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23 minutes ago, York said:

100% for this. Would add a new dynamic to the game. 

I will fuck you for 24 gifts* (about USD 10,-), a very moderate rate on other worlds.
Once your wish is granted you will pay higher rates for worthwile escorts. I could have written 50 or 125 gifts also, these rates are not unusual on other worlds.

If you like to get financially milked you can already experience this in other worlds. Why change the fine virtual ecosystem of 3DXchat into a cess pool?

Now imagine they introduce xgold transfer and make it also possible just to buy stuff like poses, dresses, properties and furnishings and such. (By the way, the circles of xgold-transfer advocates and "more uses for xgold" advocates are almost congruent.) We are not even speaking of converting to subscription or a conversion of game money to real world money!
While not all women, or even female avatars, will turn out to be "real" sex workers, it will be enough to make it difficult for many men to get and stay in touch with women, who are not sex workers. This applies not only to men of the "colds are OK", "hru bb" and "animation click only" variety, but it will get even more expensive for these.

Be careful what you wish for!

I prefer the virtual world of 3DXchat, where you can act out sex worker fantasies without milking your (role-play) partners and enjoy the absence of "peer pressure" of "real" virtual sex workers, who are in it for the money, not fun and lust.

*No, I will not do that. It was just a rhetorical figure.

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With respect, I think you are fear-mongering and discounting the power of human agency. You believe that there will suddenly be mass exploitation occurring as if the same market forces of real life wouldn't naturally regulate what occurs on 3DX (i.e., you can write 125 gifts and I can tell you to take a hike as I have an independent mind and can discern the difference between abuse and just adding a playful element to an RP). I also take issue with your characterization that anyone being for this idea wants to be "financially milked." You can keep your judgment in check as you simultaneously keep your strawman fallacious arguing in check - a sex-based virtual world should also by its essence be virtually judgment free. Otherwise, what's the point? Again, it's not about exploitation, it's about just having a fun optional feature added, which will self-regulate, because no one is forced to partake. 

On the subject of making xgold more relevant to purchase a variety of things, I personally believe it would actually be beneficial to 3DX as a business and as a community for that type of system to replace the subscription entry model. Paywalls are barriers that are anti-growth. The only reason I decided to cross the paywall to try this was because my friend was strongly recommending this and there was the quarantine sale taking place. It is certainly turning tons of people away from ever trying this. Free entry with incentives to purchase game credits to develop your in-game experience is a model that would encourage growth. But anyway, that's outside the scope of this particular suggestion, which is very narrow in what it's asking.    

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1 hour ago, Erythrea said:

Now imagine they introduce xgold transfer and make it also possible just to buy stuff like poses, dresses, properties and furnishings and such. (By the way, the circles of xgold-transfer advocates and "more uses for xgold" advocates are almost congruent.) We are not even speaking of converting to subscription or a conversion of game money to real world money!

This. I am not afraid if they will make xgold transferable and will not make ANY further steps in the market direction. Yes, just making xgold transferable will be enough to increase the percentage of women/female avis who are selling sex services but... For me personally it's not going to be a problem. Though I can understand that for some people it may ruin their game experience to some degree. 

But. If they will take this step – there is a huge chance that game will continue taking steps in this direction. More and more people will be involved in this new economics, more and more will ask to give xgold more uses including services, shops with clothes, rooms and poses, premium accounts, whatever else. And devs may listen to them, which will lead to completely ruining unique for such type of games atmosphere of equality that 3dxchat currently have. And I do NOT want it to happen. 

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1 hour ago, York said:

On the subject of making xgold more relevant to purchase a variety of things, I personally believe it would actually be beneficial to 3DX as a business and as a community for that type of system to replace the subscription entry model.

Many people here exactly because they want a fair p2p system, not another "free" to play game where you are free to have a couple of poses, couple of outfits and very little customize options and to get a comfortable and wholesome game experience you need to pay for premium account that costs almost like a yearly subscription here and on top of it pay hundreds (if not thousands) of $ to buy all the poses/clothes/other stuff you want. 

