Third gender option for our avatars (Poll)

[Beryl]

3 minutes ago, BlueMooon said:

Where exactly will the options end?  Just click the button to add the cock if you're a woman and feel like you need it to make you feel like a whole pixel person. 

Your right. Just added options on options is not realistic. The problem being discusses is it makes cis women uncomfortable when poses add a penis to them against their will and it make trans women and non-binary people uncomfortable when they loose their penis when certain poses are selected

Edited July 1, 2020 by Beryl

[Jule1988]

11 hours ago, pretty said:

11 hours ago, pretty said:

I re-typed it...  changed it to say "hermaphrodite (futa)" avatars, because that's what they are... avatars for men to play as women, "hermaphrodites (futas), sissies, etc.

 

1. Futa/nari is 100% Fantasy  . It comes from Japan/Hentai/Manga Stuff its nothing real, if people call themself Futa can mean stuff like . A Female person  with Pussy and Dick, to the Same time ,or a Female person that can let grew out of her clit a dick. In Reallife exist NO Futanari.

2. A Hermaphrodite /Intersexual person is no Futa, also doesnt come close. Its the 3rd Sex , people get borned like this 1 of85.000 Average , in Germany it called : Diversity if people want it /are like this (on the ID card).

3. If people call themself *TS= Transsexual * and Play a Girl with Dick, you can be sure they are NOT Transsexual or know what that m eans. Usualy transsexual Persons , want to go the full away remove the clit/dick however . If people want to stay like this , its Transgender.

It exist Post OP Transsexual (if they did the Surgevy allready), Pre Op Transsexual if they still have it

 

Think they dont need to Add a 3rd Avatar , they could Make it just Easier.

Just that you have in the Character Editor a Option to Set the Dick/Strapon Off or On and than the Positions  with dick/strapon are not more useable for you , if its Off.

Would make things easier, i think.

 

 

Edited July 1, 2020 by Jule1988

[Beryl]

2 minutes ago, Jule1988 said:

1. Futa/nari is 100% Fantasy  . It comes from Japan/Hentai/Manga Stuff its nothing real, if people call themself Futa can mean stuff like . A Female person  with Pussy and Dick, to the Same time ,or a Female person that can let grew out of her clit a dick. In Reallife exist NO Futanari.

2. A Hermaphrodite /Intersexual person is no Futa, also doesnt come close. Its the 3rd Sex , people get borned like this 1 of85.000 Average , in Germany it called : Diversity if people want it /are like this (on the ID card).

3. If people call themself *TS= Transsexual * and Play a Girl with Dick, you can be sure they are NOT Transsexual or know what that m eans. Usualy transsexual Persons , want to go the full away remove the clit/dick however . If people want to stay like this , its Transgender.

It exist Post OP Transsexual (if they did the Surgevy allready), Pre Op Transsexual if they still have it

 

Think they dont need to Add a 3rd Avatar , they could Make it just Easier.

Just that you have in the Character Editor a Option to Set the Dick/Strapon Off or On and than the Positions  with dick/strapon are not more useable for you , if its Off.

Would make things easier, i think.

 

 

That is very close to what I suggested earlier in the thread

[BlueMooon]

How about we start with a completely blank headless body, nothing on it and all faces, hairstyles and clothes are accessible to everybody?  wouldn't that solve the problem?  

[Beryl]

1 minute ago, BlueMooon said:

How about we start with a completely blank headless body, nothing on it and all faces, hairstyles and clothes are accessible to everybody?  wouldn't that solve the problem?  

Yeah... I would like that. Its very 'slash and burn' though. It would require a lot of very drastic changes and a lot of work

[BlueMooon]

Just now, Beryl said:

Yeah... I would like that. Its very 'slash and burn' though. It would require a lot of very drastic changes and a lot of work

Maybe so but at least everybody would be happy

[Beryl]

Just now, BlueMooon said:

Maybe so but at least everybody would be happy

Always going to be unhappy people... The suggestion I said earlier solves the unwanted penis and the unwanted removal of a penis along with giving trans men the option of having a vagina. IMO that would make the most people happy and require the least amount of work

[pretty]

4 hours ago, Jule1988 said:

1. Futa/nari is 100% Fantasy  . It comes from Japan/Hentai/Manga Stuff its nothing real, if people call themself Futa can mean stuff like . A Female person  with Pussy and Dick, to the Same time ,or a Female person that can let grew out of her clit a dick. In Reallife exist NO Futanari.

