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#1 Ciera

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 10:18 AM

I know we've sort of touched upon this in other threads but I don't feel we've really tackled it directly. I'm trying to draw together a number of points in to one thread, hence a new topic. I'm not approaching this from a gender issues point of view either, it's just about trying to make 3dx better for everybody.

 

As I see it the topic revolves around three key questions:-

 

1) Would 3dx Chat be a better place if the user base included a greater proportion of rl women?

 

Of course, I personallty think it would. The why's and wherefores I'll pick up on when, or if, this topic gets going, other than the current user base is at most 10% women. That can't be good can it? As a hint - the Giles Coren column in last saturday's The Times (27th Jan) put it very well, and very amusingly.

 

2) What can we, as current users, do to make the place more welcoming for women, although I suppose anybody really, so they renew? Can we do anything to encourage women to join?

 

In my own mind this boils down to just beng nice to people, and if you can't be nice at least be polite. The consensus from a previous thread was that people stay for friends, so by treating people well they'll be more confident about making friends.

 

As for encouraging more women to join - I suspect word of mouth is good.

 

3) How can we persuade Gizmo that it is worth his while to address the 'women's market' such as it is in all its diverse glory?

 

In a previous thread I brought up the idea that a far greater rate of growth could be achieved by addressing this group of the population. Now that 3DX Chat is looking much more like a mature product, with World Editor, addressing the 'woman's market' is a relatively low cost way of accessing this growth - it's a case of marketing rather than the product itself.

 

I believe that we can use our collective brain muscle to come up with some ace ideas that Gizmo hasn't thought about yet. If we present these ideas in a coherent way he may well think something like 'Oh yes, that's a good one, let's do it'. He also won't feel like it's people telling him to run his business either, although I suppose in a way we would be, but in a nice way I hope.

 

 

 

 


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 11:17 AM

what difference does it make to him if rl women play or not, as long as someone is buying subs really matters very little if they are men, women or small farm animals.

The vast majority of people who quit the game is because the update cycle is too slow or they feel the game isnt supported. Has zero to do with someone being nice or not. Thats what a block button is for. If you dont use it, thats your problem.

Not to mention this is a porn game so the places your allowed to advertise is limited.

All the avi based games have a good number of men pretending to be females. Only reason you know about it here is because its smaller and more open because of wc so things are put in public more.
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Posted 03 February 2018 - 11:55 AM

I will also add that people just think every female here is male, you dont actually know unless you see them in real .  for all anyone knows it could be  80 percent and not 10.  not to mention they have no real way of assuring someone is female and honestly, to do so would be flat out wrong.  the cure to every problem isnt more females


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 12:43 PM

So you’re saying that a faster rate of growth won’t be achieved by removing factors that cause people not to renew?

Are you also saying that a faster rate of growth won’t be achieved by addressing a largely untapped market? Can you justify both of these?

Maybe you’re saying that you think Gizmo reckons things are OK as they are so isn’t really bothered about growing his business faster?

It also seems that you’re saying gender balance is immaterial. I disagree there because I think that large gender imbalance brings about poor behaviour - Giles Cora In his column used The Presidents Club scandal as an example of a male dominated event. We have forum posters giving the other view about hen parties behaving badly at airports. I suppose I should have thought of stag parties instead of the Presidents Club. Either way it’s single, or dominant gender, events with people behaving badly.
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Posted 03 February 2018 - 12:49 PM

So you’re saying that a faster rate of growth won’t be achieved by removing factors that cause people not to renew?

Are you also saying that a faster rate of growth won’t be achieved by addressing a largely untapped market? Can you justify both of these?

Maybe you’re saying that you think Gizmo reckons things are OK as they are so isn’t really bothered about growing his business faster?

It also seems that you’re saying gender balance is immaterial. I disagree there because I think that large gender imbalance brings about poor behaviour - Giles Cora In his column used The Presidents Club scandal as an example of a male dominated event. We have forum posters giving the other view about hen parties behaving badly at airports. I suppose I should have thought of stag parties instead of the Presidents Club. Either way it’s single, or dominant gender, events with people behaving badly.