And as a personal believe...

I personally believe that you and few other people here who asking devs to add market in game and to add more uses for xgold... You don't really care much about SexGameDevil's business. What you care first and foremost is your own joy, which is pretty natural and I don't see anything wrong with it. But you using this "good for business" argument to hide what you really want.

And what you really want is to feel privileged. You want to feel here the same way you were feeling in the other worlds you came from. You basically want the experience you already had, just with new and better graphics. You don't like to have same options like everyone here. You don't like the equality. You want to feel yourself above others. You want to have clothes/poses/haircuts that others don't have. Some of you ready to pay with money for it. Some by selling sex. Some by building and creating stuff. But one thing unites you all. You want to feel privileged and superior, you want to be above others. This is what drives you to write these forum posts and ask for shops and market, this desire to feel privileged in this virtual world, not the care about 3dxchat as a business. 

I may sound hostile towards your position. I am. I have a reason to. I know only TWO games of same genre (adult/sex themed MMO) with a subscription, where you can pay a fixed amount of money and get ALL content. 3dxchat and one another, which I will not name here. And I don't like the other one, because of reasons not connected to its pay model. So, if 3dxchat will become another "free" to play game or will just become market based it will ruin the experience for me a lot, and for many other people like me. And many of us will have nowhere else to go, because almost all other games of same genre have this "free" to play model. I love this place, at least I used to love it before the events of last 1.5 months. It become my online home, it's VERY rare thing for me to stay in some game for more than a couple of month and I am here already for 1.5+ years. And you and people like you, if you will achieve what you want, you will ruin this place for me and many other people here. For some you will ruin it just to some degree, for others you will ruin it completely. If you want market – you already have a selection of games with it, yet you want to make exactly this game market-based, the game that so many people love how it is. 

Though, I agree with you about one thing. 

Subscription based pay model really creates a barrier for new users, slowing the grow of the game significantly. But making game free to play is not the only way to destroy this barrier. Many p2p games have trial accounts. 3dxchat could make ones too.

For example:

One account per credit card. Limited to one week. Without ability to write in World/Local chats. Maybe limited only to basic locations, user room and room in which this user was directly invited. Maybe some poses limitations – don't know. 

Just to check the game.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, York said:

With respect, I think you are fear-mongering and discounting the power of human agency. [...]

The words you missed are: "Thank you for sharing your observations in other virtual worlds with in-game currency transfer and markets."

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2 hours ago, York said:

On the subject of making xgold more relevant to purchase a variety of things, I personally believe it would actually be beneficial to 3DX as a business and as a community for that type of system to replace the subscription entry model. Paywalls are barriers that are anti-growth. 

I like that we are all equal here in regards of what we can wear or the poses we can use. The fact we got a paywall might be keeping potential customers out, sure, but it also keep MINORS out. Wich is a VERY GOOD THING!

 

This was off topic.

 

On topic: If we get transfer, why would I ever bang for free again? especially since it would be way more discrete than todays "system" where you can actually see who demand gifts for sex (no judgement). Also, sex for gifts is a good way for a customer to get a hint about if it´s even worth paying for the pixels.

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I came from the time when there pay walls. I never played multiple games at once but I liked to go back and forth between three or four. I'm digressing.

I remember when the monthly subscriptions were dropping and what was once a self-regulated (mostly) community turned into every bored person on the internet coming in and disrupting the place. Global chat has always had trolls and veterans pining about the old days in a game's Global but then it turned angry and combative. Where once we had trust of other people due to things like reputation, all that went away from the sheer volume of .. I don't know what to call those people but many were transients. All I know is they didn't invest so they didn't have to care. The change was visible and immediate. Microtransactions may not give you a huge advantage like they do in newer games by simple nature of no one here is powerleveling, but it was the child of dropping the paywall. If you're a parent then you know about apples and how far they drop from trees. Not very.

Maybe people may feel like things are bad here now, but I encourage you to count your blessings.

