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14 minutes ago, chloe said:

But how is rape sex? by definition sex always happens by mutual agreement between two or more full age adults.

Indeed. But there is no rape in 3dxchat. Only rape-themed RP.

15 minutes ago, chloe said:

If you tolerate rape as a fantasy you would have to tolerate other awful fantasies (e.g. underage) as well since the fantasy itself happens between two adult persons behind their PC monitors.Β 

I indeed tolerate ANY kind of fantasies as long as I am not involved and it's not getting shoved in my face. I would not want to see a child abuse room and would tell any person who are asking me to play such a scenario to begone and probably would be disgusted by such an invitation, but I really don't give a fuck what two peeps RP together as long as I am not involved in any form.Β 

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30 minutes ago, Xizl said:

Indeed. But there is no rape in 3dxchat. Only rape-themed RP.

I indeed tolerate ANY kind of fantasies as long as I am not involved and it's not getting shoved in my face. I would not want to see a child abuse room and would tell any person who are asking me to play such a scenario to begone and probably would be disgusted by such an invitation, but I really don't give a fuck what two peeps RP together as long as I am not involved in any form.Β 

Ther RP between two is not the problem - we are talking about rooms with Rape in it's name - what two people do behind closed doors is not my business at all.

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1 hour ago, Xizl said:

Indeed. But there is no rape in 3dxchat. Only rape-themed RP.

I indeed tolerate ANY kind of fantasies as long as I am not involved and it's not getting shoved in my face. I would not want to see a child abuse room and would tell any person who are asking me to play such a scenario to begone and probably would be disgusted by such an invitation, but I really don't give a fuck what two peeps RP together as long as I am not involved in any form.Β 

So you would be fine if someone opened a room called slave the blacks and fantasised about being a slave owner, or beat the transgenders who fantasised about beating up transgenders. Maybe you would be,Β but I think that would be telling us all something about you. My opinion is if someone did open a room saying beat up transgenders you would be all over it. In fact like child abuse rooms I think everyone would, even though they would only be themed rooms as you put it. Just like rape rooms putting it in the listΒ of open rooms with the theme showing and made clear is putting it in your face. The only difference is is rape is not an important enough issue to you. You can't rape anyone in 3DXChat, but if you see roleplay and fantasies of rape as innocent then you would also have to say that you can't enslave anyone or bash anyone in 3DXChat. So where do you draw the line Xizi, would you allow transgender bashing rooms, or nazi rooms. Is that kind of roleplay OK by you ?

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2 minutes ago, Twiggy said:

So you would be fine if someone opened a room called slave the blacks and fantasised about being a slave owner, or beat the transgenders who fantasised about beating up transgenders. Maybe you would be,Β but I think that would be telling us all something about you. My opinion is if someone did open a room saying beat up transgenders you would be all over it. In fact like child abuse rooms I think everyone would, even though they would only be themed rooms as you put it. Just like rape rooms putting it in the listΒ of open rooms with the theme showing and made clear is putting it in your face. The only difference is is rape is not an important enough issue to you. You can't rape anyone in 3DXChat, but if you see roleplay and fantasies of rape as innocent then you would also have to say that you can't enslave anyone or bash anyone in 3DXChat. So where do you draw the line Xizi, would you allow transgender bashing rooms, or nazi rooms. Is that kind of roleplay OK by you ?

No, I would not like such rooms to be open. No, such kind of roleplay is not OK for me. But yes, I am okay if people will play such kind of scenarios privately. You can not tell people what kind of fantasies they can or can not have.Β 

I am not even opposing the closing of rape rooms lol. I just findΒ some arguments brought up in this thread wrong.Β 

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2 hours ago, Xizl said:

Indeed. But there is no rape in 3dxchat. Only rape-themed RP.

Indeed. But there is no rape in 3dxchat. Only rape-themed RP.
Indeed. But there is no child abuse in 3dxchat. Only child-abuse-themed RP.

Why is rape-themed RPΒ less sick as child-abuse-themed RP?Β I don'tΒ get it.