2. A Hermaphrodite /Intersexual person is no Futa, also doesnt come close. Its the 3rd Sex , people get borned like this 1 of85.000 Average , in Germany it called : Diversity if people want it /are like this (on the ID card).

3. If people call themself *TS= Transsexual * and Play a Girl with Dick, you can be sure they are NOT Transsexual or know what that m eans. Usualy transsexual Persons , want to go the full away remove the clit/dick however . If people want to stay like this , its Transgender.

It exist Post OP Transsexual (if they did the Surgevy allready), Pre Op Transsexual if they still have it

 

Think they dont need to Add a 3rd Avatar , they could Make it just Easier.

Just that you have in the Character Editor a Option to Set the Dick/Strapon Off or On and than the Positions  with dick/strapon are not more useable for you , if its Off.

Would make things easier, i think.

 

 

Futanari IS the Japanese word for "hermaphrodite".  You are confusing its use in anime as proof that the word is a made-up anime term.  You are wrong, and you are obviously not educated enough on this subject, nor any other, to waste time on discussing it with you.

[Jule1988]

3 minutes ago, pretty said:

Futanari IS the Japanese word for "hermaphrodite".  You are confusing its use in anime as proof that the word is a made-up anime term.  You are wrong, and you are obviously not educated enough on this subject, nor any other, to waste time on discussing it with you.

*headshake*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futanari

A Hermaphrodite/Intersexual Person is no Futanar if you show it biological.

 

[AnnLis]

19 minutes ago, Jule1988 said:

*headshake*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futanari

A Hermaphrodite/Intersexual Person is no Futanar if you show it biological.

 

Futanari (ふたなり, seldom: 二形, 双形, literally: dual form; 二成, 双成, literally: [to be of] two kinds) is the Japanese word for hermaphroditism, which is also used in a broader sense for androgyny.

That is the first sentence from the wiki page you posted which says just that. 

[Jule1988]

12 minutes ago, AnnLis said:

Futanari (ふたなり, seldom: 二形, 双形, literally: dual form; 二成, 双成, literally: [to be of] two kinds) is the Japanese word for hermaphroditism, which is also used in a broader sense for androgyny.

That is the first sentence from the wiki page you posted which says just that. 

Hermaphrodite called here : Intersex/ual  (europe)

And here its a Body/Gen defect you could tell it like this , people have a gender that is not Male/Female its something between that , also  it will be mostly changed from doctor/if  parents wish it , mostly to female.

If you google it by Google Picture , people looks not Male/female , its something between that.

Just if you type in futanari japan in , it come any porn/wrong/sex stuff out.

 

its by Wikipedia bad explain ecause also Androgyny exist in different kind /ways .

Edited July 1, 2020 by Jule1988

[Xaufin]

A pre-transition trans female would be a male avatar who identifies as female. A transitioned trans female would be a female avatar who identifies as female.

In other words, we already have transgender avatars. 

[Xizi]

6 minutes ago, Xaufin said:

A pre-transition trans female would be a male avatar who identifies as female. A transitioned trans female would be a female avatar who identifies as female.

In other words, we already have transgender avatars. 

Do you think transgenders, even the ones who did not start a transition irl, want to play as a male avatars? Do you think that non-binary biologic males all want to play as male avi or regular female avi? Do you think most of sissies, cds, femboys want themselves a male model?  It's a game, not a real life. No one obliged to make their body look like their rl body. Why would someone limit themselves in the game with same physical limitations as irl?

Obviously, third gender option will not be used only by rl transgenders. I called it "transgender" because I don't know how else to call this avatar. Futa? Nah, futa a hermaphrodite and has a pussy. Shemale? It's a word from porn and it's offensive to some real transgenders. 

It's OBVIOUS that 3dxchat community has a large demand on such an avatar. And I am saying it not even based my words on results of this poll, it has very little sample so far to make any reliable conclusions. I am saying it based on how popular futa rooms are (and most "futas" here actually people who play as a girl with a cock and without pussy, not really a futas) and how many people you can see even in regular rooms who are using female avi with a cock, who have in their profiles that they are TG/futa/sissy/femboi/cd/shemale.

 

[Xaufin]

Never mind. I misunderstood the thread. It does make sense to keep futas and women separate.