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9 hours ago, Erythrea said:

I will fuck you for 24 gifts* (about USD 10,-), a very moderate rate on other worlds.
Once your wish is granted you will pay higher rates for worthwile escorts. I could have written 50 or 125 gifts also, these rates are not unusual on other worlds.

If you like to get financially milked you can already experience this in other worlds. Why change the fine virtual ecosystem of 3DXchat into a cess pool?

Now imagine they introduce xgold transfer and make it also possible just to buy stuff like poses, dresses, properties and furnishings and such. (By the way, the circles of xgold-transfer advocates and "more uses for xgold" advocates are almost congruent.) We are not even speaking of converting to subscription or a conversion of game money to real world money!
While not all women, or even female avatars, will turn out to be "real" sex workers, it will be enough to make it difficult for many men to get and stay in touch with women, who are not sex workers. This applies not only to men of the "colds are OK", "hru bb" and "animation click only" variety, but it will get even more expensive for these.

Be careful what you wish for!

I prefer the virtual world of 3DXchat, where you can act out sex worker fantasies without milking your (role-play) partners and enjoy the absence of "peer pressure" of "real" virtual sex workers, who are in it for the money, not fun and lust.

*No, I will not do that. It was just a rhetorical figure.

This is not the case in all other online sex games, except maybe Second Life.

I never asked to be able to buy more in-game stuff with Xgold, so I am not one of those wanting Xgold transfers and more stuff to buy.

I would never ask for more than a lousy 50 Xgold for cyber-sexual service.

Either way, you're just trying to shoot down an idea which would never effect you for good or for bad.

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9 hours ago, BadWord said:

In what way is it different?

Me letting you fuck my avi for xgold and me letting you enter my room for xgold?

If you don't understand the difference, you should not be in an adults only game.

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9 hours ago, York said:

With respect, I think you are fear-mongering and discounting the power of human agency. You believe that there will suddenly be mass exploitation occurring as if the same market forces of real life wouldn't naturally regulate what occurs on 3DX (i.e., you can write 125 gifts and I can tell you to take a hike as I have an independent mind and can discern the difference between abuse and just adding a playful element to an RP). I also take issue with your characterization that anyone being for this idea wants to be "financially milked." You can keep your judgment in check as you simultaneously keep your strawman fallacious arguing in check - a sex-based virtual world should also by its essence be virtually judgment free. Otherwise, what's the point? Again, it's not about exploitation, it's about just having a fun optional feature added, which will self-regulate, because no one is forced to partake. 

On the subject of making xgold more relevant to purchase a variety of things, I personally believe it would actually be beneficial to 3DX as a business and as a community for that type of system to replace the subscription entry model. Paywalls are barriers that are anti-growth. The only reason I decided to cross the paywall to try this was because my friend was strongly recommending this and there was the quarantine sale taking place. It is certainly turning tons of people away from ever trying this. Free entry with incentives to purchase game credits to develop your in-game experience is a model that would encourage growth. But anyway, that's outside the scope of this particular suggestion, which is very narrow in what it's asking.    

I agree with you, it is fear-mongering.  It is also attempting to discourage improvement to the game and more player choices.

I also agree with you that it could be beneficial to 3DX as a business and as a community.

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7 hours ago, Xizl said:

I personally believe that you and few other people here who asking devs to add market in game and to add more uses for xgold... You don't really care much about SexGameDevil's business. What you care first and foremost is your own joy, which is pretty natural and I don't see anything wrong with it. But you using this "good for business" argument to hide what you really want...

Your assumptions about my intentions here do not change the fact that the probability is that the game would experience more growth in a free to play model. However, I acknowledge some of the reasonable concerns you've expressed and thank you for expressing your opposition respectfully.

Trial would be one step, but I worry that after the trial expires, people who find the non-sale subscription fee to be too onerous will just bow out and venture to free to play platforms. $20 a month for a game is twice as much as the biggest streaming media platforms. For a game reference, it is the same price as some all access passes which give you access to 100+ games to play, including AAA titles.  

 

7 hours ago, BadWord said:

I like that we are all equal here in regards of what we can wear or the poses we can use. The fact we got a paywall might be keeping potential customers out, sure, but it also keep MINORS out. Wich is a VERY GOOD THING!

