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Good evening people from 3dx, it's ya boi Henkie with a post of a more serious nature than you're used from me. I've had a thought crossing my mind for a few months now and finally decided to write something about it. The fact that there are no true moderators on 3dx is one of the factors that keeps me on this intriguing game, to think about it the whole "unregulated" nature of the place is one of its main appeals, Of course the site has a few rules that we have to follow, but I have played another game called "Mnfclub" in the past where the rules and moderation was stricter; people being silenced for their thoughts and opinions. It was always the more socially justice seekers that got most attention because of course they were more vocal about their issues: such as having trouble with someone else's opinion.

 

The fact that I can write out my thoughts in a public place with the worst punishment being potentially being ignored by a person is bloody amazing! There are not that many places left where you are able to do this without someone getting majorly offended and calling for a moderators assistance. And in the modern age this number seems to be rapidly increasing, for example there is no rule that prohibits you from enterting a certain gender-restricted room. Yet there is a huge stigma for actually playing the game as its intended purpose, leaving some alienated by the overall experience.

 

I have been talking and discussing with many people who have had different views over the time that I've spent on 3dx, and to this day I still combat any attempt to remove or limit free speech both on the internet and in real life. The lack of moderation has left players to do their own personal moderation in the form of groups and families, which I think should have no place in an environment like this. Only the thought that a person could be prosecuted for pissing a member of a group off is what keeps me a little uneasy. There are of course benefits to being part of a larger group than only yourself, such as feeling more accepted especially if you are new to this kinda place, but I still don't support the whole battles I've seen since the very day I first arrived in my purple suit. So to give this little PSA a solid conclusion; The fact that there are no moderators is a good thing and should be kept in place, for it allows creativity and natural balance to run free. If you don't agree with my post, that's fine. You are always welcome to leave whatever thought you are having on this thread, have a good day.

 

 

-Henkie Penkie

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The only moderation I really see these days in 3DX, is of those who do some pretty severe stuff which is understandable and warrants some sort of action taken against it, which is why the game has the rules in place for that reason. Of course people are free to their own opinions and to talk about pretty much anything as long as it does not conclude a breach of the set rules the devs have put in place. That's only my 2 cents on the matter. That if someone does something of a severe nature that is a severe breach of the rules, is really the only time I really see moderation needing to be kicked into gear and that person or people will need to be spoken to.

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Once upon a time, there was an island where all the feelings lived:

 

There was Happiness, Sadness, Knowledge, and all of the others, including Freedom.

 

One day it was announced to the feelings that the island would sink, so they all constructed boats and left.   All that is, except for Freedom.

 

Freedom was the only one who stayed. Freedom wanted to hold out until the last possible moment.

 

When the island had almost sunk, Freedom decided to ask for help.

 

Richness was passing by Freedom in a grand boat.

Freedom asked, "Richness, can you take me with you?"

 

Richness answered, "No, I can't. There is a lot of gold and silver in my boat. There is no place here for you, Freedom"

 

Freedom decided to ask Vanity who was also passing by in a beautiful vessel. "Vanity, please help me!"

"I can't help you, Freedom. You are all wet and might damage my boat," Vanity answered.

 

Sadness was close by so Freedom asked, "Sadness, let me go with you."

"Oh . . . Freedom, I am so sad that I need to be by myself!"

 

Happiness passed by Freedom, too, but Happiness was so happy that it did not even hear when Freedom called out to it.

 

Suddenly, there was a voice, "Come, Freedom, I will take you." It was an Elder.

 

Freedom climbed into the boat and was so blessed and overwhelmed, he forgot to ask the Elder where they were going.

 

When they finally arrived at dry land, the Elder went her own way.

 

Realising how much was owed to the Elder, Freedom asked Knowledge, another Elder nearby, "Who was it that helped me?"

 

"It was Joy," Knowledge answered.

"Joy?" asked Freedom. "But why did Joy help me?"

 

Knowledge smiled and with deep wisdom answered, "Because only Joy is capable of understanding how valuable Freedom is."

 

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This is why I believe in anarchy, to an extent. Copyright, censorship, etc are mostly just ways of controlling others who hurt your feelings.

 

Definition of Copyright:

 

The exclusive right to produce copies and to control an original literary, musical, or artistic work, granted by law for a specified number of years. This has no bearing on anything to do with controling people or peoples hurt feelings. It is about protecting someone's original work from being stolen, reproduced and sold without permission from original creator.

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This is why I believe in anarchy, to an extent. Copyright, censorship, etc are mostly just ways of controlling others who hurt your feelings.

