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Third gender option for our avatars (Poll)


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Transgender avatars  

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  1. 1. Do you agree that 3DXChat needs transgender avatars?



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10 minutes ago, Derai said:

Apologies to @Xizl for the derail. 

To be honest I myself took a big part in it.

And... It's kind of related to the topic. 

Because some people tend to use their rl views on the human gender (often a very wrong views) as an argument about how things should be in game. Like these proposals about mtf transgender avis be based on male body for example. So I don't agree that this discussion really unrelated.

But yes... Better stop it. I hope at some point Gizmo and Lisa will read the discuss opened in this thread and will take one or another decision. 

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Bicycles... really... Bicycles...

Take your borderline TERF garbage somewhere else. 

16 minutes ago, GaborX said:

 

  • Second, the avatar creator could be completely free, in that you could freely pair your body type (Male or Female) with your genital (penis or vagina). It could even be a character editor option where you can freely switch between them, or at least genitals. The game could also handle changes better, not forcing a penis/strap-on on women if they don't want it, but simply disabling the poses that would otherwise need them.

 

I like this. Its pretty much what I suggested. A character editor option... that way nobody has to spend 10k on changing it 

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this is not a claim but a right that affects the sensitivity of a person and as a woman very important to me and as a woman i only ask that you respect mine and all those women who want to be 100% woman , i still don't understand who thinks it's just a game , it's not just a game , we are people with our frailties and our fantasies and asking for respect as a woman is not a battle for nothing but demanding respect and not being considered something that can change only for the pleasure of who wants a surrogate woman with a cock . i want and i am 100% woman and i don't care who thinks differently from me , i am worth and i want to be myself not something that i am not

my native language is not english but i hope you understand what i want and what i ask ... respect

 

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15 minutes ago, YenneferVengerberg said:

this is not a claim but a right that affects the sensitivity of a person and as a woman very important to me and as a woman i only ask that you respect mine and all those women who want to be 100% woman , i still don't understand who thinks it's just a game , it's not just a game , we are people with our frailties and our fantasies and asking for respect as a woman is not a battle for nothing but demanding respect and not being considered something that can change only for the pleasure of who wants a surrogate woman with a cock . i want and i am 100% woman and i don't care who thinks differently from me , i am worth and i want to be myself not something that i am not

my native language is not english but i hope you understand what i want and what i ask ... respect

You get what you give.
Respect those that want the same as you. To exist.
To exist without having to Justify their existence every step of the way.
Them being their way, does not take anything away from you. Respect their choice, and let them be what they are.
They have the same right as you do, to Be.
It's that simple.
 

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3 hours ago, Xizl said:

To be honest I myself took a big part in it.

And... It's kind of related to the topic. 

Because some people tend to use their rl views on the human gender (often a very wrong views) as an argument about how things should be in game. Like these proposals about mtf transgender avis be based on male body for example. So I don't agree that this discussion really unrelated.

But yes... Better stop it. I hope at some point Gizmo and Lisa will read the discuss opened in this thread and will take one or another decision. 

Please everyone, bear in mind: In other nations, cultures and languages there may be no such difference between sex and gender as it may be in the english language and if you are not familiar with the gender studies or never followed this topic in any way it is something very unusual to hear about.

This whole topic is highly debatable with different opinions on this topic, and there is no right or wrong opinion/view. 

For example in the German language there is no such difference with sex and gender. I have seen the term social sex now but this whole topic
is not really a big thing here, we now use three sexes male/female/diverse that's all. If you say I identify as x the reaction will most likely be someone shrugging telling you that this is your personal thing like what religion you are believing in. 

There is no big discussion about the idea of gender as something to describe as what you identify as going on either. 
 

To topic, a fully customizable avatar without a hard choice between male/female would be quite interesting for sure... this would give a lot of options into our hand, from a technical standpoint this is something you would put in as a concept from the first moment of the development. This is nothing you would put into a established system. You would need to change the whole system, from character creation, clothing, poses and so on and that is only the frontend of the game, the backend of the game would need to change too. 

