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#101 RobT

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 06:33 AM

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 06:41 AM

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 07:42 AM

Rob, don't apologize. Your facts and your opinions are just as good a part of the conversation. Saya, I respect you as a person, but how you answered back to Rob was NOT in good taste.

 

After everything you said, posting all of the facts you pulled, the MYTHOS of how womanly-oriented you are that blanketed us to feel safe and warm, and how some on this thread praised your knowledgeable information, you answer back to Rob like his opinion didn't matter.

 

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I know Rob's a dick. I've had my thread battles with him. But I respect him more for being honest about shit and not pulling any punches. In fact, I can say I've become better aware of how I write things because of him.

 

Nowhere have I said Rob's opinion did not matter. I said we all have different opinions and we have had a good debate. Rob and I have respect for each other despite having differing opinions. I appreciate Rob for being honest and pulling no punches, in the same way, that I have never shied away from speaking up for what I believe in.

 

What I will say is that dismissing a YouTuber as a "moronic drone" is just wrong. Some people on YouTube do say some pretty idiotic things, but there is also a lot of value in having a hugely diverse range of opinions which has made society more democratic than it has always been rather than turning on the TV, radio, or reading mainstream media where those with the most money and power, this plutocracy controls the message. I highly recommend watching The Red Pill; it is an excellent movie that highlights some very real issues, radical feminists sometimes holding violent protests, trying to get it banned, trying to shut down free speech.

 

The issues run far deeper than radical feminism, but also with capitalism, growing inequality where the richest few set policy. Shutting down free speech in any form is wrong.



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 08:35 AM

Well, if you actually look at the YouTube channel I recommended, they cite every bit of information from news articles, studies and academic papers and journals. It is not just some angry conservative with a bone to pick with women, it is a clearly structured dialogue with real evidence to back it up. Here is a less simplistic view of the "wage gap", which from the 12% figure, it does exist but not because of inherent sexism in the work place. All the links to the articles are in the description of the YouTube video. Men and women are different, it is just simplistic, lazy, and wrong to just label it as sexism.

Maybe capitalism works more in favour of male personalities, or maybe in some places there are some more traditional views which places the man as the main earner due to cultural or religious beliefs. But the gap is closing and it is entirely possible for women in organisations to climb to the very top. They probably make the same sacrificies in family life and work all hours of the day to reach that position in the same way a man would do the same to reach the CEO position or leader of a country.

 

1. Men work longer hours - if true, fair point. But how do we know when it comes to offering overtime, there is not a bias towards first asking male employees, considering the disparity of men occupying management roles in business?

 

2. Men are more likely to ask for raises - interesting point but doesn't address why. Perhaps women feel they are less likely to be successful with their request? I note as an aside, he mentions men also negotiate higher starting salaries. Do they? This point makes the assumption higher starting salaries for men are due to more robust bargaining but maybe employers are more willing to listen to their demands because they are men? Who knows?

 

3. Vacations - in the UK it is common that between five and six weeks paid holiday is offered in work contracts, so this point is less valid in certain countries compared to the US, and wage gaps still exist in the UK. Ditto sick days, which are also paid. In the UK, this factor does not help explain the wage gap.

 

4. Men are more competitive - They hugely outnumber women in applying for bonus-related jobs. What he failed to address is, does this have a positive effect on male earnings or a neutral one? This is a reasonable question considering the pool of such employees is male-dominated and, therefore, there will be male winners and losers from this.

 

5. Men are more likely to takes risks - 'Men are twice as likely to think outside the box and try things that haven't been tried before.' Lol... just lol.... and his rapidly glossed-over point is?

 

6. Women are less interested in pay and are less ambitious - In the article flashed up at this point on the video which he uses to support his assertion, it clearly states in contradiction: 'Though a great deal of research has provided evidence that bias and discrimination give rise to and perpetuate (this) gender disparity...'

 

7. Men retire at a later age - Some relevance, of course... but typically peak earnings are accrued at the middle to latter part of careers, not in the final stage before retirement. Looking at peak earnings is the most reliable parameter.

 

8. Men work more dangerous jobs - Massive assumption that dangerous jobs are paid better, but that's simply not true.

 

9. Men work higher paying jobs - Again, perception... maybe men are simply more likely to be given these jobs? Females tend to specialise in fields which pay less, he claims. Or men are more likely to be given the jobs which pay more? He totally failed to establish the voracity of his claims that this demarcation is a result of women being less ambitious when it comes to pursuing the very highest paid professions. And the 2-1 preference for female applicants over equally-qualified men? One could argue that establishes discrimination, in the fact despite those females who do apply being excellent candidates - and known to employers through stats they are likely to be very good at these jobs - there are still more men occupying these roles than women. Not applying could well be because they know the odds are stacked against, remember the first stage of any high income job is the choice in training - taking years and at a high cost -not the job application.

 

 

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Now, I am not arguing all the observations I make above to be true. I'm just showing how easy it is to interpret stats and build a narrative. I do feel there has been a huge improvement when it comes to sexism in Western society but to argue or even hint it’s been eradicated and this is best reflected in the workplace? Well, I think you’ll largely find men arguing that not women.

 

Finally, he chooses to start this video with an unattributed quote overlayed a stock image (I presume) of a women … ‘I got raped when I was paid less money for doing less work’. Where’s the link to that story? Or was it something invented to set the tone - and the agenda - in the mind of the people watching? That's not journalistic or scientific... it's a political slogan. I know a lot of women who feel the world still reflects sexism but I have met very few who would align themselves to the attitude reflected in the quote at the very beginning. This video - while interesting up to a point and provocative - didn’t impress me one bit.


