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#41 Felia

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Posted 30 July 2018 - 10:12 AM

I would suggest we all stick to the subject. I find personal hostility inappropriate here. Twiggy explains it on a technical level. who knows it better or can argue, ok very gladly. I can't do it. That's why I said Pandora is a hacking program and needs to be removed. I am also in favour of not changing the account iggy into a character iggy. We need protection from stalkers and mindfucker. this is the only way to make the 3DX world bearable for us.  I hope, you understand my school english  :P 

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#42 Felia

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Posted 30 July 2018 - 10:27 AM

I have not seen where Twiggy said anything about her knowing how to run a business better than Gizmo. What I have seen is her proposing an idea that is very sound in logic because I too work with databases at work and what she has provided has a lot of merit and makes sense and is not bullshit. But a few people jump to conclusions and shoot it down> Instead of expecting her to provide examples and proof of why it world work, why don't you all show why it would not work?

I don't point this at you personally Sage. I did go back and read and I have not seen Twiggy say anything about running a business better than Gizmo. Providing information on how to improve a product for the greater good is hardly the same as telling someone how to run a business. She is attempting to provide a solution to blocking Pandora and keeping account wide ignore. 

It seems there are a handful of people who REALLY are against account wide ignore. I will ask all of you this one question and would like for you to provide a logical answer.

If there is a way to both block Pandora and keep account wide ignore, how is that not the best solution, as opposed to each avi having to be ignored separately?

 

Some of you will come out and try to say nothing is 100% secure, or that you can just ignore each avi individually, or that it's not a big deal either way, or that people can just buy a new account. Those are not reasons, those are smoke screens to try and divert attention away from the problem and garner trust in a system that is vastly inferior and will cause more harm than good. Myself and many others are not dumb and see right through the bullshit. One major reason for the hate of account wide ignore because it gets in the way of some peoples mind fuck games.

 

So let's hear ONE good reason why individual ignore is superior to account wide ignore, providing that Pandora can also be blocked. 

 

i haven't read a positive argument for changing the iggy system, neither here in this thread nor in the upcoming updates 2018 thread. Trolling and dangerous half-knowledge has been the only argumentation for the change of the iggy system so far.  :rolleyes: 


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Posted 30 July 2018 - 10:53 AM

Blocking Pandora is the main argument. Is it trolling to say this? For then Gizmo is trolling his own forum. 


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Posted 30 July 2018 - 11:18 AM

Blocking Pandora is the main argument. Is it trolling to say this? For then Gizmo is trolling his own forum. 

 

I agree with you, Pandora is illegal and must be technically blocked. However, to buy with the price of changing the Iggy system is a false and fatal way.


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Posted 30 July 2018 - 02:31 PM

Twiggy had a nice idea... but in my eyes even a random id is not required to still have an account wide ban.

 

Lets say we have the new system Gizmo is planning, means all Avatars have an unique ID and no player ID is transmitted. What prevents the server from filtering?

 

The system still keep a player ID but this ID will never be transferred to the client. Instead the server filters out all actions from Avatars from those players you have on iggy, means those commands get never executed, will never arrive on the client side.

 

Right now the client is doing the filtering but I wonder why. maybe it is simpler, it is more performant (since the server does not need to do the work for each player) BUT... it is possible. So we can keep account wide blocking and lock out Pandora.

 

Sure this would mean the server side needs some redesign and maybe it is already to late since the new version is coming but... maybe the account wide banning could be added later as an ban option (3rd option ban all current and further avatars of this player ^^).

 

 

Pros:

 

- Account wide banning

- All avatars have an unique ID

- no player ID is transmitted to the client

- Pandora cant link Avatars to eachother anymore

 

Cons:

 

- Server needs to do the filtering

 

The con can also be a pro ... right now it is still possible with the help of a hack DLL to send gifts to blocked avatars. If the server does the filtering this is no longer possible. That means even more privacy and less trolling :)

Oh and it is no longer possible to see the local chat from blocked people (I know there are hacks out there which enable this). That's cheating in my eyes. If I iggy somebody I don't want that this person:

 

- is able to read what I write

- can enter my rooms

- can send me gifts

 

And the same is true if I did the iggy :)


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Posted 02 August 2018 - 12:14 PM

Maybe gizmo things that with one stone hits 2 birds bird one is Pandora bird 2 more money from ppl spam alts.
He runs a business n he prolly wants money to create stuff now that the competition is rising.

