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2 minutes ago, chloe said:

You are right that a lot of bad shit is going around the world. So it made you tough, well, I know this, my skin is now also much thicker as some years ago. But I know very well that others don't have such a thick skin as we have. So what about them? What about the rape victims? If you start to tolerate this other shit will follow. More shit as we already have. 

What about the black woman that freaks out because she sees BDSM slaves and starts giving you history lessons on how her ancestors blah blah blah OMG what are you gonna do? What can you do? Run, that's my advice. I'm not into BDSM but i have explored it and understand the sexual additive. Get yourself a very broken English, Eastern European Master or Mistress to dominate the hell out of you....Can I trade the Rape Room in for that? Bottom line is this. Controversial issue get discussed we have done that. Our job is done. Now its up to staff to make a ruling with their explanation or opinion. Its not our Rodeo It's theirs

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7 minutes ago, kesha1982 said:

What about the black woman that freaks out because she sees BDSM slaves and starts giving you history lessons on how her ancestors blah blah blah OMG what are you gonna do? What can you do? Run, that's my advice. I'm not into BDSM but i have explored it and understand the sexual additive. Get yourself a very broken English, Eastern European Master or Mistress to dominate the hell out of you....Can I trade the Rape Room in for that? Bottom line is this. Controversial issue get discussed we have done that. Our job is done. Now its up to staff to make a ruling with their explanation or opinion. Its not our Rodeo It's theirs

She will never give me a history lesson since I would hardly support a BDSM slavery room. 

Why are you now attacking me? I am not in BDSM at all and you tell me to get me a "a very broken English, Eastern European Master or Mistress to dominate the hell out of you" ??? 

"Look, you are demonstrating against X but Y is just as bad and since you are not demonstrating against it, you are for it."  - perfect way to deny every demonstration its legitimacy!

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52 minutes ago, kesha1982 said:

... Controversial issue get discussed we have done that. Our job is done. Now its up to staff to make a ruling with their explanation or opinion. Its not our Rodeo It's theirs

You're right. I already stated too, while this rules already exist in the TOS, this disussion is superfluous. However discussing might be fun nonetheless.

@Coldheart let me try to get things straight.

You say like you name a certain deed and announce it is not welcome and if you do it, you will be punished and recieve a ban, or 3 years in jail or whatever. The resulting effect will be, that it only attracts more peps with rotten morals to do exactly that, did I get you right? So there would be less fraud if fraudsters won't be punished?

Do a favor to our society and tell this to all the prosecutors around the world. Since as long as the record goes, mankind's concept is exactly the opposite. If you got some data which backs up your hypothesis, write a book, revolutionize our juristic system and become rich and famous. Well deserved.

But to be honest, I think you maunder!

My impression is, since peps noticed, rape rooms ain't no fun and you really get kicked for opening one, they dissappeared from stage. At last I did not see a single one since then. Which somehow would prove your claim wrong, no?

Sorry, but this is the point, I am out. I find it too hard to type while shaking all over laughing tears.

Regards Pan

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9 hours ago, Coldheart said:

Let us say that starting this same topic does indeed get one person on 3DX to rethink opening such a room and said person never opens a room with this theme. First, if this person is one of the better people with stronger morals here they would most likely never have considered opening such a room in the first place. I know I never have. But let’s entertain the notion and say you accomplished preventing someone from doing it, as you describe as “worth it.”

 

What I am stating, in doing so, at the same time, these topics only encourage those with faulty morals to open them more. Not only those already opening them but also inspiring those, who had not considered it previously, to do it now.

With that logic no one should ever speak out against anything.  Ever.

God help us all if that ever becomes the normal state of affairs.

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Words are worth 1000 pictures. My mouth is a direct unfiltered portal to my brain. Its always right till proven wrong then it just shrugs and changes its data storage. I know, its a curse and a blessing. So what do you want to talk about? What you are against is decades of porn site Genre and it gets much much worse. Insest, Nazi uniforms. So while you can take the Virtual out of the porn site you cant take the porn site out of the virtual. Blathering idiotocracies. I know that's all I have left. With BDSM a seeming favorite of the site owner "Rape a dope Island" is just a hop skip and jump away. Maybe we interpret the TOS different. Regardless half the mystery is solved and I have the momentum going forward but probably wont. I've taken on a new challenge of being a Uniter and not a Devider. Wish me luck.

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13 hours ago, Coldheart said:

Bring something intelligent to the conversation besides your same go to bull crap or get lost.

You and "intelligent"? :lol: ... you are douchbag, you came to my topic just to insult me. You don`t have brains if you can`t get that there is a TOS here and this is prohibited in any case. Question is closed. Chill.

