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Good news I think ..... Plexstom was included in the whats new section of the login page of 3DXChat ... It now appears to have been removed. Would be nice if 3DXChat made it clear that anyone streaming PRIVATE MESSAGES of another member without their consent will be banned from the game.

Good news I think ..... Plexstom was included in the whats new section of the login page of 3DXChat ... It now appears to have been removed. Would be nice if 3DXChat made it clear that anyone streaming PRIVATE MESSAGES of another member without their consent will be banned from the game.

You obviously haven't read the thread ..... This is often a streamer who invites a person to a PRIVATE APPARTMENT for sex .... streams the sex and the PRIVATE MESSAGES of the victim who have often NOT GIVEN CONSENT and are totally unaware they are being streamed to a PUBLIC AUDIENCE. Read the post from TallDarkProfessor .... The Public audience are asking the streamer LIVE to humiliate the unsuspecting victim with offers of EARNINGS (XPS) .... This is the beginnining ... as it gets harder to get audiences the humiliation will get worse as the top streamers fight for the audiences .......

Lets be clear 3DXchat, is a sex site that does attract some persons that wish to play out sexual fantasies that would be clearly illegal and socially abhorrent to most people in real life. Rape is illegal ... Rape play, may not be technically illegal, but for me promoting it is abhorrent. Underage sex is ilegal ... Underage sex play, may not be technically illegal, but for me promoting it is abhorrent. Recording sex without consent is illegal .... Recording a virtual sex play without consent, may not be technically illegal, but for me promoting it is abhorrent. All of the above is sexual exploitation and is usually acted on by those desiring power over their victims. You can argue all you like that the Plexstorm model will not always be abused, but it clearly is .... and this will only get worse.

Point taken Meilyn However they could humiliate me and I am sure a lot of other people ...

Yes I can see how much fun it could be .... And maybe at first it will be? BUT and a big BUT .... as soon as it becomes competitive between top streamers they will find the biggest audiences will be watching the streamers that totally humiliate their victims ....

3DXchat is promoting to every customer of 3DXchat, everytime everyone logs in, Plexstorm. Plexstom offers gifts for live streaming of your personal sexual encounters, including your Private Messages (PMs). Those streaming will earn XPS, which they can use to get gifts and reputation. How do you feel about the fact that you could have, what you think is a private sexual encounter, and without your knowledge or consent every detail and every word you say in your Personal Messages is streamed to a public audience. A public audience that can comment, joke, laugh at what you say or do. The person having sex with you will most likely be trying to gain notoriety and gifts by making you look an idiot. The more entertaining they make sex with their victims, the more entertained the live audience will be, the more the streamer will earn. The person streaming your sexual encounter, will be trying to please an audience that will be commenting live on your sexual acts and what you are saying in your Personal Messages . The audience will be offering XPS for the streamer to get you to do stuff most likely ... you can imagine what they will, be asking the streamer to ask you to do ... I doubt it will be anything that will make you look good in bed. How will you feel when you walk around 3DXchat and you get PMs saying they enjoyed your video and how funny, sexy, dirty, you were, or what an idiot you are ..... I voted no obviously

Well, the "NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY" which is based in Boston MA (above) .... said all, and more than the second link I gave you (maybe a bit harder to understand) ..... all sources are cited by numbers next to any legal text and are listed at the bottom of the page that I gave you the link too ..... Copyright law in the U.S. is governed by federal statute. Federal laws (statutes), enacted by the United States Congress, must be followed by every state in the country. As to your last post ... this is going nowhere ...... you first have to understand what copyright is .... It doesn't protect the ideas, (secrets as you put it) "Fixed in a tangible medium of expression" just the "Fixed tangible medium of expression" itself ... If you want to protect ideas you uses a "Patent" ... I am done, you are going further down the rabbit hole .... talking about recording phone calls now Regardless of the legallity of the recording it is the person that makes the recording not those being recorded that owns the copyright ... same as when you take a picture of people or a crowd, it is the person that "Fixed ( it ) in a tangible medium of expression" that holds the copyright not those that are photographed. Point is with a PM the text is "Fixed in a tangible medium of expression" before it is sent to their partner, copyright was aquired before the partner received it ... The partner only has ownership over their own text. Plexstorm isn't just streaming the ideas (secrets) of a person, but also a direct copy of something "Fixed in a tangible medium of expression" where the author may not have given their consent for its publication. And if you only gave relevant links ..... and read correctly what you cite that could be considered relevant (Such as the "Abstract" you sent), you would understand what I am saying.