Edited March 28, 2022 by Xaufin

[Xizi]

6 minutes ago, Xaufin said:

Never mind. I misunderstood the thread. It does make sense to keep futas and women separate.

But as some have pointed out, futanari is not directly related to transgenderism, but an independent fantasy for some. I have no idea what the statistics are of the playerbase. That might be a useful poll (disable the ability to see who gave which answer, to preserve anonymity)

Question #1: Do you play as a futa? If so, why?

• No, I don't.
• Yes, as fantasy sex creature, a la hentai
• Yes, as a trans female
• Yes, as... etc

Question #2: Do you enjoy futa partners? If so, why or under what circumstances?

• No, I don't
• Yes, if they're futa
• Yes, if they're trans
• Yes to all

And what this poll will give us? What data will it provide and how this data can be used?

You see... People here mostly don't know what futa originally means. People here call "futa" any female with a cock. Transgender? Futa. Male/girl playing as a girl with cock and balls and without pussy? Futa. Switching from pussy to cock? Futa too (in this case kinda rightfully). 

My poll provides some useful data.

The ones who voted yes is the ones who want a transgender avatar. That's the point. It does not mean that person behind the screen is exactly a transgender. It does not matter why exactly they want the transgender avatar – because they want to represent their rl body-type, because it's their fantasy like for some CDs and sissies, non-binary people or maybe TGs who did not start transition irl or because it's just some guy/girl for who it's fun to play this way. The fact is – they want this body type they vote yes. Or they want others – be it their friends or just current/potential sex partners have such a body.

The ones who vote no is the ones who either play as a hermaphrodite, or some kind of magical creature that can summon the cock. Or the ones that likes such a partners. Or the ones who just think that spending time on making a TG avi is a waste of time.

Yes, maybe my poll is not ideal, but it provides clear and useful data. Yes or no. Want to does not. 

[Snick]

1 minute ago, Xizl said:

You see... People here mostly don't know what futa originally means. People here call "futa" any female with a cock. Transgender? Futa. Male/girl playing as a girl with cock and balls and without pussy? Futa. Switching from pussy to cock? Futa too (in this case kinda rightfully).

Isn't that the truth

I get called Futa all the time, drives me insane

[Beryl]

Arggg!

Its a super simple concept! Why are people so insistent on over complicating the matter! 

People who use the penis attachment on a female avatar

• Trans women pre or post transition it literally doesn't matter, a trans woman is a trans woman or a woman, regardless of sex,
• Men and woman who's fantasy it is to be a woman with a penis 
• People who's gender doesn't match their physical sex completely and do not strictly fall under 'trans' (<-- That's me!)

The real debate of the matter is two of those groups would like something more then they way it is currently. Not different... just more. Nobody is suggesting taking away anything from anyone so group 2 would be fine to continue living out their fantasy. 

We are arguing semantics here. Trans, Futa, herm, femboy... whatever you want to call yourself. As long as your not being a ass and not deliberately offending people and are open to being corrected if you are being offensive you can call yourself as you wish.

There is a suggestion that can solve this for everyone at very little cost

When making a character you could have the option to pick your genitalia seperatly from your avatars sex. Male avatars would be able to have vaginas and female avatars could have penises and they would be stuck... no pose can remove them or change them... Those poses would simply be unavailable for selection. A cis woman who has not chosen to have a penis would also not have a penis added to them via poses because to access them you would have to have the penis equipped as it works now, with the exception of if it is not equipped said poses are also unavailable for selection

The poll is fine the way it is. Its clear and simple. Would the game be better with proper transgender avatars would be a better wording. But its obvious what it means and you would be silly to not see it

[Ghost Girl]

you can't define transgender in a third option because trans is more than one gender. Transmales exist along with transwomen and nonbinary and intersex. As much as I would love for trans representation the truth is, a trans girl is just a girl with male parts and a trans male is just a male born with female parts. So to do my trans sisters and brothers justice would be to be more inclusive. Accept trans women as women and trans men as just men. 

If there should be a third option it would be better to make a futa option and while I don't mind it, I would never want to restrict the penis option for women. 
So I can't back that idea either. 

The best idea I can think of would be a penis and vagina option for male and female avatars. In this scenario a trans woman could decide to have a penis or vagina and a trans male could also have the same option. So just leaving the two, female and male we could change the game to let the user decide what sex organs they would like. 

