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4 hours ago, Fyrefly said:

In your example if the builder is also host and creator, they would get the whole thing. If a builder says "Hey, host my room, and you can split any income with me 50/50." and the Host says "Ok, can I hire a really good DJ?", and the builder says "Sure, but if they wanna get paid, it comes out of your half." then you start having a functioning economy, just like real life. If people want to get that involved about it, it's up to them. Many probably won't care that much.

and who is to enforce that? 
yeah let's draft a contract and have the host, the builder and the DJ sign it and have virtual porn 3DD court stamp it 😂

gosh... you are fascinating indeed!

in the reality of the situation though... Alivia said one thing correct... if you don't like it don't do it... and that's where we will lose a lot of the wonderful people who liked to share their stuff for nothing.

Ana out

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25 minutes ago, Anaganda said:

and who is to enforce that? 
yeah let's draft a contract and have the host, the builder and the DJ sign it and have virtual porn 3DD court stamp it 😂

gosh... you are fascinating indeed!

in the reality of the situation though... Alivia said one thing correct... if you don't like it don't do it... and that's where we will lose a lot of the wonderful people who liked to share their stuff for nothing.

Ana out

Yup...full circle...I think the big complicated answer is contracts and enforcements. The short answer is let's not worry about it for now. Neither one is perfect. I still have trouble believing that people who shared their stuff for nothing would stop doing that...because even if someone else takes their stuff and makes money off of it, the original people are still sharing their stuff for free. Nothing really changes for them. I also still think that good building is a lot more than just original pixels, but I guess I'm a terrible person and I suck. It's been fun thinking through all of the implications (give or take the unnecessary character judgments) but ultimately yes, the whole freakin thing is voluntary. Be like Yoda and do, or do not... 

Peace,

Laz

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I'm just surprised no one has opened a room of things they wills  share for - a price, that is reselble stuff they built.

 

I'd prefer to share,  and avoid all this bullshit.

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Tha most likely scenario though, to be honest is, virtually no one is going to hand over money knowing that most likely they are getting a 2nd hand build, or 3rd hand 4th hand mod up. Ah guess when a room is Free peeps take wot they can get but when they have got to actually hand over sum munns fo eet their standards will rise im guessing.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Fyrefly said:

 I still have trouble believing that people who shared their stuff for nothing would stop doing that...because even if someone else takes their stuff and makes money off of it, the original people are still sharing their stuff for free. Nothing really changes for them. I also still think that good building is a lot more than just original pixels, but I guess I'm a terrible person and I suck. It's been fun thinking through all of the implications (give or take the unnecessary character judgments) but ultimately yes, the whole freakin thing is voluntary. Be like Yoda and do, or do not... 

Peace,

Laz

What changes is intentions. The intention of the person sharing their creation might change knowing the intention of the proposed D/Lers making money on them. Maybe some people, some wont care granted, some are going to stop sharing out of principle, some will stop because now they can make money selling them, why share them, some will stop sharing because they see their rooms being all modded up and reSold. Lottsa reasons. BUT                  WE                        WILL                           SEE!

Building is alot more than original pixels? Thats your opinion, how would you know really if you dont have tha time or cant be bothered to create an original build and just D/L other builds and mess with them. Its different.........try eet...maybe you have and obviously then you would know. Ah guess eets like Blender...sure ya can D/L a tonne of props already made by peeps put them all together, add your own lighting, render eet and WOOOOOOOOW looks AMAZIEBALLZ.......im guessing building eet all yaself would be far more rewarding, alot harder and take waaaaaay longer. But again waaaaaaaaaaaaay mooooooore rewaaaaaaarding!!

Yips.....gets out her degreaser....spray spray!

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In my opinion, there would have to be a huge fundamental shift in the game design, philosophy and popularity for things like this to become a big issue.

Call it what you like, be here for the reasons you are, but its impossible to escape that its just a cyber sex platform and most are here for that and that alone. 

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8 hours ago, Alliehotass said:

What changes is intentions. The intention of the person sharing their creation might change knowing the intention of the proposed D/Lers making money on them. Maybe some people, some wont care granted, some are going to stop sharing out of principle, some will stop because now they can make money selling them, why share them, some will stop sharing because they see their rooms being all modded up and reSold. Lottsa reasons. BUT                  WE                        WILL                           SEE!