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5 hours ago, chloe said:

If you start to tolerate this other shit will follow. More shit as we already have. 

This is kinda exactly what bothering me about this subject. But in different direction. 

I don't care in a slightest about rape rooms. If they are getting closed and people who open them getting banned – whatever, not my problem. Same goes about underage stuff – I have no problems with people getting banned for it.

But what I am afraid of – it is an escalation of bans/prohibitions. I already saw this kind of ideas in this thread and other threads about rape. Like "What about slavery? Slavery is against the laws as well!". Okay, ban slavery-related rooms. Then ban raceplay rooms. Then ban rooms with offensive names. Then what? Good if it will end up with just rooms. Though in one of the previous threads I already saw an idea about banning everyone visiting rape room. It did not have much support, but still. But what if people craving to punish others will go further and devs will support these ideas? Okay, fuck rooms. But what if we go to the point of banning people for "offensive" profiles? Let's imagine someone have a raceplay fantasy. Or slavery fantasy. Or incest fantasies. Or sexual abuse fantasy. And stating this in their profile. How these people should connect with each other if they will not be able to even have info about their dark kinks in their profiles? 

I don't really have anything against the ban of rape rooms, but escalation of these ideas further can eventually push the game to the point of being sterile safe-space for a bunch of easily offended thin-skins while kinky peeps will have to leave. 

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19 minutes ago, Xizl said:

This is kinda exactly what bothering me about this subject. But in different direction. 

I don't care in a slightest about rape rooms. If they are getting closed and people who open them getting banned – whatever, not my problem. Same goes about underage stuff – I have no problems with people getting banned for it.

But what I am afraid of – it is an escalation of bans/prohibitions. I already saw this kind of ideas in this thread and other threads about rape. Like "What about slavery? Slavery is against the laws as well!". Okay, ban slavery-related rooms. Then ban raceplay rooms. Then ban rooms with offensive names. Then what? Good if it will end up with just rooms. Though in one of the previous threads I already saw an idea about banning everyone visiting rape room. It did not have much support, but still. But what if people craving to punish others will go further and devs will support these ideas? Okay, fuck rooms. But what if we go to the point of banning people for "offensive" profiles? Let's imagine someone have a raceplay fantasy. Or slavery fantasy. Or incest fantasies. Or sexual abuse fantasy. And stating this in their profile. How these people should connect with each other if they will not be able to even have info about their dark kinks in their profiles? 

I don't really have anything against the ban of rape rooms, but escalation of these ideas further can eventually push the game to the point of being sterile safe-space for a bunch of easily offended thin-skins while kinky peeps will have to leave. 

Well... we have to draw somewhere the line. I think nobody would complain that we should never tolerate underage fantasies (or?). The question now is: should we tolerate rape rooms? 

If you look at the rape numbers and then add the number of unreported rapes, not only is there a high possibility that some of our players have had to go through this, no, it is certain and the number will not be small. If you include those who are disgusted by rape fantasies, the number is even considerable. Definitely much larger than the rape role players.

Let us look at other "fantasies". Slavery for example. Unfortunately, almost every African American has victims of slavery in their family, because otherwise they would not be Americans. This is bad, very bad, and I condemn it too deeply that even today slavery still exists. However, finding a direct victim of slavery among the players here will be quite hard. What I say now is not a judgement, but I think a ban of rooms with slavery in their name will not really be able to gain a majority. Neither will rooms with the discriminatory abbreviation: BBC.

I personally avoid those rooms but my pain seeing them is not that high to report them. Others might see this different and that's fine.

Another point, and a not very insignificant one. This game already suffers from the fact that there are too few women among the players (real ones) and I speak for myself and certainly for many others: I would not like to be a member of a community that accepts fantasies of rape (same with underage). 

So it might not only be a humane decision by SexGameDevil to ban those two fantasies, but also a financial one. What would a sex game be worse if it was only played by men?

My last posting in this thread. Otherwise I would just repeat myself.

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20 minutes ago, chloe said:

Well... we have to draw somewhere the line.

I agree. I just hope that the line will stay in place and not going to go past "banning the rape rooms and underage" point. 

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1 hour ago, chloe said:

Well... we have to draw somewhere the line. I think nobody would complain that we should never tolerate underage fantasies (or?). The question now is: should we tolerate rape rooms? 

If you look at the rape numbers and then add the number of unreported rapes, not only is there a high possibility that some of our players have had to go through this, no, it is certain and the number will not be small. If you include those who are disgusted by rape fantasies, the number is even considerable. Definitely much larger than the rape role players.