As much as I like the idea behind this, this is nothing you will see in this game. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Chikan said:

and what 3rd gender would that be?! Futa?! C'mon! We already got hudrets of rude futas who are played by insecure guys because that's their only chance to get closer to woman. Anything supporting futa communicy (which is already huge) is big "no, no!" and should be, always!

And there are hundreds of rude woman or man in the game too and now what? And that they are played by insecure guys is something you assume without any proof. Why is the sex/gender (for me it is the same, language is a bitch) of the person who is controlling the avatar even important? Does it change anything?

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43 minutes ago, CTEPBA said:

Honestly, I’m already tired of arguing here with the guys about these avatars. Everyone has their own opinion and view on this gender difference, and each is digging to prove that it is HIS OPINION that IS RIGHT.
I will repeat for the umpteenth time, THREE gender at least in this game is REQUIRED. After losing here actively for several years with people from different countries with different mentality and orientations, I had my own opinion.
The reasons:
1. The gender of each character in this game must be full. A man must be a man, woman-woman, trans-trancse. Without the ability to mix on the fly the sexual characteristics of other sexes, and the use of inappropriate postures, without discrediting their affiliation, as is sometimes done here.
2. The ability to play with the female gender with included male signs constantly lead to the fact that this character is used for selfish purposes. Deceiving partners, jokes, imposing their unconventional tastes and fantasies on people when they don’t need it at all.
3. Other, even weaker porn projects have long been using correct sex separation. Where everyone occupies their own niche, their poses, their settings, the perception of gender by society.

We do not have a real woman in the game as such, we have a whole springboard for all perversions and ridiculous fantasies created to please male players.

i share every letter of every word and phrase ... thank you very much ❤️

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30 minutes ago, CTEPBA said:

2. The ability to play with the female gender with included male signs constantly lead to the fact that this character is used for selfish purposes. Deceiving partners, jokes, imposing their unconventional tastes and fantasies on people when they don’t need it at all.

All this stuff can happen while interacting with any avi. It's about person, not about avatar. And if we talk about "deceiving partners", I believe there are much more deceivers who play as a full females, claiming that they are biologic females irl while many are not. 

34 minutes ago, CTEPBA said:

3. Other, even weaker porn projects have long been using correct sex separation. Where everyone occupies their own niche, their poses, their settings, the perception of gender by society.

By which society? 

35 minutes ago, CTEPBA said:

We do not have a real woman in the game as such, we have a whole springboard for all perversions and ridiculous fantasies created to please male players.

So woman with a cock is a perversion and ridiculous fantasy according to your views, right?  

And btw I agree that we should have separate gender/genders for transgender avatars (that was the very reason of creating this thread). Or the ability to lock genitalia in character editor, without game adding cock to regular woman avi in the middle of the sex or cutting off transgender woman's cock because someone proposed vaginal pose. 

I just don't understand why you feel entitled to decide for others what is "perception of gender by society", what is "unconventional tastes and fantasies" and what is "ridiculous fantasies" as if society you live in and your perception of human sexuality and culture is an absolute and final truth.

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1 hour ago, Chikan said:

and what 3rd gender would that be?! Futa?! C'mon! We already got hudrets of rude futas who are played by insecure guys because that's their only chance to get closer to woman. Anything supporting futa communicy (which is already huge) is big "no, no!" and should be, always!

You could just read the first message in the thread (at least) instead of asking these questions. I believe I articulate my thoughts clearly. But I guess you don't really look to understand anything, just feel a strong need to express your bigoted opinion. 

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5 hours ago, GaborX said:

Technically speaking, this could be solved in two ways during avatar creation (in my opinion):

  • First, the ability to choose between four options: Male, Female, Transgender Male (a male body with a vagina) and Transgender Female (a female body with a penis). The advantage here is that everyone could choose and stick to the option they identify as, or prefer (or simply want to role-play as). However, the disadvantage is that after you create your avatar, you are stuck with that option/genital, with no chance to ever change it freely.
  • Second, the avatar creator could be completely free, in that you could freely pair your body type (Male or Female) with your genital (penis or vagina). It could even be a character editor option where you can freely switch between them, or at least genitals. The game could also handle changes better, not forcing a penis/strap-on on women if they don't want it, but simply disabling the poses that would otherwise need them.