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18 minutes ago, Xizl said:

No, I would not like such rooms to be open. No, such kind of roleplay is not OK for me. But yes, I am okay if people will play such kind of scenarios privately. You can not tell people what kind of fantasies they can or can not have.Β 

I am not even opposing the closing of rape rooms lol. I just findΒ some arguments brought up in this thread wrong.Β 

Fine, I agree you cannot tell people what roleplay they do privately, but opening rooms specific for certain types of roleplay is not doing it privately, that is what this thread is all about.Β 

You aren't opposed to rape rooms being closed, wow, you could have fooled me up until now. As even though you haven't actually said so all your arguments seem to be implying the opposite. When you say you don't care about rape rooms and people being banned for opening them, but then go on to say we have to watch out what we allow and don't the way you did is very much defending them not being banned. In one of your post you mentioned what about other types of rooms, like race rooms, and went on to say things that could only be taken as you being against the banning of any type of room. Sorry I took that as you being apposed to the banning of any type of room including rape rooms.

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1 minute ago, KeshaBisha said:

Because in the safety and comfort of 2Β  consenting Adults, Role Play that involves forced sex, or Rape as you call it, can be exciting where as child or sex with a minor is just sick not to mention illegal and I wish you would stop talking about it. Thinking about it. Nobody opened a Child Molestation Room. I guess it boils down to an Adult was so desperate they hoped for Rape is not illegal where as Child molestation is. Another problem is you have been looking at this through the eyes of a Rapist where I have been viewing it from the eyes of a secretly willing victim.,

Don't you get what you say? You measure both with differentΒ scales.Β There is NO consensual rape in reality. NO victim ever secretly willing to get raped. This is just the fantasy of some men!Β 

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9 hours ago, Xizl said:

1. Rape is illegal.

This is illegal exactly in 3dxchat. Well...Gizmo said that lol That`s a difference.

A game is a game, and it's very rare if a person goes into real life to do bad things after playing a game. Most often, this is the opposite. People give their aggression to virtual worlds. Sometimes it helps people 12-20 years old a lot. just my opinion.

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Well Kesha what is your intentionΒ here? To legalize Rape Rooms in 3dxChat?
If you expect that I read anything what you have posted you are wrong. Most, if not nearly all, will also not do so. SoΒ better save your time and energy before you post irrelevant and copied stuff here again just to win by word count ^^
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50 minutes ago, KeshaBisha said:

I will respect any true offense taken toward clubs named Rape Room.

Lets cut the crap and get right to the nitty gritty.

Some guy named his club Rape room for 1 reason and 1 reason only.

Just like all the other BBC cum slut cock sucking whore bitches taking it in every hole.

The guy was looking for traffic in a competitive market. It was an attention get'r.

Plain and simple.

There is a logic mistake.

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5 minutes ago, Lexilore said:

very weird of you all people. slavery is ok in game. bbc / bwc is ok. but rape is like taboo. nonsense

Most β€˜Slavery’ in the game is only a term for a specific and consensual BDSM subgroup.Β 
The term might be offensive to some but is not banned by the Terms of Service.
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BBC and BWCΒ are pretty mainstream terms in porn. And not banned by the Terms of Service.Β 


Rape is Sexual abuse and subsequentlyΒ as a term,Β banned by the Terms of Service. End of story.Β 

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13 minutes ago, Derai said:

Most β€˜Slavery’ in the game is only a term for a specific and consensual BDSM subgroup.Β 
The term might be offensive to some but is not banned by the Terms of Service.
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BBC and BWCΒ are pretty mainstream terms in porn. And not banned by the Terms of Service.Β 


Rape is Sexual abuse and subsequentlyΒ as a term,Β banned by the Terms of Service. End of story.Β 

good joke

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1 hour ago, Lexilore said:

good joke

The offending effect of a SLAVERY / BBC /BWC ROOM is not so high. Personally I don't like the termΒ slave since slavery is still an issue in the world.Β But I would say that to act against these terms would go a bit too far. But of course you are free to address this to the developers.