Look I have said I will explain some of the "light" legal text in my posts if you ask ...... You keep talking about conversations between two people ... This is sending you down a wrong path or rabbit hole ... Copyright does not apply to conversation between two or any amount of people if it is not recorded in a tangible medium. Copyright is aquired when something is "Fixed in a tangible medium of expression" ... such as paper a photograph, an electronic communication and is "perceivable by people either with or without the aid of a machine" And I can't see how "Fair use" can apply before you know the content of what has been copied .... how the hell could you establish you acted within the bounds of "Fair use" when you stream something live? You at least need to know what you are copying before you can state you copied it fairly

I suggest you put in "Copyright email" into google and read all the websites ..... I Picked the very first website (featured) https://www.netmanners.com/660/online-copyright-myths/ Picked out a relevant section: Online Copyright Myths “E-mail is not copyright protected once it is sent.” E-mail is a written work that once created is copyright protected by the author. This means you cannot post publicly an e-mail sent to you privately. You cannot post private e-mails to your site, to message boards or to your blog without the author’s specific permission to do so. Just because an e-mail was sent to you as a private communication does not mean you then own it and can do with it what you like. In addition, e-mail that is posted to a group of people, on a mailing list or Newsgroup does not make the e-mail available for reposting, copying, or any other use – not without the express and written consent of the author.

Well really Well really? Only one of those links actually deals with the issue of publicly, publishing Private Messages, rather than just forwarding a text from a service that promotes the forwarding of such messages or taking a screenshot from a public venue such as Facebook ... And remember there is a big difference between forwarding a text to a friend than making something public The one relevant link (publishing emails) .. there were 2 answers: The reviewed, 22 star, litigation lawyer States "This is an invasion of your privacy and can be actionable." An unreviewed lawyer since 2009, with no picture, no contact details, disagrees and sounds like he doesn't know his arm from his elbow.

I am not going to get into the nitty gritty ... but show an actual source to your contention? I recognise some of what you say, but it is taken way out of context First understand the law before you send unrelated links that do not cover the issue .... Different juristictions have differences, however most judicial systems are the same on the fundamentals ... or at least those dealt within this thread. I am from the UK, but european law was basically harmonised with : The Copyright Directive (officially the Directive 2001/29/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 22 May 2001 on the harmonisation of certain aspects of copyright and related rights in the information society. But you speak of the USA ... but their laws are fundametally the same, infact a UK/EU non registered copyright is accepted in the USA. OK I have included a link to one of many the publications on the issue .... "NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY LAW REVIEW" ...... I chose this because it lays down PM/EMAIL "Copyright" in laymans terms ... http://nulawreview.org/extralegalrecent/do-not-forward-why-passing-along-an-email-may-constitute-copyright-infringement For those that don't wish to read it all I have taken a section that should clear up the issue .... If you have a problem understanding this please let me know .... I. When Are Emails Copyrighted Works?In order for an email to be a copyrighted work, it must be an “original work of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression . . . .”6 While a one-word email or an email that itself copies a prior work would not itself be “an original work of authorship,” the vast majority of emails of more than a few words meet the low bar for originality described by the Supreme Court in Feist Publications, Inc. v. Rural Telephone Service Company.7 In order to be “fixed in a tangible medium of expression,” a work must be perceivable by people either with or without the aid of a machine.8 Therefore, emails are automatically copyrighted when written, so long as they are sufficiently original to meet the low bar of Feist.9

People will ignore the obvious .... There is a big difference between a video and live streaming PRIVATE MESSAGES to a live audience that wants to be entertained and want to comment on that entertainment ..... live !!!!! And note ... there are incentives for popular live streams, with gifts etc. Look at the examples of videos brought up by some .... they are not going to make the grade on a site such as Plexstorm ... Even a sex romp without PRIVATE MESSAGES will fail to capture an audience. Anything less and you may as well watch a video. What Plexstorm is after is a sex romp with the PRIVATE MMESSAGES shown so the audience can get involved and comment live .... basically take the piss out of the partner that is unaware that their PRIVATE MESSAGES are being streamed. Unlike videos dotted around, which are unlikely to be seen unless particularly searched for .... Plexstorm is advertised to every member, everytime that they log onto their 3DXchat account. And as regards copyright I can assure you that a Private Message is covered by copyright and numerous different privacy laws depending on the territory you reside ..... In some places it is also a felony. If you are ignorant of the law please use google or another search engine, rather than me boring every one with pages of legal documents and case-files, from years of personal experience.

