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Trouble is we are up against a brick wall, they don't seem to have the resources or will to provide us with the amount of new items people would like to see and this never changes over the years, so expecting the devs to give it to us is pretty much a waste of time. I'm mostly talking about clothes and avi accessories here. If nothing changes, we are ensured to only have the extremely limited amount of clothing we currently have and while some people like it this way, looking like clones of each other, loads of others are frustrated, would like to look a little different from everyone else in a room, and hate the limitation and want more variety. Because we can't rely on the devs to provide it, any type of shop would have to have user-created content, often of a lesser quality as you see happen in other games with similar content, but some people would still be prepared to buy it and use it anyway just for the novelty value and to have something different from everyone else and stand out a bit. I disagree with the fact it It would be 'locked' away also. As an example, I have at the current time, 435 items in my wishlist on another game, but there is no way I am going to pay real cash for them, but by logging-in regularly I receive currency free, same as xgold here, and as the balance builds up I am able to buy a new top or pants or shoes or whatever every so often. I spend nothing more than my membership there, but with the free currency I earn organically I am able to pick up a few new things here and there. Also, if there was a store of any kind, no-one would be held down at gunpoint and forced to use it, they could just do what they already do, but others would have the option to enjoy it.

 

Well to put it straight up, its never going to happen. there will never be an ingame shop in this game, but lets say there was. why have it locked? you said it wont be, but with your example, it is locked because the items are out there, but you dont have them because you didnt pay for them, either with in game or irl currency. The solusion would be no shop, but editor where people upload their creations to an official website, it gets voted on and then added to the game for FREE for everyone to use straight away. Adding any kind of shop would lead to drama, jealousy and so on because people who spend more money have more stuff.. that kind of model only works in free to play games, not here.

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To close i will say people think servers being down and game bugs are a big deal now, you dont think changing shit up to include shops wouldnt add to the cluster fuck?  

 

thats all i got, its my yyearly post about shops and 3dx, have a nice day. ( said in my  best mick foley voice)

 

i agree with all you said in your post, but im quoting you to ask if thats your dog in the picture? its super cute

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Where does all this "drama" come from some people are always quoting? Just by having a choice and being able to have an avi look different from everyone else. Many of us do not get this argument at all. I would really love some to explain in depth how drama would happen and give one or two detailed examples.

 

i can almost guarantee people would be insulted and made fun of for not having the cool stuff the other people have etc. im not saying it would happen often or stuff but it would happen eventually in some cases, however thats nowhere near the main arguement for not having an ingame shop :)

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OK, well I think it is sort of silly to prevent people from having choices just because other people can't control their emotions or have issues over what others are doing. It's penalizing players for the shortcomings of others. So what would you say is the main argument against?

 

if you read my post you would know. your solution gives people choices locked behind paying in game currency or real money. mine gives people choice without spending anything at all except on sub. which sounds better? My argument is that it would not speed up developement, but make it way slower and unnecessary since adding the shop would require a looot of hours spend coding and redesigning how the whole game works. in reality they cant even add a report button without messing up the game. solution is give people tools to make clothes > upload them to website > people vote on best and top quality which matches 3dx standards > uploaded to game for everybody to use and perhaps rewarding the creater with some xgold or some free time of playing

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OK, having just lost my room... can we have the last loaded world (file)name posted at the top, next to "File"?

 

Can we please have the ability to bake patterns on, so they don't move when the object does?  (or, rather, they do move with the object as they were applied)

 

Can we please have the ability to scale patterns?

 

Can we please have the ability to remove a pattern from a primitive, as opposed to just changing it?

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Rockster, believe me I save :) I just saved to the wrong room. If the file name that I had last loaded was displayed at the top, next to "File" that would probably have been avoided.

...and what is this with the Explorer like box that comes up somewhere else, other than overlaying the game window and, when finished, doesn't return you to the game window?

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Going back to the idea of commerce - isn't it better to give users the tools to make stuff as well as an incentive to do it instead of relying on the devs to make things for us? Users are already making rooms and sharing them, wouldn't it be so much better if they could make clothes, poses, textures etc.? If the devs can't, or won't, do these things for us then there are users who can, and are willing.

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Going back to the idea of commerce - isn't it better to give users the tools to make stuff as well as an incentive to do it instead of relying on the devs to make things for us? Users are already making rooms and sharing them, wouldn't it be so much better if they could make clothes, poses, textures etc.? If the devs can't, or won't, do these things for us then there are users who can, and are willing.

While Ive been a long time advocate for users to have access to all the tools, I dont think there needs to be any sort of commerce officially hitched to it.

