3DXChat streams on Plexstorm

[Heden]

I'm not sure to understand the issue here... What's the problem with broadcasting how our avatar looks, our nickname and even our profile? I see a bit the issue with the photos however, especially if you posted photos without blurring your head. or if something personal in those can be recognized easily...

 

A dedicated room to broadcasters would be welcome and an option for World builders to allow or not broadcasters (so a popup would be displayed when entering saying if broadcast is authorized or not in the room).

[MeiLing]

What about PM, or group chat?

[Rodin]

I'm not sure to understand the issue here... What's the problem with broadcasting how our avatar looks, our nickname and even our profile? I see a bit the issue with the photos however, especially if you posted photos without blurring your head. or if something personal in those can be recognized easily...

 

A dedicated room to broadcasters would be welcome and an option for World builders to allow or not broadcasters (so a popup would be displayed when entering saying if broadcast is authorized or not in the room).

 

If this would be so that this is visible and clear that streaming is allowed in a Location.... fine for me! Delete the Saloon make a stream location and use some locations from the talented builders here weekly or monthly ...we can vote here in a pool which location this could be ! 

What about PM, or group chat?

 

Everything what the streamer (player) is seeing in game is visible and readable for others who join your streaming channel in Plexstorm !!!! Private, local, group, word chat !!!!

[AHT]

Well print screen has been a part of computers since forever. My understanding is some people already screenshot conversations - they have even posted on the forum which is not banned as people keep saying (just trashy) - and I think there is already a thread on this forum dedicated to player videos - I don't recall a brouhaha then so I'm unsure why now.

[Nixxx]

so...when we get something new...we complain....when we dont get anything new...we complain...why are we playing this game?

one of the first things I learned in buissiness school was that the costumer is always right...listen to them...they fill you wallet...

 

maybe the devs would like to think about that?

[LilLauraGER]

simple thing to think, but the streamer can only stream pm s that are wrote personaly with him, he/she cant stream personal talks to for example your lover, So be simply carefull to whom your are talking about something, its easy

[Wizard]

so i can watch on stream how a girl masturbates on webcam while she having sex with  my avi in-game?

cool!

how much this costs?

[LilLauraGER]

so i can watch on stream how a girl masturbates on webcam while she having sex with  my avi in-game?

cool!

how much this costs?

if sthe has a an inpicture camera and streams this lil ""extra"  yes, and it cost nothimg. have fün

[AHT]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!

 

http://3dxforum.com/index.php?/topic/4999-3dxchat-gameplay-videos-by-players/

[Beeatrice]

Seems like we're spyed on for years !!!

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=3dxchat

 

Edit: for the slowest folks, this is irony.

[Leeloo]

The only "good point" for the devs to support the plex thing is that now , everyone know they are watched. (we are supposed to all know that peoples can use youtube or maybe even youporn (who knows) to make videos of the game)

[Beeatrice]

Of course they're using youporn xD

It looks like a big part of the community just found out it was possible to make videos of the game

[Cyra]

Videos fine and dandy. Also most are not including the texts or are just flicks of party or made up as pornvideo. (often with names off)

 

Being livestreamed with the possibility of not knowing it is something totally different to me. This here is a little offtime from reallife for me. Being recorded and streamed for the amusment of some jerks is not what i want!

[Izu.]

This doesn't violate any known law in the west. In fact, as far as I know there's not any legal trouble the streamer could get in trouble for. Some North American laws, such as in Canada and the U.S both allow people the right to record sound, take pictures and even film people without their consent in public places. This extends to video games because there is no actual private or personal information being infringed upon, and can't quite be categorized as "private property". And even then 3DX's ToS says to not include personal information in your profile or username.

 

On the topic of PMs being recorded, this is a no-go as well. As long as the message doesn't contain copyrighted material, it's completely legal to share a "PM". By engaging in a conversation with someone, your words can now be considered "Shared", and generally as long as the information isn't used to defame or embarrass, it doesn't violate western law or 3DX's ToS.

 

This also doesn't fall within' copyright infringement, as 3DX staff is allowing the service to be used on their game. And is legal(ish) as long as you're not charging people to view said service. They've even been promoting youtube videos of the game for a few years now, (Many game developers and companies allow people to upload videos of their games, as it can be viewed as free publicity and a chance to expand their user base). More or less, you shouldn't be including or discussing personal details in the game and if you decide to do it, you should find another platform to discuss it on.

 

http://www.thebowenlawgroup.com/blog/the-legal-risks-of-live-streaming

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-illegal-to-post-screen-shots-of-text-message-2037296.html

[Stellania]

Cheating and Live Drama on Stream

 

OMG! I couldn't have put it any better! LOL!