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3 minutes ago, chloe said:

The offending effect of a SLAVERY / BBC /BWC ROOM is not so high. Personally I don't like the termΒ slave since slavery is still an issue in the world.Β But I would say that to act against these terms would go a bit too far. But of course you are free to address this to the developers.

I agree but I thought of another factor in all this that might explain some of the discussion here.Β 
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There might be a generational difference in the Impact of the terms.Β 
I often saw and see β€˜rape’ being used as just another swear word in gaming forums etc.Β 

Mostly by younger people that is Β 

With it just being an abstract concept for them, with no real deeper implications.Β 
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That might play a part here in the failure to understand why some get so triggered by it. Maybe?

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3 minutes ago, Derai said:

I agree but I thought of another factor in all this that might explain some of the discussion here.Β 
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There might be a generational difference in the Impact of the terms.Β 
I often saw and see β€˜rape’ being used as just another swear word in gaming forums etc.Β 

Mostly by younger people that is Β 

With it just being an abstract concept for them, with no real deeper implications.Β 
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That might play a part here in the failure to understand why some get so triggered by it. Maybe?

As a swear word? Something like "shut up or I rape you?" - that's totally sick but similar stupid and low asΒ  "or I kill you"

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6 minutes ago, chloe said:

As a swear word? Something like "shut up or I rape you?" - that's totally sick but similar stupid and low asΒ  "or I kill you"

Something like that yes.Β 
Or β€œI totally got raped by his (some action)” or β€œMy char got faceraped by (some move)”

It’s stupid and appalling.Β 

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2 hours ago, Lexilore said:

very weird of you all people. slavery is ok in game. bbc / bwc is ok. but rape is like taboo. nonsense

Makes perfect sense because there's a big differance.

"Slavery" as used here is a BDSM practice where the slave agrees to be enslaved. Therefore it has not much in common with real enslavement where slaves are taken against their will.

In contrast a rape victim by definition does not agree to the violance forced upon her/him. If both (or more) agree to whatever takes place by definition it can not be a rape.

This is a simple fact so much obvious that even a walnut could get it.

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The whole thread here can basically be boiled down to two camps / views.Β 
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A )Β The thing is wrong! And should be banned! Here’s why.Β 
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B ) I don’t think it’s bad, chill out. Here’s why it’s no big deal.Β 
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The issue being that both groups can’t empathize with each other about it.Β 
Anything beyond thatΒ is a moot point.Β 
Game Developers banned the term. Case closed.Β 

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On 9/22/2020 at 6:02 PM, chloe said:

Indeed. But there is no rape in 3dxchat. Only rape-themed RP.
Indeed. But there is no child abuse in 3dxchat. Only child-abuse-themed RP.

Why is rape-themed RPΒ less sick as child-abuse-themed RP?Β I don'tΒ get it.

Both are sick. But it's still no rape in 3dxchat. And no child abuse... Or I hope so at least.

On 9/22/2020 at 6:18 PM, Twiggy said:

Fine, I agree you cannot tell people what roleplay they do privately, but opening rooms specific for certain types of roleplay is not doing it privately, that is what this thread is all about.Β 

You aren't opposed to rape rooms being closed, wow, you could have fooled me up until now. As even though you haven't actually said so all your arguments seem to be implying the opposite. When you say you don't care about rape rooms and people being banned for opening them, but then go on to say we have to watch out what we allow and don't the way you did is very much defending them not being banned. In one of your post you mentioned what about other types of rooms, like race rooms, and went on to say things that could only be taken as you being against the banning of any type of room. Sorry I took that as you being apposed to the banning of any type of room including rape rooms.

Did I say somewhere that rape rooms should not be closed?Β 

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On 9/22/2020 at 12:34 PM, KeshaBisha said:

Lets run through a quick check list to see if you are qualified to be as offended as claimed.

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1st of all, i didn't know someone had to be "qualified" in any way to be offended by something. But let's skip all the stupid reasoning and discussion andΒ  just point out the obvious that has already been posted many times:

IT'S AGAINST 3DX TERMS OF SERVICE AND NOT ALLOWED.

I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to understand.Β 

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