Theres a lot of very talented people in 3DX world willing to share their creations, that theres no need for adding any sort of burden to the end users outside of their subs. It creates division and can cause many problems of its own.

 

If you want to charge people on the side, or outside official channels for jobs done, whatever, but I feel it should not be facilitated by the game or forum.

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Like you, Jen, i’m all in favour of giving users the tools to do what the devs seem unable to. Where we differ is over the incentive. Some content creators do it for the challenge or fun. Commerce provides a reward in addition to the creative spark of doing it.

 

There are two issues here

 

1) Should the devs provide the tools to enable users to create content

 

2) Should the devs provide a commerce platform to stimulate content creation

 

If we remove the posts from people who say it’ll never happen, I think we’ll find support for 1) but maybe not for 2)

 

I’m interested to see what comes out of this.

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If you're dealing in Xgold, I think you're overstating the problems Maxx. There are thousands of micro economies working fine all over the internet but, anyway,  the mechanism for taking Xgold from users and paying users Xgold already exists here. A catalogue system already exists for the clothing and other items, that are already available, in the character editor. The only problem is the manpower required for accepting and vetting the items and maintaining the catalogue... but then, manpower has always been the problem with 3dxchat ;)

 

 

Keep in mind the system of sending and receiving Xgold would need to be created between users along with security to keep people from abusing it.  It has to be automatic to in the sense that if you make something at say midnight and add it to the catalogue for sale the process is as seamless if made at noon. Don't get me wrong, I'm not implying it can't be done because as you've pointed out there are micro economies all over the place.

 

I'd suspect the ability to add the dll would no longer be allowed as that could be a door into manipulating the currency exchange.

 

I'd think it would take quite a long time for this to be done in 3dx based on how slow development is. Would it be a great feature? I think so. 

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Keep in mind the system of sending and receiving Xgold would need to be created between users along with security to keep people from abusing it.  It has to be automatic to in the sense that if you make something at say midnight and add it to the catalogue for sale the process is as seamless if made at noon. Don't get me wrong, I'm not implying it can't be done because as you've pointed out there are micro economies all over the place.

 

I'd suspect the ability to add the dll would no longer be allowed as that could be a door into manipulating the currency exchange.

 

I'd think it would take quite a long time for this to be done in 3dx based on how slow development is. Would it be a great feature? I think so. 

 

The problem with other games that have done this is they very much opened it up to everyone.

It then becomes very hard to control and yes would need a lot of security features in placed.

I suggested once in these forums that it could be done differently to how it has been done elsewhere.

Gizmo could limit the amount of people able to develop and own shops, we would only need a few for it to make a big difference.

If he was to have it so developers applied for the positions he could then have a lot more control over it.

If he was to allow say 6 people to develop clothes and each have a shop in the game, like one we walk in and select the clothes off racks type of thing, then transactions of XGold can be made and added a lot easier.

Also it only needs to be those 6 developer/shop owners that can cash in on their XGold and receive XGold from others.

I think it would create a lot of work to implement it and possibly cause a lot of problems to have it so everyone could cash in on their XGold, whereas to have it for just those 6 people should be fairly easy.

 

It's funny, I have noticed that some of the people that complain about some sort of shops being introduced are also ones that have complained about having very little use for XGold.

Yes I do understand the point about how people with more money can have more in the game, but for this I don't think it such a big deal.

With this the only thing that could happen is some people may have a lot more clothes in their closets.

But everyone would be able to have more outfits as clothes could be purchased just from the XGold we are given.

Yes for people that do get clothes from the XGold we are given in the game would be at a cost to Gizmo, a small cost that would pay for some of the cost towards extra developers.

He may also find he makes more, if he takes a percentage of the sales, then from people who buy XGold to buy these clothes can actually make money for him.

 

My opinion is that it would add a lot to the game, it would give us something that there has always been a huge lack of, a decent selection of clothes.

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After 4 years in RLC and thousands of dollars spent on clothing there, I came here to save money the graphics are better here, larger scale here as well. Even the drama is less here compared to other places. But when I think of the thousands of dollars that left my pocket for clothing that is fake and can not be worn by me and I have nothing to show for it, than that is where I have to draw the line. Sometimes keeping things simple keeps the costs down. The more people start wanting the more quicker costs will start generating. Go play in RLC and give it a try if you think it is cheap to play. Everything costs there even designing, wether it be buildings or clothing. So think hard before you all start saying you want, want, want. The game is still new yet, don't push to much to soon so that it goes belly up before it has a chance to grow. 