Copyright is intended to protect the property of individuals. I am all for smaller government, to a certain extent. Although I believe we need things like law and the police to protect individuals otherwise chaos ensues. Why would anyone want to create something if someone could just steal your work with no consequences? It is all a very utopian view of the world, everyone just shares and is nice to everyone. Human nature and history shows that never happens. Even the nicest people will turn a blind eye to evils far from home if it somehow benefits them.

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“To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.” ― G.K. Chesterton


“Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage.” ― Winston S. Churchill


“We live in a world in which people are censured, demoted, imprisoned, beheaded, simply because they have opened their mouths, flapped their lips, and vibrated some air. Yes, those vibrations can make us feel sad or stupid or alienated. Tough shit. That's the price of admission to the marketplace of ideas. Hateful, blasphemous, prejudiced, vulgar, rude, or ignorant remarks are the music of a free society, and the relentless patter of idiots is how we know we're in one. When all the words in our public conversation are fair, good, and true, it's time to make a run for the fence.” ― Daniel M. Gilbert

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I can not speak for all nations, but free speech on the internet is missing "The right to bear arms" that protects peoples rights to not listen to an individuals free speech. In real I have never had a issue listening to thinking that wasn't my own because my gun regulates when I choose not listen anymore. It then gives that individual/s the choice to leave me alone. That his/hers free speech is no longer welcome in my presence. The internet forces free speech on the mind & a good internet moderator knows this when they attempt to provide a healthy community for all. As for copyrights. All they do is enslave the creator to a currency they don't have permission to print legally. Cheers all!!!

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If you think that there is no moderation in the game, then you are wrong. The game has Report option and we check it every day. Try to do something really bad, and you will be banned very quickly.

And each player has Ignore option to customize own black list.

 

PS: Also we have Ignore System on the forum  ;)

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I'm not sure why you would think I don't know what copyright is. That's pretty condescending. As a fundamental, copyright is a pretty good thing. It is one of those rules that should not need to be written down if people had decency. I myself am on an artistic career path so I understand the importance of protecting your own work. But so many people take copyright way too far. Sometimes there are actually issues, but too often it just ruins other peoples fun. And sometimes copyright is even exploited to gain an advantage over someone else and destroy them. Matt Hoss vs Ethan Klein, for example. Point is, I know what copyright is. There are better ways of doing it. 

 

Also @gizmo, I don't think he meant there is no moderation whatsoever. But 3dx is relatively light on the moderation side of things. 3dx has a lot more freedom, which is a good thing :)

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I agree the game does not need in game moderators and feel it would be a mistake to have them.

Giving that sort of power to players in the game allows them to dictate terms to everyone else, if that particular player does not like certain people or groups, then it is human nature to have that effect how they moderate any problems.

We all moderate our own games using the ignore system and where we go and people we hang with.

A problem that has persisted in the game are people who enjoy upsetting others games, their game is to be an ass hole and seem to take pride in being the best "worst" at it.

For them the ignore system only works to a certain extent, you yourself can block them and not see what they do but it does not stop them from causing you problems.

Another tool has been promised by Gizmo that will improve things, boot from room will make a difference for when these people are determine to upset events we hold in our own rooms.

It will add something more to the tools we have to be able to moderate our own games.

The best way to prevent these ass holes from creating problems is to make it as hard as possible for them to do so, if they can't stay in a room to cause the trouble then that particular problem is gone.

Another thing I feel still badly needs to be addressed is how these people miss use alts.

When ever this topic is brought up in these forums it always ends up with people defending the right to be able to have alts and retain the anonymity.

I think we all have to realise that the most common 2 words put together in the game, often by the same people that defend alts being kept anonymous, is "Bloody Alts".

Until we find a way where we are able to stop people from not being held accountable for what they do with alts, there will always be trouble created by these ass holes who's game is to just upset others.

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Many people have the wrong idea of what "Free Speech" really means.

 

Free Speech does not mean that you have the right to say anything you want whenever you want with zero consequences.

 

Free Speech simply means you cannot be arrested and/or placed in jail for speaking your mind/opinion. "Free Speech" does not protect you from being fired from your job, kicked out of public or private property,  or other consequences because you may have decided to exercise this right in a selfish way. It also will not protect you from being banned from 3DX if you repeatedly break the rules set forth. It is also expected that people act with a mindset of general courtesy and safety for others because nothing is absolute. For example, if you scream "FIRE" in a movie theater or yell "BOMB" on a plane.. chances are darn good that you will be arrested.

 

With that being said... I am very happy that most of us enjoy having Free Speech.  :)

 

Have a fantastic day!

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Many people have the wrong idea of what "Free Speech" really means.

 

Free Speech does not mean that you have the right to say anything you want whenever you want with zero consequences.