 

Thanks!

[Lovers]

People will ignore the obvious  ....  There is a big difference between a video and live streaming PRIVATE MESSAGES to a live audience that wants to be entertained and want to comment on that entertainment ..... live !!!!! 

 

And note ... there are incentives for popular live streams, with gifts etc.

 

Look at the examples of videos brought up by some  .... they are not going to make the grade on a site such as Plexstorm ... Even a sex romp without PRIVATE MESSAGES will fail to capture an audience. Anything less and you may as well watch a video.

 

What Plexstorm is after is a sex romp with the PRIVATE MMESSAGES shown so the audience can get involved and comment live .... basically take the piss out of the partner that is unaware that their PRIVATE MESSAGES are being streamed.

 

Unlike videos dotted around, which are unlikely to be seen unless particularly searched for  .... Plexstorm is advertised to every member, everytime that they log onto their 3DXchat account.

 

And as regards copyright  I can assure you that a Private Message is covered by copyright and numerous different privacy laws depending on the territory you reside ..... In some places it is also a felony.

 

If you are ignorant of the law please use google or another search engine, rather than me boring every one with pages of legal documents and case-files, from years of personal experience.

[Izu.]

Incorrect, it's completely legal to publish private messages under U.S federal privacy laws. It states that a conversation held between two parties is owned by both parties and that as long as the information contained isn't used to defame, incriminate or harass it's completely legal to share. The intent to cause harm has to be demonstrated in a court case. The only exception is whether the message contains copyrighted material. I posted two resources in my post that you can look at. 

 

Edited: In the course of European law being applicable, the EU Data Protection and PIPEDA both state that things such as names don't fall under private along with certain parameters such as: Government Facilities that fall in accordance with the Privacy Act, Individuals making use of said information for personal purpose and use, and Organizations which purport that information for journalistic, literary, or artistic use.

 

In the course of what goes in PM's, you should not be disclosing personal details or information. 

[Lovers]

Incorrect, it's completely legal to publish private messages under U.S federal privacy laws. It states that a conversation held in private between two parties is owned by both parties and that as long as the information contained isn't used to defame, incriminate or harass it's completely legal to share. The intent to cause harm has to be demonstrated in a court case. The only exception is whether the message contains copyrighted material. I posted two resources in my post that you can look at. 

 

I am not going to get into the nitty gritty ... but show an actual source to your contention? I recognise some of what you say, but it is taken way out of context 

 

First understand the law before you send unrelated links that do not cover the issue ....  

 

Different juristictions have differences, however most judicial systems are the same on the fundamentals ... or at least those dealt within this thread.

 

I am from the UK, but european law was basically harmonised with :

 

The Copyright Directive (officially the Directive 2001/29/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 22 May 2001 on the harmonisation of certain aspects of copyright and related rights in the information society.

 

But you speak of the USA  ... but their laws are fundametally the same, infact a UK/EU non registered copyright is accepted in the USA.

 

OK I have included a link to one of many the publications on the issue ....  "NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY LAW REVIEW" ...... I chose this because it lays down PM/EMAIL "Copyright" in laymans terms ... 

 

http://nulawreview.org/extralegalrecent/do-not-forward-why-passing-along-an-email-may-constitute-copyright-infringement

 

For those that don't wish to read it all I have taken a section that should clear up the issue  .... If you have a problem understanding this please let me know .... 

 

I. When Are Emails Copyrighted Works?

In order for an email to be a copyrighted work, it must be an “original work of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression . . . .”6 While a one-word email or an email that itself copies a prior work would not itself be “an original work of authorship,” the vast majority of emails of more than a few words meet the low bar for originality described by the Supreme Court in Feist Publications, Inc. v. Rural Telephone Service Company.7 In order to be “fixed in a tangible medium of expression,” a work must be perceivable by people either with or without the aid of a machine.8 Therefore, emails are automatically copyrighted when written, so long as they are sufficiently original to meet the low bar of Feist.9

[Izu.]

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-illegal-to-post-screenshots-of-facebook-mess-2995421.html

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-illegal-to-share-private-text-messages-if-i--3212465.html

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-posting-private-emails-to-a-public-forum-illega-71053.html

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-legal-for-someone-to-forward-a-text-message--1046878.html

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-illegal-to-share-private-text-conversation---3212432.html

 

This is a site where lawyers are asked legal questions, they respond and give their opinion and view of the law. Most if not all of them agree that it's not illegal under U.S law to share a private conversation between two parties.