Building is alot more than original pixels? Thats your opinion, how would you know really if you dont have tha time or cant be bothered to create an original build and just D/L other builds and mess with them. Its different.........try eet...maybe you have and obviously then you would know. Ah guess eets like Blender...sure ya can D/L a tonne of props already made by peeps put them all together, add your own lighting, render eet and WOOOOOOOOW looks AMAZIEBALLZ.......im guessing building eet all yaself would be far more rewarding, alot harder and take waaaaaay longer. But again waaaaaaaaaaaaay mooooooore rewaaaaaaarding!!

Yips.....gets out her degreaser....spray spray!

Actually, I do know...I built old-school in this place with the original editor and the original props and prims when you had to find creative ways to bend the limited stuff that we had into words or other cool stuff. We also basically had two tiny apartments and one matchbox sized balcony to build entire clubs on...you could fit 20 original Blue Notes into one of the aircraft hanger sized clubs that you see nowadays. (See attached.) When my place got nuked in one of the later updates, my real life had changed where I didn't have the time to devote to rebuilding an original place from the ground up, and if I had, I would have started to make use of props and cool ideas built by others to save time and energy and create a cool space anyway, and I would have personally thanked every single creator that was a part of my room.

Because that's the thing I don't think YOU  grasp, Allie...a good room is WAY more than the sum of it's parts...talk to other old schoolers around here like Adara, xCandy and Dee, Xanar, StelioKontos, Lynibree and Lunastella (there are many others out there who know)...they came to my place and loved it because it was a well run, calm chill spot that had a nice laid back FEELING built into it. Yes, I have not run that place in a LONG time, to my regret, and we never got the numbers that people shoot for now. But I had clients that were fucking LOYAL, and I earned that by the quality of the space, not the source of the build.

You have the time to build from the ground up. I hope you appreciate your blessings. You like the challenge and get your reward from pushing and growing your skills. That's awesome. I would love to have both of those luxuries, and I currently don't. I HAVE built original objects, that are going into some projects that I hope to release soon. (And yes, I CAN build a fucking doorknob...my point was taking cool design elements from others and incorporating or drawing inspiration from them like any other real designer can and should.) At the end of the day, my whole argument has been let those of us who use shared stuff in good ways do our thing, and those who want to get any kind of support for what they've done, for whatever reason, not be vilified for it.

Because if you feel that your way of doing things is the only pure and noble calling, and anybody else working for any other purpose than raw original creation is somehow less, or invalid, there is a word for that. It's called ARROGANCE.

And THAT's fucking greeeeaaasy....

Laz

 

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On 8/7/2020 at 7:12 AM, Derai said:

Stupid question maybe. And forgive me if this was explained somewhere. 
But about the Donation functionality. 
 

What’s in it for 3DX or SGD?

I mean they don’t get the donations, they’re basically allowing Users to profit from their game.

So what’s in it for them? Not sure I’m wording this right. 
Just feels odd that they’re letting players earn money basically with Their content. 
And get nothing in return. 
Know what I mean?

Apple would take 30% of the profit 😛

 

I think not much will change. Sure some rooms will have a patreon link entered but if they spam their local to much with PLEASE DONATE YOUR FAVORITE SEX or PARTY ROOM people will start looking for another place with less annoying commercials ^^
 

Even before the recent change some tried to charge others for rooms. If you want to pay real money for a great room - do it. If not, take one of the many free rooms available around. 

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auto correction typo fixed: pattern -> patreon (thanks iOS)
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19 minutes ago, chloe said:

Apple would take 30% of the profit 😛

 

I think not much will change. Sure some rooms will have a pattern link entered but if they spam their local to much with PLEASE DONATE YOUR FAVORITE SEX or PARTY ROOM people will start looking for another place with less annoying commercials ^^
 

Even before the recent change some tried to charge others for rooms. If you want to pay real money for a great room - do it. If not, take one of the many free rooms available around. 

Per the rules that were dropped at the beginning of all this, the only advertising that can be done for donations was within Local in that specific room. I think it was already said that Gizmo and company are just facilitating donations for hosts, but not taking any kind of cut. Sure, kind of a bizarre biz move from their standpoint, but if they're doing it to build goodwill after all of the assorted server crap, I'll take that olive branch...

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