 

Free Speech simply means you cannot be arrested and/or placed in jail for speaking your mind/opinion. "Free Speech" does not protect you from being fired from your job, kicked out of public or private property,  or other consequences because you may have decided to exercise this right in a selfish way. It also will not protect you from being banned from 3DX if you repeatedly break the rules set forth. It is also expected that people act with a mindset of general courtesy and safety for others because nothing is absolute. For example, if you scream "FIRE" in a movie theater or yell "BOMB" on a plane.. chances are darn good that you will be arrested.

 

With that being said... I am very happy that most of us enjoy having Free Speech.  :)

 

Have a fantastic day!

Well said. Cheers!!!

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I am only a few weeks in on a new membership but on the whole I am very impressed with how 3d conduct their moderation.

 

It is light and when needed to be, a ban is no doubt imposed on those that need it, either temporary or permanent.

 

I personally think 3dx have struck the balance perfectly so thank you and bravo to all the moderators.

 

I think the community also conduct themselves very well, at least the ones I have met so far, and the ignore button is a complete stroke of genius whoever created it. The fact it wipes out, not only the ignored persons text but also their toon, so they cant be seen or heard again, works perfectly. No Drama ... yay!!!

 

I have come from a game where the ignore button just stops the written text, so the trolls find great delight in positioning themselves in your face or in your play. Its such a nuisance and in part, one of the reasons why so many of us from there moved here. 

 

We are also adults, after all...  what person wants to be elected a game moderator to hear... he said, she said crap!   and then make decisions that will no doubt upset and impact one side.  The Moderators would just be in a no win situation and eventually become the person we all love to hate until of course, its our turn to air a grievance. 

 

In my opinion and to safeguard such community spirited people, Moderators therefore are not needed in the game - the ignore button and complaint system to report to 3dxchat Support Team is moderation enough. 

 

This site is to enjoy, chill and hopefully make friends.. some with benefits... some not..  so lets have fun..

 
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Ahhh I could care less if there is mods or not. I came in the thread looking for some quality free speech. All I found was people freely speaking. Just more

proof that the term "free speech" is littered in meaning. Cheers!!!

 

Hey Naptime, not meaning to have a go hear, just explain why people have talked about moderators and not just free speech.

The poster had this in his original post.

 

 

I have been talking and discussing with many people who have had different views over the time that I've spent on 3dx, and to this day I still combat any attempt to remove or limit free speech both on the internet and in real life. The lack of moderation has left players to do their own personal moderation in the form of groups and families, which I think should have no place in an environment like this. Only the thought that a person could be prosecuted for pissing a member of a group off is what keeps me a little uneasy. There are of course benefits to being part of a larger group than only yourself, such as feeling more accepted especially if you are new to this kinda place, but I still don't support the whole battles I've seen since the very day I first arrived in my purple suit. So to give this little PSA a solid conclusion; The fact that there are no moderators is a good thing and should be kept in place, for it allows creativity and natural balance to run free. If you don't agree with my post, that's fine. You are always welcome to leave whatever thought you are having on this thread, have a good day.

 

 

-Henkie Penkie

 

So naturally people are going to comment on it.

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Hey Naptime, not meaning to have a go hear, just explain why people have talked about moderators and not just free speech.

The poster had this in his original post.

 

 

 

So naturally people are going to comment on it.

Yes I am aware. I am just not letting my mind wrap around the concept of how free speech is titled to the topic. To explain my thinking on it. It's goes all

political so I generally view free speech as political because it's a bill of right. That said for me to explain myself I would be breaking the rules. Cheers!!!

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I think the community also conduct themselves very well, at least the ones I have met so far, and the ignore button is a complete stroke of genius whoever created it. The fact it wipes out, not only the ignored persons text but also their toon, so they cant be seen or heard again, works perfectly. No Drama ... yay!!!

 

I have come from a game where the ignore button just stops the written text, so the trolls find great delight in positioning themselves in your face or in your play. Its such a nuisance and in part, one of the reasons why so many of us from there moved here. 

 

We are also adults, after all...  what person wants to be elected a game moderator to hear... he said, she said crap!   and then make decisions that will no doubt upset and impact one side.  The Moderators would just be in a no win situation and eventually become the person we all love to hate until of course, its our turn to air a grievance. 

 

In my opinion and to safeguard such community spirited people, Moderators therefore are not needed in the game - the ignore button and complaint system to report to 3dxchat Support Team is moderation enough. 

 

This site is to enjoy, chill and hopefully make friends.. some with benefits... some not..  so lets have fun..