Let us look at other "fantasies". Slavery for example. Unfortunately, almost every African American has victims of slavery in their family, because otherwise they would not be Americans. This is bad, very bad, and I condemn it too deeply that even today slavery still exists. However, finding a direct victim of slavery among the players here will be quite hard. What I say now is not a judgement, but I think a ban of rooms with slavery in their name will not really be able to gain a majority. Neither will rooms with the discriminatory abbreviation: BBC.

I personally avoid those rooms but my pain seeing them is not that high to report them. Others might see this different and that's fine.

Another point, and a not very insignificant one. This game already suffers from the fact that there are too few women among the players (real ones) and I speak for myself and certainly for many others: I would not like to be a member of a community that accepts fantasies of rape (same with underage). 

So it might not only be a humane decision by SexGameDevil to ban those two fantasies, but also a financial one. What would a sex game be worse if it was only played by men?

My last posting in this thread. Otherwise I would just repeat myself.

The points you made are actually the same thoughts I was having on this topic over the past few hours.

Alas the truth about rape is that it is far from being limited to those dreadful headlines about dark alleys and the like.  The fact is that for many women (and some men) rape is an everyday occurrence that happens behind closed doors in their own homes caused by abusive partners.  The abuse is not just physical but also emotional and the victims all too often feel trapped in the situation.

Sure slavery is sick and disgusting too, and both rape and real slavery leave victims with trauma that destroys self-confidence, self-value and causes other deep emotional scars which last long, long after the physical body has healed.

Standing up against rape rooms and slavery rooms isn't just right because of ToS, or because it is upsetting for people that have been victims to see these abuses listed in room names, and has little to do with whether it is actually possible to be raped or enslaved in a virtual sex game .

Standing up against rape and slavery is simply the right thing to do in any humane society.

 

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Not sure how some of you equated me stating that continuously bringing up this topic in 3dx forums only to create negative results in any way related to not speaking your mind anywhere else. I just chalk it up to several of you being overly emotional and not very bright and I will leave it there with that.

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12 hours ago, Twiggy said:

You are so full of yourself, as always talking shit from the point of view of someone who doesn't think like normal people.

 

 

You got that right. I have common sense.

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9 hours ago, Pandorra said:

You're right. I already stated too, while this rules already exist in the TOS, this disussion is superfluous. However discussing might be fun nonetheless.

I though it was superfluous too, and that people just kept making threads about something that was already banned in writing, because they enjoyed making those types of threads, and arguments. That they were looking for attention, approval, or whatever.

However, there is no written rule about it any longer infact as far as I can tell there isn't even a TOS anymore its been deleted/merged with the Game Rules, and the EULA. The section about rape in the TOS didn't make it into either. Basically we are back to where things were before the first rape thread with it being an unwritten rule that the devs were enforcing, but not something that was in writing, and people started asking why not.

That being the case there really isn't any way for people to know about this unwritten rule without them being informed about it either here, or in the game. People could use common sense, and see that its a bad idea, but there are many colders, new people, and foreign people with poor English who simply might not know. 

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1 hour ago, Niblette said:

I though it was superfluous too, and that people just kept making threads about something that was already banned in writing, because they enjoyed making those types of threads, and arguments. That they were looking for attention, approval, or whatever.

However, there is no written rule about it any longer infact as far as I can tell there isn't even a TOS anymore its been deleted/merged with the Game Rules, and the EULA. The section about rape in the TOS didn't make it into either. Basically we are back to where things were before the first rape thread with it being an unwritten rule that the devs were enforcing, but not something that was in writing, and people started asking why not.

That being the case there really isn't any way for people to know about this unwritten rule without them being informed about it either here, or in the game. People could use common sense, and see that its a bad idea, but there are many colders, new people, and foreign people with poor English who simply might not know. 

Read 3.08., and others.  It can be called anything, but there are rules about the subject.

3 Names (Players and Rooms), Avatars, Images/Video, Signatures & Room logos

3.08 which have an association with pedophilia, sexual abuse; or have an offensive connection to the human body or bodily functions.

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On 9/6/2020 at 7:56 PM, Niblette said:

No actually I think I am wrong and the devs no longer explicitly ban it.

3.08 which have an association with pedophilia, sexual abuse; or have an offensive connection to the human body or bodily functions.

The legal definition of sexual abuse is "unwanted sexual activity, with perpetrators using force, making threats or taking advantage of victims not able to give consent". So children or mentally disabled people basically not really adults. They could have added sexual assault (rape) or sexual violence which is the broadest term, but they didn't, so I have to assume from how its written they are only talking about people who can't consent. 