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Posted 01 June 2017 - 09:11 AM

Fake ..fake.. fake..  I`m the real Wonder Women :)

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 11:25 AM

Where are many reasons why we earn less on average as men. But if you just pick 9 reasons why into a short Youtube video, the video is just good to polarize. The guy is not overall incorrect but it is just not that easy.

 

In Germany we have jobs which are underpaid for what you have to do. For example all social jobs (health- and childcare). Those jobs are mainly excised by women. Why? Well that's a longer story...

 

A man would get the same money for the same job here so will not get paid better. So equality right? Well... but why not more men chose those jobs.

Are we more social and do not care as much as men about money?

Are we more or less forced to do that jobs because they can be practiced as a half-day job?

It is still a fact that more women stay home to care about the kids as men.

Is a good paid management job for example combinable with family? Well yes, if the man stay home, but do he want and does the society accept it? 

and so on and so on....

 

So short answer: Women are less interested in pay and are more social as men

 

I only scratched on the top but you can already see how polemical the short answer is. 

 

 

This is just an example how complicate it is to find an answer to the short question: Why we women are still paid less.



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 12:49 PM

I'm sorry I ever started this thread as a joke....


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Posted 01 June 2017 - 06:06 PM

Hey - and what did i just read?

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 #is robs dick trending? 

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 Ach, "shit" happens Athena^^ as sis Tika is just telling me from the couch... earth is still turning (again)  - just like she already turned the page yesterday  B) life is to short anyway and she 

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 06:17 PM



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 06:47 PM

  

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#111 RobT

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 06:59 PM

Thx for detleting monsterquote - u see - just like for example here http://3dxforum.com/...oman/?p=222819 

 If I would be on a laptop - small screen, i'd shortly, mentally always vomit :o but also on my main 27" -> scroll mania - uk^^ and same for you briana :huh:  thx 2 both and much appreciated and so that you both learn it:

 

1 for Rob

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and 1 for Briana

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 But you know, me and my sometimes big diary pics - should take my personal cup of stfu - but  I also started resizing themnow   I add them - so that mentioned small screeners - wont vomit & wish me 2 hell  ^_^  

 

you could always stop making posts so long :P


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Posted 01 June 2017 - 07:05 PM

     

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 02:20 AM

The girls in my office and I have been talking about different things around equality issues in work places that have around before and others that are still present today.

So I thought I would share one of them with you in here now.

Our receptionist worked in a solicitors office before she came here, she left there because of feeling she was not treated with the same respect as a guy who had started there after her.

She was the last to start there as an office assistant and had been there for almost a year, there were 2 other girls that had been there longer than her and she received tasks that were always passed down to the last to start.

Tasks like making coffees, getting the lunches and running errands.

Before she left a guy was employed, he was 2 years younger than her and his grades form his school were far under what she had achieved.

They had wanted another assistant, but he was started as an office clerk.

If it had been another girl her and the other girls were all sure she will have been employed as an office assistant.

She had to show him the job, help with his training, and also the usual passing of the coffee making, getting the lunches and running the errands remained with her.

The normal passing it on to the last employed did not apply.

His duties were very much the same as any of the girls that were there as office assistants.

She put up with that but when she found out he was getting paid more than her she quit.


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Posted 02 June 2017 - 03:09 AM

I think its fair to say it goes on, anyone who says otherwise has ones head buried in the sand or is out of touch with reality. While is has gotten better over the years to say it doesnt exist is foolish. just because something is better doesnt mean its currently good. if my girlfriend cheated on me 4 times a day two years ago but now she only does it once, its getting better but at the end of the day shes still fucking around ( using an example)


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Posted 02 June 2017 - 06:05 AM

Eeeeehhh .. refusing to acknowledge there is still a problem, is part of the problem.

Just like those who claim racism is history, some claim sexism is. Both are very much alive, to whatever degree each and everyone perceives it or not.

 

Next thing you know, someone will say that climate change doesn't exist either... oh wait... nvm :lol:


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Posted 02 June 2017 - 07:05 AM

The girls in my office and I have been talking about different things around equality issues in work places that have around before and others that are still present today.

So I thought I would share one of them with you in here now.

Our receptionist worked in a solicitors office before she came here, she left there because of feeling she was not treated with the same respect as a guy who had started there after her.

She was the last to start there as an office assistant and had been there for almost a year, there were 2 other girls that had been there longer than her and she received tasks that were always passed down to the last to start.

Tasks like making coffees, getting the lunches and running errands.

Before she left a guy was employed, he was 2 years younger than her and his grades form his school were far under what she had achieved.

They had wanted another assistant, but he was started as an office clerk.

If it had been another girl her and the other girls were all sure she will have been employed as an office assistant.

She had to show him the job, help with his training, and also the usual passing of the coffee making, getting the lunches and running the errands remained with her.

The normal passing it on to the last employed did not apply.

His duties were very much the same as any of the girls that were there as office assistants.

She put up with that but when she found out he was getting paid more than her she quit.

 

This is something that should not happen today, sad that it still happen. In my last company I had to negotiate my salary. As I discovered that a guy was paid better than me, I asked for more money and I got it.

But this is only an example. We all can only share our own experiences. 

 

Oh and yes a lot of men are still sexist as hell... they think we only wait to be laid flat by them... they totally overestimate their look and charm... and also their skills... maybe that's why they seems to be better in salary negotiation.

 

Sexism or racism in the head of some will still exist for a long time but it is a beginning if we blot it out of our societies. 




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