It makes sense to me currently, but I have had a few whiskey and cokes. So I will revisit this in the AM. 

[Snick]

Just now, Ghost Girl said:

you can't define transgender in a third option because trans is more than one gender. Transmales exist along with transwomen and nonbinary and intersex. As much as I would love for trans representation the truth is, a trans girl is just a girl with male parts and a trans male is just a male born with female parts. So to do my trans sisters and brothers justice would be to be more inclusive. Accept trans women as women and trans men as just men. 

I've held to we need FtM too if we did Trans avi's... i think Bad had the best idea of just allowing to lock positions and gentilla

[Beryl]

2 minutes ago, Ghost Girl said:

you can't define transgender in a third option because trans is more than one gender. Transmales exist along with transwomen and nonbinary and intersex. As much as I would love for trans representation the truth is, a trans girl is just a girl with male parts and a trans male is just a male born with female parts. So to do my trans sisters and brothers justice would be to be more inclusive. Accept trans women as women and trans men as just men. 

If there should be a third option it would be better to make a futa option and while I don't mind it, I would never want to restrict the penis option for women. 
So I can't back that idea either. 

The best idea I can think of would be a penis and vagina option for male and female avatars. In this scenario a trans woman could decide to have a penis or vagina and a trans male could also have the same option. So just leaving the two, female and male we could change the game to let the user decide what sex organs they would like. 

It makes sense to me currently, but I have had a few whiskey and cokes. So I will revisit this in the AM. 

Thank you! 

Also some trans people don't see their penis as a male part and would like to keep it after they transition, and i'm sure they are trans-men out their who feel the same about their vaginas

The only reason we mark penis's as masculine gendered is because we see them on men most of the time, if you removed any cultural projection there no real reason to assume a penis is masculine gendered.
But I digress 

Thanks for this post!!

[Xizi]

3 minutes ago, Ghost Girl said:

you can't define transgender in a third option because trans is more than one gender. Transmales exist along with transwomen and nonbinary and intersex. As much as I would love for trans representation the truth is, a trans girl is just a girl with male parts and a trans male is just a male born with female parts. So to do my trans sisters and brothers justice would be to be more inclusive. Accept trans women as women and trans men as just men. 

That's true. 

This third gender doesn't have to be called "transgender". I just don't know how to call it. Futa? No, it's not really a futa. Shemale? Some will find it offensive. Tgirl maybe? I guess some will not like it as well... 

And about FtM transgenders... I never seen on this forum or in game anyone asking to make such an avi type for themselves. I've seen people saying stuff like "there is FtM transgenders as well so we need such an avatars", yes. But I never seen anyone saying that they are FtM transgenders themselves and they want an avatar option of male with vagina for themselves. I have a feeling like people asking for this feature out of desire for equality, not for themselves. I am not sure that there is a real demand. If such a demand really exists and FtM transgenders play 3dxchat and want to have an option of male body with a vagina – yes, sure why not. But if people asking it not because of real demand, but only for the matter of equality... Better not waste devs' time on something that does not have a demand. I've seen several girls who like to play as male avis here but never heard them wanting to have a pussy option for male avi. But I may be wrong, it's just my personal experience. 

[Beryl]

1 minute ago, Xizl said:

That's true. 

This third gender doesn't have to be called "transgender". I just don't know how to call it. Futa? No, it's not really a futa. Shemale? Some will find it offensive. Tgirl maybe? I guess some will not like it as well... 

And about FtM transgenders... I never seen on this forum or in game anyone asking to make such an avi type for themselves. I've seen people saying stuff like "there is FtM transgenders as well so we need such an avatars", yes. But I never seen anyone saying that they are FtM transgenders themselves and they want an avatar option of male with vagina for themselves. I have a feeling like people asking for this feature out of desire for equality, not for themselves. I am not sure that there is a real demand. If such a demand really exists and FtM transgenders play 3dxchat and want to have an option of male body with a vagina – yes, sure why not. But if people asking it not because of real demand, but only for the matter of equality... Better not waste devs' time on something that does not have a demand. I've seen several girls who like to play as male avis here but never heard them wanting to have a pussy option for male avi. But I may be wrong, it's just my personal experience. 

I get what you mean. But those people defiantly exist even if they are not showing themselves.