I don't think the paywall has that benefit. I'm pretty sure any minor can buy a paysafecard and get access to 3DX. 

 

7 hours ago, Erythrea said:

The words you missed are: "Thank you for sharing your observations in other virtual worlds with in-game currency transfer and markets."

Your observations are out of step with reality. All those virtual worlds provide opportunities for voluntary exchange. Users are free to determine for themselves whether a request being made is abusive/exploitative and to subsequently withdraw. You are currently living in a capitalist society, are you not? Do you find yourself being forced to buy expensive cars? Are people being forced to pay for prostitutes IRL? Are sex work customers being forced to pay any rate that's demanded of them? The only things forced are tax, some form of shelter, food, some form of medical services, and some form transportation. The majority of sex in the world is not payment-based, even as the option exists for many to request payment. This empirical fact alone dismantles your position. 

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34 minutes ago, York said:

Trial would be one step, but I worry that after the trial expires, people who find the non-sale subscription fee to be too onerous will just bow out and venture to free to play platforms. $20 a month for a game is twice as much as the biggest streaming media platforms. For a game reference, it is the same price as some all access passes which give you access to 100+ games to play, including AAA titles.  

I think it's more reasonable to compare 3dxchat and it's pricing not with other games or even services in general, but with its direct competitors – other adult MMOs. 

The reality of most other adult MMOs that to get a wholesome experience you need to pay for premium account or some other form of subscription and on top of it pay for content. Which easily can end up pricier than paying even a monthly subscription in 3dxchat. At least if we are not talking about playing for years. And if we talk about playing for years... I don't have a statistics, but I think that most old players in 3dxchat, who here for more than a year, paying yearly for this game. And yearly plan here, even without sale, costs not much more than premium accounts in some other games. With sales – sometimes even cheaper. But here for this price you are getting a whole game with all content. I personally know people who spent thousands of dollars on SL. But I know no one who spent thousands of dollars on 3dxchat. It's possible here only if you play for several years using monthly subscription (and you still will need 4+ years to get to one thousand) or if you having several accounts for whatever reasons. 

And yes, I understand that trial is not some perfect solution. But I don't think that some kind of perfect solution exists in general. It's always about pros and cons and trial seems to me a good way to bring new players without making drastic changes to the core of the game and ruining it for a huge portion of current player base. 

Of course I am talking about hypothetical future. First of all they should fix their server software. 

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Many people are here because this is not a free to play game, because there is not a marketplace here with microtransactions and whatnot. Gold transfer can work without any ftp stuff here.

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Some newer players may not know this but they used to allow Xgold transfer between players.  They simply disabled the option.  Go to a friend's profile... click "Send Gift"... pick a gift... then look under the Comment box below the gift... the disabled option is still there, it says "Send (300 Xgold)".

I wish they would re-enable the option to transfer Xgold between players.

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5 minutes ago, York said:

A clear majority for gold transfer. 

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Sure, and maybe we will get it. And maybe xgold transfers will be a great thing for the game. I don´t think it will, for reasons myself and others have stated multiple times.

This I will add tho, it would be, imho, a good thing if only paying members could vote on these polls, like if they was inside the game.

I´ll bang for 2k I guess. See you all in the brothels :)

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22 minutes ago, Kittibang said:

Gifts work just fine for escort fantasy. Thyever already got purses, jewlery, and bundles of cash. Dont fix what aint broken.

I prefer to keep fantasy role-plays as realistic as possible.  No real life prostitute accepts gifts as payment for sexual services.

Those who say something like "gifts work just fine" are only seeking something they can use as some sort of show of status, as if more gifts equals a better escort or a better person, since no one can see how much Xgold others have.

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On 09/06/2020 at 03:00, pretty said:

Certains joueurs ont un fantasme de "prostituée et cliente". Les cadeaux sont boiteux comme faux paiement pour des services sexuels. Veuillez laisser les joueurs se transférer les uns les autres. Il n'y a aucun mal à cela.

je suis totalement contre

 

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