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#41 Mar Mohan

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 03:15 PM

To be extremely blunt about this topic.  There is no actual way to know who is male and who is female without physically seeing them either in person why because you can even pay people yes women to say they are you for a game.  I have to laugh because I've been on the forum and in game since 2015 even with a break and the same discussion has been happening.  IMVU tried to get people to put in ID information for Age Verification but guess what it doesn't matter because you can take the ID of someone and use that.

There is no way any company is going to force you to be a certain sex on any game nor expect that a certain sex will join.  They aren't going to gear it to one sex they are going to gear it to everyone why because they want money, plain and simple.

Most of the statistics out there aren't accurate because they don't actually question every single person nor does everyone take the survey.  I'm a woman and I'm not going to sit here filling out surveys all day to help get numbers for whatever thing they want the survey for.

This topic had been beat to death so many times that the majority of people who are in game or on here don't care about it.  While you make a thread that is geared to get more interest the bottom line is money and they don't care how they get it.

Trust me I am a real woman, verified with several on here that have seen me on webcam to talk or have spoke to me as well as hearing me when I DJ.  I have met a few people that are on this game but also play others.  I don't need to state I'm something I'm not but anyone with experience can play anything they want without thinking twice, like I could easily play a guy but I choose not to.


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#42 RobT

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 03:18 PM

To be extremely blunt about this topic.  There is no actual way to know who is male and who is female without physically seeing them either in person why because you can even pay people yes women to say they are you for a game.  I have to laugh because I've been on the forum and in game since 2015 even with a break and the same discussion has been happening.  IMVU tried to get people to put in ID information for Age Verification but guess what it doesn't matter because you can take the ID of someone and use that.

There is no way any company is going to force you to be a certain sex on any game nor expect that a certain sex will join.  They aren't going to gear it to one sex they are going to gear it to everyone why because they want money, plain and simple.

Most of the statistics out there aren't accurate because they don't actually question every single person nor does everyone take the survey.  I'm a woman and I'm not going to sit here filling out surveys all day to help get numbers for whatever thing they want the survey for.

This topic had been beat to death so many times that the majority of people who are in game or on here don't care about it.  While you make a thread that is geared to get more interest the bottom line is money and they don't care how they get it.

Trust me I am a real woman, verified with several on here that have seen me on webcam to talk or have spoke to me.  I don't need to state I'm something I'm not but anyone with experience can play anything they want without thinking twice, like I could easily play a guy but I choose not to.

you should play a guy, then you can be my gay bestie


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#43 Anaganda

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 03:35 PM

Okay ignoring the whole discussion about what percentage of the player base is really women...

what I want to know, why do you think 3dx would be a better place with more women?


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 03:43 PM

Well I think they should limit the game to Elvis fans :)


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#45 RobT

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 03:59 PM

Okay ignoring the whole discussion about what percentage of the player base is really women...

what I want to know, why do you think 3dx would be a better place with more women?

she wont answer that, ive asked twice. seems pretty sexist to me



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 04:46 PM

OK let's try and pick up on some of the points raised so far.

 

First off whether or not the women's market is worth looking at.

 

I'm assuming that the current rate of growth of user base, that's not new sign ups, is around a quite respectable 10% per year. I wouldn't have thought it would be much more than that as nowhere seems more crowded at busy times than when I first signed up three years ago. OK there's more places for people to go but all the same 10% is pretty OK.

 

Now to the figures. From the stats I found let's assume the user base is 25% rl female. That is 75% male. Therefore to balance the genders that would mean the user base would need to grow to 150% of its current size if only women signed up. That means a 50% growth - isn't that worth looking at when compared to 10%?

 

Ok this is only an estimate but is good enough for the sake of this discussion.

 

Second, whether a better gender balance in game would be an improvement. I think yes, because behaviour overall would improve. Look at the examples I quoted earlier:- The Presidents Club scandal in the UK, Hen Parties, Stag Parties, Rugby Club antics, several examples where single gender groups, or ones where there is a dominant gender, get involved in poor behaviour. There's more to it than that, I think diversity is important, if only to open ourselves to new ideas and influences. Who wants to get stuck in a rut anyway? We could look at the LBGT market but as that is smaller it would not produce the same growth rate if successfully accessed.

 

Third whether surveys are any use or not. What else have we to go on? It's certainly better than running a business on hunch. The figures I quote are supported by my impressions in game, so I'm reasonably confident. As I said before I think most people would agree that there are far more rl men than rl women playing 3dx. If it were possible to do an anonymous in-game survey we might get a rough idea of how things are here. The people who compile the kind of surveys I quoted from go to great lengths to obtain a sensible sample size because game industry planners use data like that to design and promote new products.