That doesn't ban sexual assault it only bans sexual abuse. I actually spend some time reading things over, and I am fairly sure I am right, but I should read the exact definition of sexual abuse under Californian law. Which is the governing law. I will after work.

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1 hour ago, Niblette said:

That doesn't ban sexual assault it only bans sexual abuse. I actually spend some time reading things over, and I am fairly sure I am right, but I should read the exact definition of sexual abuse under Californian law. Which is the governing law. I will after work.

If you are going to get really specific then you also need to take into account the words which moderate the clause..."which have an association with...".

I'd find it hard to accept an argument that sexual assault of a victim is in no way associated with sexually or otherwise abusing them.

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1 hour ago, Niblette said:

That doesn't ban sexual assault it only bans sexual abuse. I actually spend some time reading things over, and I am fairly sure I am right, but I should read the exact definition of sexual abuse under Californian law. Which is the governing law. I will after work.

or have an offensive connection to the human body or bodily functions.

I don`t have enough time today, but maybe this part is about the subject.

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Actually this whole thread is against the TOS:

2.03. Any bad comments and / or discussions based on race, nationality, religion, culture, sexual preferences, rape and underage sex are prohibited.

if we are even not allowed to discuss about rape, how should it be allowed to virtually practice it? Rape was never mentioned anywhere else in the TOS as far as I remember. So no rule was removed.

Can we now please follow the TOS and stop discussion about rape and just accept that rape rooms are not accepted? Thank you!

 

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23 hours ago, Coldheart said:

 Going to try to explain this in a different and more detailed way in hopes it makes more sense. 
 

Let us say that starting this same topic does indeed get one person on 3DX to rethink opening such a room and said person never opens a room with this theme. First, if this person is one of the better people with stronger morals here they would most likely never have considered opening such a room in the first place. I know I never have. But let’s entertain the notion and say you accomplished preventing someone from doing it, as you describe as “worth it.”

 

What I am stating, in doing so, at the same time, these topics only encourage those with faulty morals to open them more. Not only those already opening them but also inspiring those, who had not considered it previously, to do it now.

 

So it ends up becoming the the old saying “one step forward and two steps back.” So in the end the behavior of complaining about in this particular forum is self defeating. 
 

The next, and better, alternative being not to open rooms like this yourself and canceling out from the game those that do, in any way available to you.

 

I have no idea how to explain it any better to you, so from here you are on your own. Good luck to you.

I sill think these claims are baseless. But let's say you are correct, and talking about this subject does cause more people to partake in this. Those people will also be banned, so quite the opposite is true, in the sense that, it removes more of these people from the community. That is a positive in my book and even more of a reason to bring this to attention. 

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1 hour ago, chloe said:

Actually this whole thread is against the TOS:

2.03. Any bad comments and / or discussions based on race, nationality, religion, culture, sexual preferences, rape and underage sex are prohibited.

if we are even not allowed to discuss about rape, how should it be allowed to virtually practice it? Rape was never mentioned anywhere else in the TOS as far as I remember. So no rule was removed.

Can we now please follow the TOS and stop discussion about rape and just accept that rape rooms are not accepted? Thank you!

 

Can you link to where the terms of service are on the site?

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2 hours ago, Leopardus said:

If you are going to get really specific then you also need to take into account the words which moderate the clause..."which have an association with...".

I'd find it hard to accept an argument that sexual assault of a victim is in no way associated with sexually or otherwise abusing them.

In legal terms in the US in order to be abused you have to be either a minor, unable to give consent, or be in a dependent relationship with the perpetrator.

If you look though the California Penal Code you will see that is true for all the crimes with abuse as part of the name.

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/

https://www.thegomezfirm.com/what-is-the-difference-between-sexual-assault-and-sexual-abuse/

"California’s penal code does not specifically define sexual abuse. Yet, over the years, court cases and accompanying jury instructions have addressed the definition. Ultimately sexual abuse might or might not include penetration. Based on People v. White (1986) 179 Cal. App. 3d 194 and California’s Criminal Jury Instructions, whether or not penetration occurs, sexual abuse takes place when a person touches the intimate parts of another to cause pain, injury, or discomfort. This also includes emotional pain, injury, and discomfort. The perpetrator does not have to achieve sexual arousal or gratification when sexual abuse occurs.

The American Psychological Association (APA) offers a slightly broader definition of sexual abuse as “unwanted sexual activity, with perpetrators using force, making threats, or taking advantage of victims not able to give consent.” In a civil trial, attorneys often call upon medical experts to testify about the impacts of assault or abuse, so the APA’s definition might also be applied."

So yes rape in some cases is also sexual abuse but not all rapes involve sexual abuse.

 

 

 

 

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