Also, profiles should clearly state what the user is currently, differentiating between males, females and trans people so that no one gets a surprise when the pants come off (not everyone clarifies this on their profiles).

So I think the problem can be approached from two directions: either by what options the avatar creation process offers, and/or what in-game options you have to edit your avatar. Also, the handling of different poses by the game is important, too. I have absolutely no problem with females with dicks, either on purpose or by accident (meaning I'm not put off if it accidentally appears during a sex pose, if anything it can be just awkwardly funny), but I agree that the game should handle these differences better.

yet another example of a male , he says a right thing but then votes against , i understand the important thing he can have his pleasure that then a woman says that she doesn't want this thing , he doesn't care male , he must have his pleasure and that's it , the woman and the his doll something he must use as he wishes , everything else does not count , only him

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7 minutes ago, YenneferVengerberg said:

the nature of man is that of being selfish and thinking only of one's pleasure

Yeah this thread is not full enough with transphobic shit, lets add some misandry.

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2 minutes ago, Derai said:

You're right... These kinds of threads really do bring out the worst in people huh?

Yeah, it's often this way.

But we should not stop ourselves from discussing these subjects or asking for stuff we need, just because some bigots feel obliged to spread their hatred when they see such a topic, right? 

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8 minutes ago, Xizl said:

Yeah, it's often this way.

But we should not stop ourselves from discussing these subjects or asking for stuff we need, just because some bigots feel obliged to spread their hatred when they see such a topic, right? 

To right, but we should also not stoop to the level some of them go to.
Fight the ideas, not the person.
I respect their views, as long as they respect mine.
Free Speech is not a free ticket to hatred. Never is, never will be.

The problem is that most of them, are afraid.
Afraid of losing something they can't lose.
Or raised with a learned bias for certain things.
One poster here said it, to keep it in mind that some cultures and nations simply do not -have- the concepts that are common for others.

It makes it hard though.

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*sigh*

As much as I hate arguing and debating its important. And we should never shy away from challenging people or even shy away from being challenged. We don't have to convince bigots of being bigots, they are already a lost cause. By challenging them in a public we may be able to sway people watching... the lurkers (Looks right at you! Yes you! The person who read this whole thread and didn't post! I know who you are!) who have not yet decided on a solid opinion and show them a just and good alternative to bigotry 

 

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39 minutes ago, Xizl said:

Yeah this thread is not full enough with transphobic shit, lets add some misandry.

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If you're a real transgender you don't have to offended. People talking about average loser dudes who cant get a girl even in virtual game because of their insecurities and faking themselves as lesbian or transgender. I find this disrespectful to small percentage of real LGBT community in this game. I've respect to LGBT and I don't have any problem with seeing chicks with dicks or men with pussy.

 

How it's tansphobic when they're not real transgenders? This is what almost all futa/femboys look like.

 

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1 minute ago, Derai said:

I respect their views, as long as they respect mine.

If their "view" is straight up hatred towards people just based on people's gender/sex/sexual orientation/kinks – I do not respect it. Though I believe the ones who are full of hate do not really respect opinions that are contradict their views anyway.

2 minutes ago, Beryl said:

*sigh*

As much as I hate arguing and debating its important. And we should never shy away from challenging people or even shy away from being challenged. We don't have to convince bigots of being bigots, they are already a lost cause. By challenging them in a public we may be able to sway people watching... the lurkers (Looks right at you! Yes you! The person who read this whole thread and didn't post! I know who you are!) who have not yet decided on a solid opinion and show them a just and good alternative to bigotry 

Very true! 