 

Fourth, whether you can tell a player's rl gender from the information in game. I make no secret of it, I think you can. Sometimes it's obvious, sometimes not so. I do think in time as you get to know someone better you get a sense of their gender, amongst other tit bits of information they give out about themselves. Most times it doesn't matter too much, if you get close to soemone it can come to matter a lot for some people.

 

Fifth, whether anybody cares about the topic or not. Several people have contributed so they must do. Sadly not all have been on topic, but we have got a bit of a discussion going so I'm reasonably happy with the way things are going so far. I don't want to dominate things though, other than to try to reply to points raised. It's not about what I think, it is actually about what we, as a community, are able to reach some sort of consensus on. If Gizmo is to pick up on any of it then that's what he'll be looking for, surely?

 

Oh and btw - I don't sit in the forums all the time. I only pop in as and when rl allows.


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 05:20 PM

I’m sorry but this thread seems to serve one purpose and that is to purport your agenda against men. You’ve tried with several threads but as they grow in page numbers it seems to draw out that “men are bad”. Since you assume that the majority of users are men, you can make your points to either change their minds or throw barbs. I can’t be assed to determine which.

The porn industry in general is geared toward men. I’m a woman, I found this game by looking for interactive porn like achat. It served its purpose. I came to get my virtual fuck on. I didn’t expect or need romance. I wanted hard and fast. These are things that might be attributed to men. Which I find offensive the idea that as a woman I must like soft and cuddly, sweet and intimate. I like whatever I’m in the mood for. Yes, I made connections like most long term users and stuck around. The sex part gets boring after a while and you realize you can just watch porn after all.

Now getting to your point, how exactly can 3DX draw more women into the game when it’s primary industry had always been geared toward men? What do you feel are the key things to attract a woman to the game? Is defining these things putting women in a box? Perhaps the same box you accuse men of placing us in? If men placed us in that box would it be wrong?

Maybe Gizmo will take those ideas into consideration to grow the market toward women. However, solutions need to offered if you want to see change. Just going off of behavior is not going to change anything. It just seems more like attacking the play of others. That said, for as long as I’ve been here they don’t seem to care about growing their market in any sense. They seem to like it for what it is. When you look at the other products that they offer and promote, you know exactly what the target is, has been and likely always will be.
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Posted 03 February 2018 - 05:34 PM

Hi everyone and thanks a lot !

It is fun to read all of your comments, either written by males being male, males pretending to be female, women being female or women pretending to be a man, and I won't add tgs to the list ... lol

Rob, I admire you since I met you in game :)

I don't know how you do it but I couldn't find a quarter of the time you spend on the forums and in game ! Tell me your secret :P

As to the topic:

if a guy can't see the difference whether he's playing with a real or a fake woman, who cares then ?

The only thing that is true is that if there were more women envolved in the development of this game, I guess we would have some more attractive features instead of f.i. female clothing that only men can appreciate really.

But since this is a sex game with chat options, that's what we're here for, male or female. And yes, I think RobT is right: as long as it makes money, who cares if it's a monkey, a male or a female that plays ?

Kiss,

Layla


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#49 Ciera

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 06:00 PM

To be honest I don't have any strong ideas as to how to target the market, as Layla says it could be many things from clothes to good places to hang out, maybe tone down the sex thing a bit and pick up on friends and chat. All very vague I know. It's not about me, as I've said before, it's about making things better for everybody. So, even if I did have hard and fast views on what we could do, I'd try and tone it down to draw out other opinions.

 

As to my having an agenda against men, OMG, I'm married to one!!!! He's lovely. Seriously though, some men do the gender a severe disservice, that's not saying some women can't be just as bad. The basis of my discussion is that a gender dominance one way or another is not neccessarily a good thing, as evidenced by my examples. I think we can all find examples of someone's behaviour in game that has pissed us off at sometime and the annoyance has been dealt with using the iggie button. Sadly the iggie button is reactive so the annoyance has already happenned. Of course that begs the question of what, if anything, can be done about it.

 

Camden's point about it not always being clear what women, as a group of individuals, want is good. Personally I prefer a snuggley post and doing my best with chatty sex, but I've never been good at that so I gave up. I find the poses rather giggle worthy and an intrusion rather than an aid. My fun in game is chatting to my friends, and totally random stuff at that. More like meeting up with a group of friends in the pub. That's my approach, I know there'll be quite a lot of people who don't agree, that's fine. I suppose that begs the million pound question - Is it possible to define what women, as a market, want? I think that with a bit of effort it's possible to make a good stab at it. Hence this thread.