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Thousands of dollars sounds like a serious exaggeration! Ultimately it is your choice how you spend your money. The current clothes choices are good enough so you don't have to go round naked, there are limited tools for creating your own look. Those who choose not to buy extra clothes aren't forced to, although I agree that the men's clothing options are pretty dire. The point, I think, is many users want more options for clothing and are willing to use their XGold to pay for it. How many people use up all their XGold making alts, giving gifts and uploading photos? I think it's not all that many.

 

Are the people who say it is unfair to build a means of promoting user generated content suggesting that we all go round in 'little black PJ's and BF Goodrich sandals' to quote a very oid Tom Paxton song? Long live socialism in 3dxChat!

 

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for bisexual sexpose make the swap option open for M/F sex (for anal, oral, cumshot and fetish)

 

make et cumshot poses for MM 

 

for the shop i think developer want to take one in place to the futur, they created xgold for that but, before they must give clothes editor to the player.

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Garance said...
"...even in xgold. Seriously can someone explain me why it'd be better to pay instead of having everything for free?"

 

You're paying the highest subscription of any game. You're not getting anything for free... except Xgold and, if you log on every day, you're getting 300 per day.

Look at my pic above. I've got over 270000 and getting 300 per day (and, I have just come back from a 15 month sabbatical).

If you're paying in Xgold (unless you are silly enough to actually buy some) you won't be paying, in real currency, any more than your subscription.

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Garance said...

"...even in xgold. Seriously can someone explain me why it'd be better to pay instead of having everything for free?"

 

You're paying the highest subscription of any game. You're not getting anything for free... except Xgold and, if you log on every day, you're getting 300 per day.

Look at my pic above. I've got over 270000 and getting 300 per day (and, I have just come back from a 15 month sabbatical).

If you're paying in Xgold (unless you are silly enough to actually buy some) you won't be paying, in real currency, any more than your subscription.

And what about people who don't play 3dxchat for years? 

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before i go...   In order to include shops lets look at some of the hurdles

 

1- would have to change coding for game . this is the funny one because most people who want shops are the same who say gizmo is lazy, he cant code correctly, etc.

 

2- 3dx doesnt even do its own billing so they would have to either start doing transactions themselves or pay someone to. If its do it themselves, you folks already bitch that security is bad here, are you really going to put your credit card info through a system you dont trust?

 

3- they would have to either drastically reduce sub price or eliminate it thus losing money they know for a fact they will have versus money they hope they may make with shops. with only a few thousand users and im being nice when i say a few, not worth the risk

 

In closing, it would make zero sense business wise to change its entire way of doing things just to pacify a handful of people who want shops. I didnt even mention the fact he has stated in the past that he is against shops in the game due to wanting everyone to have everything available to them for just the sub price.

 

Have a nice day ;)

 

Gizmo is lazy, that is why we are suggesting this, how many clothes items have we had added over the last 2 years, very few.

What we are suggesting is a way for clothes to be added frequently without having to relay on Gizmos lazy ass to do so.

 

If it is limited to just a few people as I have suggested then the payments from Gizmo to that hand full of people would be easy, it could even be done manually through something like PayPal.

The most complicated part of that would be taxes, which isn't very hard either.

Because it would be for only that hand full of people it could be done rather simply and very securely.

To every body else in the game it would be just like buying a drink, they pay and the XGold is deducted.

As it is only a few people that can get paid fr supplying the clothes, then a very simple system can be put in that just sends that info to a database where only those people can receive, so it is easily made secure.

 

They wouldn't have to reduce the sub at all, it could stay exactly how it is.

People will be able to buy these clothes using the XGold they get given to them for logging in, and others may choose to buy XGold to get more clothes.

As for there only being a handful of people wanting shops, you are wrong there to, there are a lot, I would say even more than don't.

People want a better supply of clothing updates, and custom content has been asked for by lots to have that happen.

 

And yes he did say everything would be available to everyone for just the sub price, that was a long time ago though.

Since then he has added quite a few things that cost in the thousands of XGold where people are buying XGold to be able to do those things.

So he has already gone against that way of thinking.

Some people have like 14 picture slots, costing so much that I think money has been spent to buy XGold.

Others buy XGold to get married and devorced.

Now people will be buying XGold to change names and create alts.

You yourself have said that he added those things with the cost to make more money, so you are kind of contradicting yourself.

 

People will be able to save the 300 XGold they get each day to buy clothes, just like they save for things now.

Others will buy XGold to do it quicker, just like they do for things now.

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They created xgold as value to pay for services. 

Basically, they created xgold as a test with the option to gift others players, pay gifts, buy beer. Later, they removed the "gift other players" option after hmmm.... if i remember well, less than one week (I don't remember why, but i think it was related with prostitution), and they added the option to upload pics for the profiles. They didn't implement Xgold to create shops later.

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