for party room, it is all about the groups you are with.

At the end, if a market comes in, why not. But I imagine one day doing a party and I have to do a budget xxxx gold for djs, xxxx gold for dance group, xxxx gold for rooms, to be honest, for me it would kill the fun, and the idea we are a community.

Again I am ok about the donation system, but I dont like the idea people putting a price on what they do in a game.

The strength of 3DX was people putting effort together because they simply liked a project. Imagine, people who organized 3 days event with 30 djs, if tomorrow djs ask for payment, will those events still take place?

I am just thinking out loud because I hardly can see the real consequences of it. I just feel the economy will kinda kill the support people were giving to each other and what was before done by kindness or friendship will be done for money/xgold.

 

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25 minutes ago, THX said:

I do think it is a good thing. People on dance teams have to practice and commit their time. Why shouldn't they be compensated? Same for the best DJ's, hookers etc. The best will stand out and reep the rewards. It adds another dimension to the game.

 

On the other hand, by doing this, the ones who wanted to be dj or hooker just for fantasy and nothing else might not be able to cos everything will be taken by the "top" ones, no?

Why this way of thinking, that anything done should be rewarded, there wouldnt be anymore people helping homeless for free, and so on, cos hey they should be compensated. If what you do is a hobby there shouldnt be automatic compensation, if what you do is a job, then yes it should be paid.

When I played World of Warcraft as raid leader, spending 2 hours before and after raid to prepare the raid 40 and then calculate dkp and other stuff, who should get a loot or not, noone ever thought that this time should be compensated...why? cos it is a game, cos is was a choice not an obligation, cos it was a hobby. 

If you give some help to someone, do you expect compensation?

I am not fighting with you, I just give my point of view. Bringing in some economy might not be as bad as I see it, or it might be worse than you see it lol. When they introduced Patreon, I was real worried and at the end nothing much happened. Might be the same with a new economy.

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19 minutes ago, Torax said:

On the other hand, by doing this, the ones who wanted to be dj or hooker just for fantasy and nothing else might not be able to cos everything will be taken by the "top" ones, no?

Why this way of thinking, that anything done should be rewarded, there wouldnt be anymore people helping homeless for free, and so on, cos hey they should be compensated. If what you do is a hobby there shouldnt be automatic compensation, if what you do is a job, then yes it should be paid.

When I played World of Warcraft as raid leader, spending 2 hours before and after raid to prepare the raid 40 and then calculate dkp and other stuff, who should get a loot or not, noone ever thought that this time should be compensated...why? cos it is a game, cos is was a choice not an obligation, cos it was a hobby. 

If you give some help to someone, do you expect compensation?

I am not fighting with you, I just give my point of view. Bringing in some economy might not be as bad as I see it, or it might be worse than you see it lol. When they introduced Patreon, I was real worried and at the end nothing much happened. Might be the same with a new economy.

 

I don't take your points as 'fighting' they are perfectly valid and good points that deserve answers.

It was kewl you did all those things for free, but you did it cause you enjoyed doing it. Just as there are those who enjoy having a business. There will still be people who do things for free because they enjoy doing them I'd probably continue giving stuff for free I was interested in making. But you gotta admit, if I asked you to build me something custom and wanted changes done periodically along the way you would be less inclined to take it on, as opposed to me offering you 10,000 Xgold for the commission 

Yes, there will be bad hookers who are overshadowed by the good ones. They will have to step their game up if the wanna play with the big dogs.

Many of us have seen all these scenarios already play out daily, weekly, monthly and yearly in the older worlds were you can do these things. 

Many people are competative. I'd be willing to hire the best dance teams over crappy ones any day. They would be expected to spam their friends lists to invite people, be flirty and entertaining, etc. After all, that's what I hired them to do. Otherwise it's no more than a bunch of avid running scripts.

Boring

 

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4 minutes ago, THX said:

 

I don't take your points as 'fighting' they are perfectly valid and good points that deserve answers.

It was kewl you did all those things for free, but you did it cause you enjoyed doing it. Just as there are those who enjoy having a business. There will still be people who do things for free because they enjoy doing them I'd probably continue giving stuff for free I was interested in making. But you gotta admit, if I asked you to build me something custom and wanted changes done periodically along the way you would be less inclined to take it on, as opposed to me offering you 10,000 Xgold for the commission 

Yes, there will be bad hookers who are overshadowed by the good ones. They will have to step their game up if the wanna play with the big dogs.

Many of us have seen all these scenarios already play out daily, weekly, monthly and yearly in the older worlds were you can do these things. 

Many people are competative. I'd be willing to hire the best dance teams over crappy ones any day. They would be expected to spam their friends lists to invite people, be flirty and entertaining, etc. After all, that's what I hired them to do. Otherwise it's no more than a bunch of avid running scripts.

Boring

 

Yes this is the point exactly, if people asking for reward is not a generality, I can live with it indeed. My only real fear is that everything becomes a paying thing in the future. If some wants to pay for things, free to them, but my wish is that paying for a room, a dj, a pose, a dance group dont become the standard. Some people already sell rooms and that is ok, people remain free to choose to buy them or not. 

I got offer to build rooms but always declined them cos it is a pain to build for someone for the reason you said lol (constant changes).

Basically I wish that core and important things related to the game remains free and available via the subscription. Anything cosmetic can be sold.

 

 

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