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i say what i think and are said to be bigoted , hate do not know who , and more , to me it seems that here in not respected my thoughts and not the other

everyone has the right to think as they want , but for some people I don't have this right , maybe they feel touched because i say a truth that you don't want to recognize , it is easier to give shit and despise and not talk

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1 minute ago, Beryl said:

*sigh*

As much as I hate arguing and debating its important. And we should never shy away from challenging people or even shy away from being challenged. We don't have to convince bigots of being bigots, they are already a lost cause. By challenging them in a public we may be able to sway people watching... the lurkers (Looks right at you! Yes you! The person who read this whole thread and didn't post! I know who you are!) who have not yet decided on a solid opinion and show them a just and good alternative to bigotry 

 

Exactly THIS.
This is why I tend to always hammer home my points, and get wordy at times.
I don't type my responses solely for the one I'm debating.
The fact that I always debate in Public (And I know some people are sick and tired of me doing that at times) Is that I try to educate, and reveal things during the debate or discussion.
Not for the one I'm debating, but for those on the sidelines. Let them reach their own conclusions.
I actually don't mind if they don't agree with me, as long as they -think- about it.
Get people to think, to reason, to wonder. That is how change is made.

Aaaand I got caught up in a ramble again... Sorry.

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1 minute ago, cpaadpro said:

How it's tansphobic when they're not real transgenders?

1. Tell me please what exactly do you mean by "real transgender".

2. Why do you think that their words are targeted only towards "not real transgenders"?

4 minutes ago, cpaadpro said:

This is what almost all futa/femboys look like.

Did you gather any reliable statistics? Like... Gather photos of... well, say at least 100+ people who identify themselves as a femboy/futa in game?  I highly doubt you did.

You just made this conclusion without any real data, simply because you think so, are you? 

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1 hour ago, Xizl said:

1. All this stuff can happen while interacting with any avi. It's about person, not about avatar. And if we talk about "deceiving partners", I believe there are much more deceivers who play as a full females, claiming that they are biologic females irl while many are not. 

2. By which society? 

3. So woman with a cock is a perversion and ridiculous fantasy according to your views, right?  

1. I even insist on the statement that most heterosexual men playing now on female characters once again thought it would be worthwhile to get involved in this adventure if their female characters did not have penises, or not.
2. In the society that has developed now in the game. Players who surround you, from different countries, with different thinking and perceptions. Do not try to protect yourself or others from society. When you play a single player game with yourself, then you can remove all these conventions and speak only for yourself.
3. Another attempt to get to the words that are already obvious. If for you a woman with a member is the norm, do not impose your opinion on others.

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9 minutes ago, Xizl said:

1. Tell me please what exactly do you mean by "real transgender".

2. Why do you think that their words are targeted only towards "not real transgenders"?

Did you gather any reliable statistics? Like... Gather photos of... well, say at least 100+ people who identify themselves as a femboy/futa in game?  I highly doubt you did.

You just made this conclusion without any real data, simply because you think so, are you? 

You know nothing do you? Think that I've lots of similar confessions from dozens of futa/femboy players. It must be sad if you thought opposite of this. 

 

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2 minutes ago, CTEPBA said:

1. I even insist on the statement that most heterosexual men playing now on female characters once again thought it would be worthwhile to get involved in this adventure if their female characters did not have penises, or not.

Isn't it good for you and other heteronormative people? I mean in this case you can just see a female avi with cock and don't bother engaging in any interaction with them. Easy way to protect yourself from unwanted interactions, no? I don't understand where is problem here.

4 minutes ago, CTEPBA said:

2. In the society that has developed now in the game. Players who surround you, from different countries, with different thinking and perceptions. Do not try to protect yourself or others from society. When you play a single player game with yourself, then you can remove all these conventions and speak only for yourself.

Right! I am speaking for myself! 

And what makes you feel entitled to speak for the whole society? 

My experience of interacting with 3dxchat's society probably differs from yours a lot. And for example, Derai's experience also differs from yours or mine. Because no one really interacts with a WHOLE society, everyone mostly interacts with their own circle of people, that can with time include new people, but people usually not letting everyone in this circle. And what you see as a 3dxchat's society can be just your own view on this society, based on your personal experience.

9 minutes ago, CTEPBA said:

Another attempt to get to the words that are already obvious.

These words "obvious" for you, not in general. 

10 minutes ago, CTEPBA said:

do not impose your opinion on others.

I can tell you the same. 

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