I could care less about some rag newspaper. this isnt society, its a sex game. you are forced to live in the world, you arent forced to play 3dx. I will say it again, how do you know its not equal in the number of men vs women. Have you visted everyone and asked them to show proof? You are basing it off  rumors and the forums.  A good percentage of people who play the game dont even belong to forums, male and female.


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 12:57 PM

I thought the assumption of 10-20% was based upon actual metrics from SL, which was around 20%?  At least I think that is what has been tossed around here on the forums over the years.  Does that sound familiar?  If true, then I think 10-20% might be a safe assumption here IMO.


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:00 PM

I thought the assumption of 10-20% was based upon actual metrics from SL, which was around 20%?  At least I think that is what has been tossed around here on the forums over the years.  Does that sound familiar?  If true, then I think 10-20% might be a safe assumption here IMO.

you have facts to back that up or just a guess?  the whole basis for the thread is rumor, its based on zero facts. and even if it was correct, how do you propose to get real women to join, have a vagina check?    Outside of that or forcing people to show ids, there is no way to tell. 

 

 we had the ID threads before, 90 percent are fully against it.  you would lose more people then you gain. while that might be good for your agenda, its certainly not good for 3dx,s bottom line.  As far as the SL thing, this is 3dx, not second life. Thats like saying because the crime rate is high in Michigan, its the same in Montana. They are two completely different places. 


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:15 PM

Pay attention hun, See the question marks?  I was asking the question if the SL 20% that has been referenced here on the forums was factual.  Perhaps it isn't... do you know Rob, since you follow the forums closely?  Then I stated my opinion if it was factual.  



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:23 PM

There is no factual evidence that the number of real females is 10, 20 or any percentage. Its a made up number. Mostly due to women having a male alt however that proves nothing. I have a roberta t alt, doesnt mean im female.Just means i have a female alt. Its no different.

 

before you try to "fix" a problem, Might want to make sure such a problem exists

 

 

* before anyone asks, ive said the 20 percent thing before, its not based on fact, just assumptions*


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:29 PM

I agree that I've never seen actual metrics ever published here.  I'll google the SL question.  Thanks.  



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:30 PM

The proportion of women here has been stated in threads before and not been challenged. 10 to 20% is still a small proportion of women. The figure I used was from a survey done in SL at the time I was there. My own experience suggests that it’s about right for 3DX. Anyway I’m talking about in game rather than on the forum.

Is The Times a rag? It’s only the oldest and one of the most respected newspapers world wide.

What do you mean about ID threads? If it’s what I think you mean then it is old hat, this about trying to find some new ideas.

Maybe Rob thinks that seeing as it’s OK for him then it’s OK for everybody. What do people who’ve left the game say?

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:33 PM

My own experience suggests that it’s about right for 3DX. Anyway I’m talking about in game rather than on the forum.

 

so you know these people in real life and know they are male?  If not, you know no such thing, you are assuming.



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:36 PM

Oh and btw - you, Rob, didn’t attempt to answer the questions I put to you. You only said you couldn’t care less. Why post if that’s the case?

I’m hoping we can have a useful discussion here, if you have something useful to say, experience to contribute then please do. I really do want to avoid a slagging match.

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:36 PM

this topic ... again?



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:37 PM

this topic ... again?

see there and im defending  the guys this time!  who would have thunk it



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:42 PM

Oh and btw - you, Rob, didn’t attempt to answer the questions I put to you. You only said you couldn’t care less. Why post if that’s the case?

I’m hoping we can have a useful discussion here, if you have something useful to say, experience to contribute then please do. I really do want to avoid a slagging match.

because i want to post and you are posting assumptions as if they are fact when they are clearly not. 



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:45 PM

by all means post proof that 10-20 percent of females here are male and i will shut up.  as far as that paper being so respected, maybe in the UK. but not everyone here is from the Uk or read UK newspapers. 



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:47 PM

This has inspired me to start my own survey.


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:47 PM

@Rob - your post landed just as I posted mine. You are right to challenge the figures. Maybe Desi can find something out. I’ll take a look myself later. However I think we all get a sense the rl males far outweigh rl females in game.

@Daddyagirl - as I said in my opening post, this is trying to draw some ideas together that have been touched upon elsewhere but not full discussed. If you find it boring then don’t participate.

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:53 PM

It's cool, I have my own survey now. I hope it's as productive as this thread.




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