And equality is a good thing! If people are suggesting it then that is good. It would only be a small thing to add as you are adding the penis for female avatars. You could do it all together in a single update

[Xizi]

11 minutes ago, Beryl said:

I get what you mean. But those people defiantly exist even if they are not showing themselves.

And equality is a good thing! If people are suggesting it then that is good. It would only be a small thing to add as you are adding the penis for female avatars. You could do it all together in a single update

Are you sure about it? And if the answer is yes, how much of them really exist in 3dx? I mean not just FtM transgenders. But FtM transgenders who want to play with a male avatar with a vagina? 

Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to fight your points from the humane/moral side of it. Giving every person ability to have the body they want is morally right and that would be beautiful.

But lets look at this problem from more pragmatic angle.

Adding vagina to male avi is not enough in this case. You have to bring this avi type poses. There is no receiving vaginal poses for men avis at this point. And I am sure if people will get such an avis they will ask for such a poses as well, no? Does it make sense to make such an avi without giving them poses? If it does... Alright.

If it does not and they need poses... Well, again, from a moral and humane point of view their needs should be satisfied even if it will be just a very few people. But business-wise it makes no sense, equality itself, without enough demand, does not bring money. Tell me honestly, do you believe that Lisa will make for example, let's say even 10-20 vaginal poses for just a few people? Do you understand how much critics she and SexGameDevil will get if they will spend time on creating these poses while this poses will be used just by a few people, probably less than 0.1%? 

Again, I am not trying to argue your points from a moral and humane point of view. You are right. Equality is great. But I am just trying to stay realistic. 

 

[Keksy]

Just make option for an avatar to switch nickname color from pink to green and option for male avatars to switch genetalies to a pussy as well LOL. So people will see the green nickname color and will realize things with no questions. Also admins may have gold nicknames hehe.

[Beryl]

 

32 minutes ago, Xizl said:

Are you sure about it? And if the answer is yes, how much of them really exist in 3dx? I mean not just FtM transgenders. But FtM transgenders who want to play with a male avatar with a vagina? 

Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to fight your points from the humane/moral side of it. Giving every person ability to have the body they want is morally right and that would be beautiful.

But lets look at this problem from more pragmatic angle.

Adding vagina to male avi is not enough in this case. You have to bring this avi type poses. There is no receiving vaginal poses for men avis at this point. And I am sure if people will get such an avis they will ask for such a poses as well, no? Does it make sense to make such an avi without giving them poses? If it does... Alright.

If it does not and they need poses... Well, again, from a moral and humane point of view their needs should be satisfied even if it will be just a very few people. But business-wise it makes no sense, equality itself, without enough demand, does not bring money. Tell me honestly, do you believe that Lisa will make for example, let's say even 10-20 vaginal poses for just a few people? Do you understand how much critics she and SexGameDevil will get if they will spend time on creating these poses while this poses will be used just by a few people, probably less than 0.1%? 

Again, I am not trying to argue your points from a moral and humane point of view. You are right. Equality is great. But I am just trying to stay realistic. 

 

I'm 90% sure because I know there are a lot more ftm trans people then people realise and I can extrapolate to 3dx also considering online communities like 3dx also tend to have more trans participants then real world communities for obvious reason. Trans people are made up of various groups including ftm and others would would like to be in a male body with some of them more then happy to keep their vagina.

Sure... demand might not be as high, but I do think it would be a good idea to to business wise if that is so important. I think of it this way, being more inclusive and being proud of being more inclusive is attractive to people in 2020. If 3dx is known as being open and inclusive to ftm trans people then it would not only attract ftm trans people to the service but also other non-binary, trans, gay, bi, lesbian and all sorts of other non hetero-normative people (That is a lot of people btw) who can now see that 3dx is serious about LGBT rights and inclusion. Now that I have established A potential business value...

The cost. The cost is small. I am suggesting is a vagina on a male model. Women who have the penis equipped already use the MF poses most of the time with no issue. And the bisexual poses (the ones where the man is taking anal) can very easily be slightly tweaked to be vaginal. (Most vaginal poses are basically anal poses anyway... just slightly tweaked) I really can't imagine it being that much work and like I said before, business wise, it would be worth the cost.

Final point. Ignoring morality in favour of better business is something that companies have been doing as justification to put down and discriminate against LGBT people for decades and decades. The fact of the matter is accepting LGBT people will not make business start to loose money, if anything it would make business boom as they now have access to wider markets and potential employees. 

Edited July 2, 2020 by Beryl