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Few days back I got censored on one of the social networks due to lack of ''adult content warning.'' I didn't experience it the first time, and this time I still can't get out of my head,...I assume because In my opinion was the picture highly artistic,  I guess I have bring my rebellion against here🤪. Back to my point, i don't have in mind pornographic images, in fact I'm talking about nude art, and overall around ''nakedness'' it seems like we have a lot of problems as a 'global civilization.' We censor women's (bare) breasts very quickly, while each of us and absolutely every institution...have their own purely personal definitions and opinions what is art and what is pornography. Personally, I have a divided opinion about pornography, while it certainly helped in one way, ''sexual liberation,'' it is also a festival of clichés, elevating patriarchal beliefs to extremes,..I could go on which is also noticeable in this game, quite a few men behave as if they were coming from a cave or something, for quite some, porn movies are not fantasy made for the viewer but a documentary movie. Personally, I fully support eroticism, I think it's liberating, it can be incredible uplifting, inspirational...same as Mozart, while pornography is not. And here lies my problem, probably not just mine, where we as a culture seems to quickly equate a naked picture with pornography,..personally, I'm always surprised that you can get instantly censored by publishing a naked breast, while one can show pictures of violence, aggression,..shootings, all kind of violence and beatings as well as injuries..and hardly anyone will care about it. What do you think? Do you think we have an unhealthy attitude towards sexuality and nudity?

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You make a great point Mondayy. Historically people in Europe have had a more casual and accepting attitude toward artful nudity than those of us here in America. If you study art, visit a good museum, art gallery, or even just pick up a book on classical art, you're going to see things that, sadly, can't be posted uncensored on most of the web and social media platforms. Part of it is because these platforms don't trust that all people viewing their content are of legal age. It's amazing what the lawyers will ban in an effort to avoid litigation. But I agree with you, the world would be a better place if people saw more bare breasts, more art, and less gratuitous violence.

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On 3/12/2020 at 3:39 PM, Mondayy said:

 Do you think we have an unhealthy attitude towards sexuality and nudity?

I think the US has and all states that are very religious for the pure reason that christianity and islamism have in common to prohibit sexuality in public a lot. if you check very secular countries such as the netherlands, scandinavia or germany youll find much less problems with nuditity in general there. the reason we have such strict rules in the internet is that the most tech companies are US-companies and used to censor such kind of things, additionally they would be banned from certain markets if they wouldnt go with the smallest common denominator.

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@Stacee @IKushiel

Yes and of course religion is part of it, ( although I have to say that I am religious myself, though my beliefs does not contain sex as sin...) as all of our development and laws..comes through history and from the religious forms of government of the Middle Ages, the development of that time..although I also agree that pornography should not be accessible to children...but nevertheless, the naked body censorship itself can go to extremes on some media. For example Microsoft is known for its very strict censorship just about anything that already has a name ''nude,'' also Instagram, Twitter..which will censor even the greatest works of art as nsfw (not safe for work).They are these extremes and as if they have a grounded belief that naked body itself is something to censor.

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Well it's also about advertising. A company paying money doesn't want their advert/brand surrounded by porn or other things. This was a big issue for youtube recently and as I recall some brands stopped - at least on a short term basis - placing adverts on the site or before videos. Facebook seem to have hired lots of people whose job it is to basically view all sorts of gruesome videos and decide if it breaches terms or not as they fight to keep their site from regulation - I think Germany was annoyed they seemed helpless to remove far right stuff. We're not aware of the "nude art" you posted so it's difficult to comment on how wrong it was. I guess they have software that is able to detect naked human form. My own tumblr was essentially taken down as it had nude 3dx pics! Tumblr do say that say an image of how to inspect your breast is permitted or other educational purpose images are ok. Flickr asks for you to state what the level is (safe, moderate or adult) thought hey will take you down if you are breaching those rules. I think your argument is slightly wrong here. If I walk down the street I aren't expecting to see naked human bodies on adverts and it's the same with social media!, whereas if I go to an art gallery I probably will see nakedness - and even the sponsors and donors are aware of the content.

I'd also suggest you are wrong on your statement about nobody caring about violent images etc. I think the problem here is that nude images are very easy for software to detect, whereas a video of a beating isn't and so they are reliant upon humans to actually report and check them - oh and according to a 2017 article 65 years worth of video is uploaded to facebook each day! They receive one million reports a day.

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Hmm, I agree it is related to the business itself, although this is not the couse of it as on other hand is sex a multi-billion industry itself. What I had in mind was, that naked wall paintings, naked frescos ...from the 14th century, naked pictures we see in castles today, are pornography of the time, but we do not censor them. Nude pictures from 16th,  century are the Playboy of that time. Well not really as today Playboy and most of nudity is not comparable to historical nudity before the rise of specific branches of Christianity and other religions that view sex as sin, something bad or the ''necessary evil.'' We know that people before the rise of such beliefs had a very different attitude towards sexuality and the naked body as we can see all over the place, some hindu temples are full of what we would call today: pornographic, Pompeii, Italy was so full of erotic art...that the majority of art, statues..entire districts was hidden from the public for decades...people in the past did not consider naked body as something for shame, dangerous...and their religion was fundamentally interconnected with sexuality as we see in many gods as Aphrodite, Eros...while Playboy today serves a completely different purpose and there is nothing ''spiritual'' behind, is solely for profit making, so today nudity have of course can have very different meaning and purpose. And here we have today big problems, as you have write: '' We did not see the picture..so I or we can't say...'' No, no, no..what might be for you pornographic might be for me art and visa versa.Pornography is widely defined today as '' images intended to arousal the individual...'' Throughout history this has ben governed by monarchy, respectively. rule, the church..today ''nudity'' is regulated under freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Nevertheless, we still do not have today definition or clear lines what is ''obscene, pornographic..'' and what is art  and this friction persists here, where each country, each company...make their own rules what they consider pornographic and what art. While for violence, I can't agree at all. How is that bloodsport called UFC or something...this should be censored!!! and on TV under NSFW and 18+ and even then...it would be too bizarre for me, to watch something like that and consider this: SPORT. But even 5 years old child can watch this on TV. Absurd.  The Romans had called their gladiators: athlets! And and whole families watched on the tribunes battles to death and life...and father would said to his son'' See SON..maybe you will be lucky and stand one day down there, what a hero.'' Was a longer answer as this topic is somehow close to me and maybe not that simple.

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