 

I like this post  :wub:

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As far as alts go, why should they have to do anything about them? there is nothing on the internet that doesnt have its good and bad, the answer isnt always get rid of something just because a few dont like it.  People wouldnt have near the problems they do if they didnt treat 3dx as his or her own  personal tinder app. 

 

I didn't say to get rid of alts and I don't think I ever have, only pointing out that they are miss used and quite a lot.

My opinion has always been that alts should be at least made distinctive from main avis, my personal preference would be to have like an account ID shown in all our avis profiles.

People have different ideas of what alts should be able to be used for with lots seeming to think it is to let them have 3 completely separate games, the problem with that though is playing those separate games with the same people in the game.

That is really what needs to be decided, should having 3 alts entitle people to play separate games, be different people around others in the game where they can use these multiple selves to manipulate and upset others.

My opinion on that is no, one account one game, where alts can be used for role playing and such but where people know whos alt it is.

I know people will still make 2nd accounts to do the same thing, but we can't do anything about that and is really a completely separate matter.

The way it is at the moment, it is to easy for people to create another character in the game to be used for things they should not use them for.

Yes iggy can block them all and can let you find out who is behind an alt, but that has proven to allow other problems.

People are to prepared to take the risk of being found out and are often found out, then their own game is destroyed and also has effect on lots of others around them.

There has never been a decent reason given as to why alts should not be shown to belong to an account, but there has been a lot of reasons shown as to why they should be.

 

Edited to add...

Sorry for derailing this thread a little off topic, I will start another thread in a couple of hours, yes yet another thread on alts, so not to derail this one further.

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The original post states disapproval of groups & families that he feels have no place in a game like this, relating it to a moderator's right to censor.  Censorship itself in a private internet space is protected free speech. The game is not your home you do not own it. So if alts are being made to harass this sort of play style then report the harassment. Free speech was never violated. If there is group/guild/corporation of players they have every right to lead their own organization as long they don't breach any TOS agreement. To even mention dev moderation at this point is not relevant because the poster has no credible argument against a privately owned business pertaining to internet rights. So I am sorry but the poster has a right to be offended. If the poster is offended his argument shouldn't be directed at other members because they self censor just like a business does. Cheers!!!

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Censorship itself in a private internet space is protected free speech.

 

Hmm. I find this sentence very hard to understand. By extension, I have found most of this thread difficult to understand. 

 

As JessicaX has mentioned, different people have different understandings of what the term "free speech" means. It is interesting to note that in the US, a person who can prove that what he says is true cannot be convicted of libel or slander. On the other hand, (and someone please correct me if I am wrong) in the UK a person can be convicted of libel or slander even if he can prove that what he says is true, when it can also be show that this "truth" was made public with the intent to defame or to conduct character assassination.

 

When I first joined 3DX, the in-game moderation caused as many problems as it solved, so in that respect, I am glad there is no longer any in-game moderation, despite the fact that I personally was helped by the in-game moderators on more than one occasion.

 

But I don't think that people should confuse the absence of in-game moderation with the protection of free speech. "Protection of free speech" is a legal concept that varies from country to country. So, strictly speaking, free speech is not protected on the Internet. For example, on 3DX, SexDevilGames has the right to determine what is or is not acceptable, as can be easily confirmed by reading http://3dxforum.com/index.php?/topic/1425-3dxchat-community-rules/.

 

So, to return to my original point, the idea that "censorship" is "protected free speech" is an oxymoron and probably not really tenable to people who understand what free speech means in a legal context. On the other hand, the idea that individuals and organizations also have a right to determine what they will or will not allow in their own private groups cannot be denied and is something I also heartily agree with. 

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We are also adults, after all...  what person wants to be elected a game moderator to hear... he said, she said crap!   and then make decisions that will no doubt upset and impact one side.  The Moderators would just be in a no win situation and eventually become the person we all love to hate until of course, its our turn to air a grievance. 

 

 

I come from a position of previously managing a gaming community as a moderator (hundreds of members on a daily basis needing moderator help).

 

This is not how moderation works. Yes, there's he said, she said, but moderators work with the facts. There must be some provided, and if there isn't, then a moderator is at the disadvantage and may not be able to do anything.

 

A moderator is not a magician that solves all personal problems you may have with another player. That is not their role. That's on the individual to conduct themselves in an adult, mature way with others. If that doesn't happen and rules are abused (this counts abusing the reporting system), or someone is not following the community guidelines, then a moderator has the right to take action. 

 

Basically what I'm saying is... A moderator isn't a therapist. They make unbiased decisions based off information given to them. Either by enforcing rules or by making suggestions to resolve a dispute. 

 

I do believe 3DX could benefit from having in-game moderators. It sounds like they have a bad past with them, but that could be moreso for how they were vetted into their positions rather than the system itself.

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