So I think unless u not propose him ideas that earns him money n same time keep most his clients happy u not gonna have any luck.

Money ftw ;)

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Posted 03 August 2018 - 03:36 AM

Unfortunately I think Alivia is correct.

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 03:17 PM

Hmm, you say it might be a bit nit picky, I actually find what you have said rather insulting.

I would say that form of developement you talk about you do has nothing to do with scripting or databases.

Otherwise you would know that what I have put in my post is correct, it will not involve much scripting, it is fairly basic and simple sxripting that is the type of scripting done in very much any program that addresses databases.

It would not matter what coding is being used or what database type is being used, they all cater for this type of thing, it is just standard scripting and database requirements.

 

I actually am part owner in a business where we use Unity 5 for part of what we do.

We supply our clients with a tool where they let their own customers use that tool for viewing of the product we offer.

From that, having been the person that did most of the designing of that I understand quite a deal f what can and can't be done.

We have been doing this for 3 years and in that time making alterations to what we supply with that tool to perfect it.

Not only the tool itself but also how it interacts with our server, the system we have built around it.

While we were setting this up, and still do actually, I loved hearing from not only my clients but also their customers any suggestions of better ways to do things.

Not once did I take offence to any suggestions made, even now I do not.

And the ones I liked hearing from most were people that had knowledge on what could be done or ways things we had done could be improved.

Without those suggestions we would most definitely not have ended up with the product we have now.

I am sorry you find it annoying when people make suggestions of better ways to do things, even in what you do.

You must be one of these people that always finds the best solution and never makes mistakes without any input from your clients.

 

Gizmo is like anyone else, he makes mistakes and he knows that.

One thing I will give him credit for is he does look in these forums and take ideas from them, he has shown that lots of times, especially when it comes to scripting and better ways to go about things he is working on.

I do not think he is one who gets annoyed because people make suggestions of better ways he could go about something he is working on.

 

My suggestion to you rhet, do a little research and find out a little on what you are talking about before you make comments like you have.

 

I'm sorry that you felt insulted. That wasn't my intent whatsoever, but you really shouldn't assume what other people do or don't understand.

I also write code for a living, although not in PHP (and I'd hope that gizmo is not running the backend in PHP since it has been demonstrated to be compromised for years now, most LAMP operations moved to Python years ago). If you are still running in PHP I'd suggest that you do a bit of research into the widespread vulnerabilities in PHP. A quick CVE search found 5,935 vulnerabilities related to PHP as of today. (Python has 251. Perl has 283, despite being vastly older than PHP.)  https://cve.mitre.org

Typically I am writing in bash, Python, Puppet, or Ansible to configure large compute clusters and backend storage involved in research and development (Around 300 nodes and 2.5 petabytes of associated storage). It's a vastly different animal, but it does involve a lot of database queries and a lot of scripting.

 

You try to portray me as less professional than I am here, despite knowing next-to-nothing about me and that is a ton more insulting than anything I said to you. Of course I take input from my users. We do that in requirements meetings and support tickets. What I don't do is let them micromanage my work, if I entertained every researcher's notion of how I'm wrong I'd have no time to actually get my job done. Much the same as if gizmo would entertain every bit of criticism on the forum.

 

My point was not that you have no idea what you're talking about, I'm sure you're quite effective in what you do. My point was that the configuration on the opposite end might be vastly different than what any of us are used to dealing with. I would not know how to manage your PHP operation, and I can assure you that you wouldn't know how to manage my research environment. Assuming you can query any database effectively or operate in any environment without understanding the associated data structures and methodologies is, however, what I would call arrogant.

 

Maybe you do understand exactly what gizmo is doing, but I think if you really wanted to effect change it would be more productive to message gizmo directly, and have a discussion with the person actually handling the code, rather than criticize his work publicly. Otherwise it just looks like you're trying to impress people.


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Posted 11 August 2018 - 01:35 AM

Rob, Giz himself said it will make him money. My guess is that the convenience of just paying for an alt versus creating a new account may increase the number of alts, thus more money. Whereas right now there’s only a few morons paying for two accounts or more:

Rhet, I was waiting for your response as form development most def applies to storing user information as it applies to databases and scripting those databases. So I was a little puzzled at that response.

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 08:13 AM

Why would anyone have more than one account, let alone 10? You get three alts, you can change them as your game play changes. I find I can't spend my xGold and it just builds up and up.