[Kisha]

Incorrect, it's completely legal to publish private messages under U.S federal privacy laws. It states that a conversation held between two parties is owned by both parties and that as long as the information contained isn't used to defame, incriminate or harass it's completely legal to share. The intent to cause harm has to be demonstrated in a court case. The only exception is whether the message contains copyrighted material. I posted two resources in my post that you can look at. 

 

Edited: In the course of European law being applicable, the EU Data Protection and PIPEDA both state that things such as names don't fall under private along with certain parameters such as: Government Facilities that fall in accordance with the Privacy Act, Individuals making use of said information for personal purpose and use, and Organizations which purport that information for journalistic, literary, or artistic use.

 

In the course of what goes in PM's, you should not be disclosing personal details or information. 

 

 

****as long as the information contained isn't used to defame, incriminate or harass ***** HELLO!!!! this is EXACTLY why people are upset about this!!!! 

[Izu.]

I know, I'm not saying that it's okay for people to do it or even try to use it for this kind of thing. But- it's completely legal for people to share a conversation that they're part of, in fact, law specifically states "It is legal to obtain the contents of a conversation conducted over telephone or radio or private conversation as long as at least one party to the conversation is aware of the recording", meaning the person recording is legally able to do this, because they know about the recording.

 

For this to be applicable in a court of law, the person insinuating that their rights have been infringed upon has the burden of proof and must provide evidence that "defamation, incriminating evidence or harassment" has occurred.

[Lovers]

Well really

 

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-illegal-to-post-screenshots-of-facebook-mess-2995421.html

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-illegal-to-share-private-text-messages-if-i--3212465.html

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-posting-private-emails-to-a-public-forum-illega-71053.html

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-legal-for-someone-to-forward-a-text-message--1046878.html

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-illegal-to-share-private-text-conversation---3212432.html

 

This is a site where lawyers are asked legal questions, they respond and give their opinion and view of the law. Most if not all of them agree that it's not illegal under U.S law to share a private conversation between two parties.

 

 

Well really?  Only one of those links actually deals with the issue of publicly, publishing Private Messages, rather than just forwarding a text from a service that promotes the forwarding of such messages or taking a screenshot from a public venue such as Facebook  ...  

 

And remember there is a big difference between forwarding a text to a friend than making something public 

 

The one relevant link (publishing emails) ..  there were 2 answers:

 

The reviewed, 22 star, litigation lawyer States "This is an invasion of your privacy and can be actionable."

 

An unreviewed lawyer since 2009, with no picture, no contact details, disagrees and sounds like he doesn't know his arm from his elbow.

[Izu.]

Not quite, as with Facebook, you're allowed to privately hold a conversation, (This is exactly what 3dx allows for) which is what those were referring to. And even states that they "Posted" them. 

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-legal-to-share-private-text-messages--3212412.html

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-legal-to-publish-text-messages-online-in-nj--2967927.html

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-illegal-to-repost-private-facebook-messages--2037165.html

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-it-legal-to-share-a-voicemail-that-i-received--471095.html

 

There's plenty more on there if you'd like for me to post them, most if not all of them agree that once you have a conversation with someone both parties are legally able to post or share the contents of the conversation. Regardless of it being either an email, voice mail, private message, text, or anything of the sort, as soon as you share something with another individual it's then owned by both parties unless it falls under any of the points I've already listed.

[Lovers]

I suggest you put in "Copyright email" into google and read all the websites  ..... I Picked the very first website (featured) 

 

https://www.netmanners.com/660/online-copyright-myths/

 

Picked out a relevant section:

 

Online Copyright Myths

 

“E-mail is not copyright protected once it is sent.”

 

E-mail is a written work that once created is copyright protected by the author. This means you cannot post publicly an e-mail sent to you privately. You cannot post private e-mails to your site, to message boards or to your blog without the author’s specific permission to do so.

 

Just because an e-mail was sent to you as a private communication does not mean you then own it and can do with it what you like. In addition, e-mail that is posted to a group of people, on a mailing list or Newsgroup does not make the e-mail available for reposting, copying, or any other use – not without the express and written consent of the author. 

[Izu.]

This is, of course, talking about a situation where fair use isn't applicable and also isn't a conversation held between two parties. Copyright infringement in the use of forwarding emails and storing emails could and more than likely will fall under fair use, as long as it's not being commercialized or being used in a slanderous way or for ill intent. Also- I'd like that website to please cite its source and what statues and states it's referring to.

 

And for all intents and purposes, it still doesn't address the concerns of private messaging in a game.