Lets be clear here .... this is not useful for showing your building or how to build etc ... this is live streaming for the entertainment of others that can comment on the action, private comments you are unknowingly performing and PMing in a live stream. So you go and have sex unaware of the fact that your partner is streaming you to entertain others to earn "XPS". They can get "XPS" it appears from tips from the audience that can comment on the action live. So you think you are having a mutually enjoyable sex session and idiots watching can be commenting to your partner, "make him/her grunt like a pig and I will give you x amount of XPS" ... And you grunt for the amusement of some idiots laughing at you (just an off the cuff example, add you own nightmare here). And I am sure some will record any embarrassing situations you are unknowingly recorded doing. Probably passed around 3dxchat for your further embarrasment. Oh and its promoted by the people you pay to keep your privacy

This is an excellent point

Great post /// but the above particularly struck me .... If I saw this on Plexstorm and knew 3DXchat promoted the streaming of its members sex sessions and their private conversations without their knowledge or consent, I would never have joined 3dxchat ... And I think you are right, this will frighten more people away than what it will attract

Actually a good idea .... nothing wrong with broadcasting sex sessions if all parties are aware .... the damage that can be done to a person when that person is unaware they are being streamed should be obvious to any decent person ....

Yes you are correct there is no official doctrine of precedent in EU law ... as it was an imperative that the courts of first and last instance that were bound by treaties could have the power to depart from earlier decisions ... however case-law is the cornerstone of EU law.

Mmmm, maybe you should look at the European Court of Justice ruling on Pirate Bay ... And Pirate Bays failed argument that they only made the trackers available and not the copyright material. But as you say, Gizmo has granted members the right to stream private messages .... He has broken our trust .... PM is the same as email and both are private and protected in various ways .... If 3DXchat haven't got a signed agreement that they can share our PMs, they had no right to grant anyone the right to stream them .... The clue is in the name PM ... Private Message .... Personal message

There is a big difference to an individual finding Plexstorm and streaming copyright material, than 3DXChat actively promoting it. 3DXchat may not be the streaming service, but they have indirectly/directly granted Plexstorm permission to stream their copyright material, which includes their members personal communications. Had 3DXchat been actively protecting our personal communications they could have issued a Take down order, as 3DXchat graphics is copyrighted in itself. Plexstorm would have taken down the odd 3DXchat stream rather than gamble on 3DXchat taking further action. But they have publicly endorsed the service and the streaming of our personal communications. So 3DXchat has burnt the option to protect our communications .... we and our personal communications are now at the mercy of any idiot on 3DXchat that wants to hurt another member. Yes you can report the matter as an individual, after the damage is done ..... but we pay 3DXchat to protect our personal communications and information, not to abuse it for advertisment purposes

Hi thanks for your input .... The point is 3DXChat sell into many different nations and they are promoting the use of Private and possibly copyrighted material ... I am trying to refrain from getting into the nitty gritty. BUT ..... There is a big difference from private people copying stuff, posting screenshots/videos/etc, than a business actively promoting the use of copyrighted and Private material of its customers. I see nowhere in anything I signed with 3DXchat that stated 3DXChat could use or promote the use of my Private communications to other memebers with third parties. I may be wrong and missed it in the small print? But the legal aspect aside ... has 3DXchat actually thought about what they are doing?

Really, really surprised that 3DXchat would condone this? !!!!!!!!! Too big a subject to cover something that is VERY, VERY wrong ... but a few obvious issues in short ..... The moment anyone records anything, including the written word, it aquires copyright (no need for registration, it is automatic). Even if the production could be considered as a joint copyright both authors would need to agree on its publication. (from a legal site as regards sharing emails) The sender of the email retains copyright of the email. Civil liability can occur if published in any way that goes beyond "fair use". Private facts. There is a tort called publication of private facts. A plaintiff must establish four elements to hold someone liable for publication of private facts: Public Disclosure: The disclosure of facts must be public. Another way of saying this is that the defendant must "give publicity" to the fact or facts in question. Private Fact: The fact or facts disclosed must be private, and not generally known. Offensive to a Reasonable Person: Publication of the private facts in question must be offensive to a reasonable person of ordinary sensibilities. Not Newsworthy: The facts disclosed must not be newsworthy. Stated differently, the facts disclosed must not be a matter of legitimate public concern. Publishing a sexual encounter with someone without their knowledge or consent would certainly qualify as a tort called publication of private facts.

By the way I worked a lot with crazy talk animator (was out many years ago) .... Yes it can be complex creating animations, however it can be very very simple. There are pre-made animations, that can be linked .... a scene can flow from start to finish by simply choosing a character or characters and link them with animations creating a story line and wallah And no it doesn't make the graphics low quality

How can anyone have a "proper conversation" about something we know nothing about yet?

Well as you shot out an unrelated platitude "Ever heard quality over quantity?" why does it bother you when I throw one back? And sorry .... I don't feel sorry for people that want other non related people to fuck in a way that pleases them ....