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So, what is SPAM in the eyes of 3DX Devs / Mods ?


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2 minutes ago, R0bT said:

not for devs, they can take any name they want. Use to also be a normal gizmo running around. The name rule doesnt apply to admins in the game

I didn't realise that... one rule for us...

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7 minutes ago, Nikki said:

I said some pages ago when everyone was quoting the rules over and over that it could be an account take over or duplicate with dev tools.

It totally doesent read like Lisa at all. Unless she did it like Mal and logged in drunk 😛

Hahaha yes... so if someone manages to get access to game configuration level and took over an admin account then next thing to do will be of course: ban people for spam WC...

Stay serious :)

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1 minute ago, Kemistry said:

Hahaha yes... so if someone manages to get access to game configuration level and took over an admin account then next thing to do will be of course: ban people for spam WC...

Stay serious :)

Its all speculation. Noone knows whats really happening. Also you dont know what kind of options you have with dev tools. As it is with moderators and admins on a forums there can be specific roles assigned, so not everything would be possible.

As I said its a very long shot.

The most reasonable explantation would be, that someone is sweeping thru the reports that where made and just applies bans to any open reports without cross referencing if its true. Thats probably the most likely scenario. Why? if anyone noticed the forums keeps magically locking and cleaning itself huh.

Someone was hired to clean up this mess ingame and on the forums and we are not supposed to know who.

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10 minutes ago, Nikki said:

Its all speculation. Noone knows whats really happening. Also you dont know what kind of options you have with dev tools. As it is with moderators and admins on a forums there can be specific roles assigned, so not everything would be possible.

As I said its a very long shot.

The most reasonable explantation would be, that someone is sweeping thru the reports that where made and just applies bans to any open reports without cross referencing if its true. Thats probably the most likely scenario. Why? if anyone noticed the forums keeps magically locking and cleaning itself huh.

Someone was hired to clean up this mess ingame and on the forums and we are not supposed to know who.

Yes. So why not stay with most likely solution? No takeover needed, no alien invasion, no flat earth theory... only some annoyed admins (annoyed because of a hundreds of spam reports by some deranged DJ groups...) that activated a simple spam bot...

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My guesses are...  1. Nobody 'got hold of' any Dev tools the person that posted with the name Lisa was just being a troll.  2.  that ads (spam) are no longer allowed in WC. To which I must admit I give a big 'hell yeah!' Today has been the nicest day I have had in world in a long time with the WC not being flooded with huge ads of purple over and over.   

I don't know how to explain the people that say they weren't in world when they got banned or in their own room when it happened although you might have to really think about the possibilty that you perhaps had posted what would be considered an ad ... ie... Hey so and so my friend I am open cmon over.  I am highly highly doubting that if you open a room and your guests show up and you say ... Hi there so and so ... and ... Hi there so and so... etc as ppl enter, that you would be banned.  

These are just my guesses mind you. I could be wrong. There is a first time for everything.  😁😜

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Possible. if thats the case we wont probably get an answer ever. From my past experience no admin and moderator ever justified or explained the bans they did.

It was either take it or leave. The lack of reply from the authorities in this game let me assume its exactly what will happen. So swallow up. Wait until you unbanned and consider future actions. Thoose that have been banned by "accident" are either victim of a bulk script or have done something different they didnt think of yet.

Noone knows how old some reports might have been.

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11 hours ago, R0bT said:

well, if this ban is just because she posted welcome to people in her own room, thats silly as fuck. I mean , i see people purring like a kitten over and over in rooms, thats repetitive posts, why should that not be a bannable offense if saying welcome is. Not to mention you would actually have to go to her room to hear her welcoming people. If it bugs you that much, take your happy ass to another room.

There is a major difference in doing it in a room as opposed to WC, everyone is forced to see it there

I just remembered, in another game I use to play, an MMO and they put in a protection on all the chat channels even priavte, that if you typed too many messages within a certain time frame, you would get muted for an hour. They done this because certain groups, like the DDOS people were Tab-spamming large messages at the same time and it was affecting the servers. They never revealed what the limits were as the spammers would then work around them and continue on doing it.

It could be something like this has been implemented? It would explain the private rooms having the problem and that any messages in WC may have been just coincidental and had nothing to do with the bans as you cant quickly spam in there anyway. Just a thought.

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10 hours ago, xSweetMiseryx said:

[…]  2.  that ads (spam) are no longer allowed in WC. To which I must admit I give a big 'hell yeah!' 

I must admit I give it a big "hell no!"

tbh… 99% of the content (locations, events, 'services' … ) we have is produced by users. When you build a location or plan an event or whatever then you want others to know about it, to visit you. It is not possible to give all the information possibly useful for visitors in location name... not if you want to mention music styles, DJs... e.g. for our Porn Cinema Event we have to tell something about our Kast stream - this is not possible in location name. So world chat announcement is the most effective way to communicate this. (And please don't tell me anything about forum, discords, bunny bots... they simply have no effect…)

For me, we lost a very important way to get useful information. 