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Posted 11 August 2018 - 08:36 AM

Why would anyone have more than one account, let alone 10? 

 

Why would you even ask such a question?



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Posted 11 August 2018 - 10:30 AM

Why would anyone have more than one account, let alone 10? You get three alts, you can change them as your game play changes. I find I can't spend my xGold and it just builds up and up.

 

If you are feeling generous, you can always buy me profile pic slots ...  I have got to the ridiculously expensive ones now ...  lol

No?  mmm  ...  it was just a hopeful thought   :P



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Posted 11 August 2018 - 10:51 AM

Shouldn't it be Vaughan Rarius buying me rediculously expensive items? Diamonds are a girl's best friend, we are told.


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Posted 11 August 2018 - 12:09 PM

Shouldn't it be Vaughan Rarius buying me rediculously expensive items? Diamonds are a girl's best friend, we are told.

 

Absolutely....  For you

 

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Posted 15 August 2018 - 03:53 AM

i would disagree about the number of people who have multiple accounts, I think its much higher than you think. hell, i happen to know one guy who has 10 and rotates them monthly. i also think 3dx wont make more money because the ones who do have multiple accounts will no longer need to and just stick with one thus not having to pay monthly on it . for 24 dollars you can buy 20k in xgold, thats two alts for pretty much the same price as an account and you can keep them for as long as you want. I would be interested to know if after this has went into place, a year from now what the difference dollar wise it is. I suspect its not going to change, i could be wrong but it would be interesting to know


That’s a lot of damn time on ones hands. Sheesh. It’d be interesting to know. I think it’s more convenient to pay for 24K to buy two slots then another 24K, as you don’t have to make up different email addresses. However, if you buy ten accounts three slots will never be enough.

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Posted 15 August 2018 - 10:16 AM

"right now there’s only a few morons paying for two accounts or more"

Under "morons" I understand that people who cause a trouble. On my opinion it is true. Just few morons cause that troubles. I know a guy who has around 8-10 accounts, but today he doing nothing bad. So, he is not in those very "few" percent.

Just for make it clear.



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Posted 16 August 2018 - 02:41 PM

I've come across a few people that have a lot of accounts, not that I get it but it's their money.  Screwing with people and fucking about with others isn't right.  I don't give a fuck who you are as long as you're honest with me.  It's not hard to figure out who some are they do, say and act the same and that comes across easier than they think.  some catch while others they haven't been around enough don't.



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Posted 17 August 2018 - 02:50 AM

A person with one account can be shady as well and most likely it is. It is not logic to think that  someone who has more than two accounts is really doing something bad. That funny and silly teen logic. 

I said 'he doing nothing bad" it means he doing nothing bad and its not important How would I know. Not someone's business.



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Posted 17 August 2018 - 11:23 PM

So in other words you have no idea unless you are that man or can read minds. Thanks for clarifying, appreciate it

In other words, You have no idea how this can happen. If someone has a lot of accounts, by your logic, it means they`re doing something bad only. Silly teenage logic and after all  it seems like you need help with education, maybe you should be in more situations irl, u know, it`s about experience because there is no more than one variant in your brain. So...If you are "no lifer" just read something in a web. I'm not going to help you. Do it yourself and be well.



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Posted 18 August 2018 - 12:47 AM

People in 3DXChat have different opinions over what is considered shady and what is not, and that it is mainly where the problem is with alts.

Some think, as has been shown in these forums, that doing something on one avi should not reflect on any other avi they have.

Some have come in these forums complaining about being found out, that the crappy things they did on one avi effected their game on another because people had found out they were the same person.

I think a lot of these complaints that Gizmo has had to face about Pandora will likely have been from these people.

I have seen a person be in Sin Club on one avi being good friends with girl in there, where she was in a dispute with someone in local chat.

He logged out and came back in on a different avi and joined in the argument on the other side, saying things that if he had on his 1st avi will have very likely effected his relationship with her.

When I asked him why he was doing that, he said that much, that he didn't want to effect his relationship with her, but wanted to say what he thought.

He saw nothing wrong with that, actually said what she doesn't know won't hurt her.

There are lots of things I have witnessed where people do things with alts that in my opinion are wrong, and in theirs aren't.

I think for that person that has 8 to 10 accounts, 24 to 30 alts, you need to ask yourself, if everyone found out who all of his alts are, would there be no one at all get upset over things he has done.

I tend to doubt that very much.




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