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 07:41 PM

btw, just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are bashing anything or anyone. the only one saying anything negative is you guys, trying to tell people they shouldn't post if they dont like it. while i do find fault with taking rumors and acting like they are fact, please direct me to any post where i was attacking in any way. I will wait

 

Correct, that was why I didn't quote you.  I said some will contribute, and some will bash.  One of your next posts was an itemized response to the post, which was a nice contribution. Thanks. 



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 07:47 PM

Personally I think that there is always a sexual undertone in 3DX and that makes it a bad place to just be social with people at least from my prospective. I can see why some might have alts to talk in WC or other places just to avoid being hit on all the time. It does seem like the world editor has moved the game to being a bit more like something like second life. I see rooms now that seem to be just about showcasing a location not just sex or djing. However, I really don't think that it would be possible to change who is playing the game or that they should try to do that, and the way it is marketed clearly shows what they are trying to target. Honestly I have decided long ago to mostly stay to myself with a few good friends I have and mostly avoid making new connects here, since it seems like its mostly not worth it.


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#52 ameliaUK

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 07:55 PM

Of course, I personallty think it would. The why's and wherefores I'll pick up on when, or if, this topic gets going, other than the current user base is at most 10% women. That can't be good can it? As a hint - the Giles Coren column in last saturday's The Times (27th Jan) put it very well, and very amusingly.

While I generally agree with your arguments on the forum, can you please stop quoting from The Times. It’s a right wing piece of Murdoch trash that mainly forty-something men read.

As for ‘respected the world over’ or however you described it - lol no.
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#53 ameliaUK

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 08:05 PM

Ok this is totally weird. I find myself agreeing with RobT. Shit.

Fact is, if the devs were bothered about gender they wouldn’t offer the option to have three alts, with the freedom to choose from male, female or somewhere in-between.

They could impose a one-avi rule and demand verification. But they haven’t, because they clearly don’t feel the need to.

The devs also clearly have their own business model. I may not think it’s the best, judging from the approach they take, but I don’t think anyone is about to change it.
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Posted 03 February 2018 - 08:49 PM

Big smiles to Amelia. You’ve guessed I like the opinion pieces. I might not agree but they they do get me thinking about stuff I might not otherwise. Don’t ask about my taste in music - i’m a total throwback with that.

As to whether we can influence the devs - I hope we can but am not sure. It’s always worth a try.

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 08:58 PM

Who says the women's market has potential? Potential for what, to see a porn game and decide not to play it? Or not even know it exists.


I’ve given enough info for you to follow it up. I felt reasonably happy with the data, but there’s not a lot of it available in the public domain.

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 11:07 PM

I’m sorry but this thread seems to serve one purpose and that is to purport your agenda against men. 

 

That's pretty funny. Actually, her agenda is quite obvious, and it isn't "against men."  She picks controversial topics, says something argument-worthy, and then responds in a reasonable manner to any and all comers.

And, yeah, she can get a little snarky and she does have her own blind spots, as we all do. But in general, she is setting a good example of how to hold an intelligent conversation on a controversial subject in a Forum where there are a lot of people who either troll or jump into conversations with unabashedly holier-than-thou attitudes. 


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 11:22 PM

That's pretty funny. Actually, her agenda is quite obvious, and it isn't "against men."  She picks controversial topics, says something argument-worthy, and then responds in a reasonable manner to any and all comers.
 

so in other words a troll. lol


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 11:23 PM

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 11:30 PM

That's pretty funny. Actually, her agenda is quite obvious, and it isn't "against men."  She picks controversial topics, says something argument-worthy, and then responds in a reasonable manner to any and all comers.
 

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 11:35 PM

Second, whether a better gender balance in game would be an improvement. I think yes, because behaviour overall would improve. 

 

 

I am not convinced that having a more balanced distribution between players who are rl males and rl females would, to use your words, "be an improvement." 

I have been playing this game almost daily for more than four years. It has been a real adventure that has led to enormous personal growth. And given the high value that I place on my experiences--both good and bad--here, I am at a loss as to how to define specific things that would "be an improvement ... because behavior overall would improve." Moreover, I don't think that the examples of bad behavior in real life that you pointed to have any real parallel in 3DX. Stag or hen parties in 3DX are pretty tame stuff, especially since 3DX is one big "party" where social taboos against promiscuity or unusual sex practices are low anyway. So, in contradistinction to real life, a more balanced distribution between the sexes will not necessarily lead to better behavior.

Heck, speaking strictly from my own experience, much of the bad behavior on 3DX--either in-game or on the Forum--comes from both male and female cis-gendered heterosexuals. That obviously is not true in an objective sense, but it has been my experience. 

 




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