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1 minute ago, Kemistry said:

I must admit I give it a big "hell no!"

tbh… 99% of the content (locations, events, 'services' … ) we have is produced by users. When you build a location or plan an event or whatever then you want others to know about it, to visit you. It is not possible to give all the information possibly useful for visitors in location name... not if you want to mention music styles, DJs... e.g. for our Porn Cinema Event we have to tell something about our Kast stream - this is not possible in location name. So world chat announcement is the most effective way to communicate this. (And please don't tell me anything about forum, discords, bunny bots... they simply have no effect…)

For me, we lost a very important way to get useful information. 

I actually agree. Specially the the part between the parentheses.
Anything that 'forces' someone to tab away from the game to get information about something IN the game, fails by default.
Because you then direct the viewers attention away from where you want it.
However, the ads -where- out of hand. Information is one thing, but 25 text lines of ASCII art to promote a simple party, is just horrible.

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9 minutes ago, Derai said:

However, the ads -where- out of hand. Information is one thing, but 25 text lines of ASCII art to promote a simple party, is just horrible.

Yes. Some people started spamming adverts which simply wipes away all the other stuff visible in word chat window. That sucks. Some people started spamming with 3 or 4 persons to avoid the 60sec limit. That sucks. Some people started spamming in local chats of other locations . That sucks massively.

In fact, we 've lost something quite useful because of some idiots.

But, to be honest, I have no clue what to do to keep the useful part and avoid the excesses...

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6 minutes ago, Kemistry said:

But, to be honest, I have no clue what to do to keep the useful part and avoid the excesses...

Me neither, I've seen some ideas like making the posting in World Chat cost XGold.
But that would kill the chat (not that I would mind much, but I'm biased)
 

Fact of the matter is, no matter -what- system they use, people WILL find ways to corrupt it and ruin it for everyone.

“A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.” - Douglas Adams

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I use myself the wc to advertize, but I considere those ads like non desired pop-up. Sometime people are in a convo, and suddenly 5-6 ads pop in, you need to scroll so much to see what was the last real message.

Regarding event informations, I think someone propose that in the room list, the host can put like description. 

So in the list we would have room name - host name (clickable please ><) - and a room description button where host can put info and for example rules if a rp room (which would avoid builders to make whole walls with rules).

And if dev want to make some money, they kick out the 300 x gold push, they go back to old listing of rooms, create an ads channel, and each post cost 300 x gold and ban any person putting ad in WC.

 

I just recall now my time in World of Warcraft where you could choose to join or not some channel, like the "General", "Looking for group", "Trade"...Maybe that could be something?

 

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3 minutes ago, Derai said:

Fact of the matter is, no matter -what- system they use, people WILL find ways to corrupt it and ruin it for everyone.

Douglas Adams was a wise man.

And yes, literally all systems can be corrupted. It's kinda law of nature. What one can do is: make it hard to corrupt and accept a certain proportion of corruption.

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Just now, MeiLing said:

Pay per post in world chat as proposed by Gizmo....

There are no easy solutions saddly pay per post on wc will make ''spammers'' pay xgold to post a ad ...also i wanna ad to this that most ''spammers' spam cause they dont want to spend xgold to top the room ...so 50% of those spammers will stop spam and maybe rest 50 % will spam way less by paying each time ..its a solution  but makes all other ppl also pay to chat on wc lol as i said no easy fix without hire ppl ...not to mention now 3dxchat cost half the money ^^ 

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2 minutes ago, Aliviax said:

There are no easy solutions saddly pay per post on wc will make ''spammers'' pay xgold to post a ad ...also i wanna ad to this that most ''spammers' spam cause they dont want to spend xgold to top the room ...so 50% of those spammers will stop spam and maybe rest 50 % will spam way less by paying each time ..its a solution  but makes all other ppl also pay to chat on wc lol as i said no easy fix without hire ppl ...not to mention now 3dxchat cost half the money ^^ 

I agree, making 2 channels solve this:

- free wc, if ad posted ban

- ad channel: any post cos 300x gold

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4 minutes ago, Aliviax said:

There are no easy solutions saddly pay per post on wc will make ''spammers'' pay xgold to post a ad ...also i wanna ad to this that most ''spammers' spam cause they dont want to spend xgold to top the room ...so 50% of those spammers will stop spam and maybe rest 50 % will spam way less by paying each time ..its a solution  but makes all other ppl also pay to chat on wc lol as i said no easy fix without hire ppl ...not to mention now 3dxchat cost half the money ^^ 

i dont mind paying 300 gold to top my room but what i dont like is getting bumped 1 second later put a delay on that 

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Just now, Torax said:

I agree, making 2 channels solve this:

- free wc, if ad posted ban

- ad channel: any post cos 300x gold

i agree also but that requires a moderator 24/7 to monitor normal wc for violations in order to work 

and since now 3dxchat cost half the money i dont think they will hire at least 3 moderators per day to cover all shifts hehe 

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