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Posted 29 May 2017 - 10:04 AM

Trying to work out how I really feel about all this.

Firstly it is something I do not agree with, why open it only to women, I know it was done as a marketing ploy but the way I see it, it is in a sense actually using women to do so.

Exploiting how some women do feel and promoting the division that use to exist and in most countries now does not.

 

Having said that I have to confess that I own a company, well a partner in that company, where all of our employees are women.

That was not done as a sexist act, or in any way saying anything against guys.

It just happened, the 1st 4 we employed were females, the reason being they were the ones that were best qualified and suited to the job, not based on their gender but on how they presented themselves and their ability to do what we needed.

The field we are in is rather dominated by females, at uni we out numbered guys by more than 3 to 1.

In the time I interviewed people only 2 guys applied, one was not qualitied and the other left me feeling he thought because he was a guy he would be able to show us all how to do things, just seemed to have an attitude that wouldn't suite.

When we decided to expand to more than 4, the girls asked if we could keep it as all girls, as it just made for such a better work environment, again not meaning to be sexist, just that it seemed to work, and we decided to keep it that way.

Plus I think it will have been hard for a guy to feel comfortable anyway, 2 women owners and the other 4 employees all being girls.

We now have 7 graphic artists and a receptionist, all girls and none are lesbians, not that they wouldn't be welcome, just turned out that way.

The oldest is 31, except for my partner who is older, and it is just a very fun place to work.

Lol, I have to admit we joked around when we decided to have a receptionist, come office clerk, come coffee getter, that we should get a guy for that, but none of us were really serious and all thought it would be a tough job for a guy to handle.

Not that a guy couldn't do it, just he would be really badly out numbered and would cop a lot of shit.

 

I have mentioned all this as I do feel there are places where it is needed where guys can do their thing and girls can do theirs.

My bf has a guys night most Tuesday nights where they go play pool, no girls allowed and I think that is fine and feel they do need that time.

My company just seems to work so well the way it is and I feel certain there is other companies that have all males and works just as well.

 

But when it comes to this, opening a movie to only girls, I just feel that is wrong, especially when it was done by guys.


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 10:18 AM

Trying to work out how I really feel about all this.

Firstly it is something I do not agree with, why open it only to women, I know it was done as a marketing ploy but the way I see it, it is in a sense actually using women to do so.

Exploiting how some women do feel and promoting the division that use to exist and in most countries now does not.

 

Having said that I have to confess that I own a company, well a partner in that company, where all of our employees are women.

That was not done as a sexist act, or in any way saying anything against guys.

It just happened, the 1st 4 we employed were females, the reason being they were the ones that were best qualified and suited to the job, not based on their gender but on how they presented themselves and their ability to do what we needed.

The field we are in is rather dominated by females, at uni we out numbered guys by more than 3 to 1.

In the time I interviewed people only 2 guys applied, one was not qualitied and the other left me feeling he thought because he was a guy he would be able to show us all how to do things, just seemed to have an attitude that wouldn't suite.

When we decided to expand to more than 4, the girls asked if we could keep it as all girls, as it just made for such a better work environment, again not meaning to be sexist, just that it seemed to work, and we decided to keep it that way.

Plus I think it will have been hard for a guy to feel comfortable anyway, 2 women owners and the other 4 employees all being girls.

We now have 7 graphic artists and a receptionist, all girls and none are lesbians, not that they wouldn't be welcome, just turned out that way.

The oldest is 31, except for my partner who is older, and it is just a very fun place to work.

Lol, I have to admit we joked around when we decided to have a receptionist, come office clerk, come coffee getter, that we should get a guy for that, but none of us were really serious and all thought it would be a tough job for a guy to handle.

Not that a guy couldn't do it, just he would be really badly out numbered and would cop a lot of shit.

 

I have mentioned all this as I do feel there are places where it is needed where guys can do their thing and girls can do theirs.

My bf has a guys night most Tuesday nights where they go play pool, no girls allowed and I think that is fine and feel they do need that time.

My company just seems to work so well the way it is and I feel certain there is other companies that have all males and works just as well.

 

But when it comes to this, opening a movie to only girls, I just feel that is wrong, especially when it was done by guys.

 

Interesting take on things, Twigster.

 

I guess I feel if gender equality is as robust as it appears to be in 2017, we shouldn't feel its progress is threatened by a crass marketing strategy such as the one for this film. And likewise, if more is made of this publicity stunt than is warranted -  kinda turning it into a meaningful protest against sexism - then maybe things haven't progressed as much as we thought.

 

PS: I make a mean cup of coffee...


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 10:26 AM

AnyNameWillDo "PS: I make a mean cup of coffee..."

 

I like mine with cream and with a little honey thank you in advance β™‘


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 10:39 AM

hmmm Twiggy, I know the opposite side, means I work in a male dominated area. If you give no guy the chance to prove himself to be the best for a job in your company than this is discriminating. Sorry you can't compare this with a guys / girls only night.

 

There will be always jobs more preferred by men or women but we should not fence them off against the other gender. Even in our west culture nowadays their are still borders between both sexes (or all sexes ^^) We should tear them down.

 

I for myself never do girls only nights since it is much more fun to have a mixed party. But of cause without assholes or old-fashioned people :)


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 10:48 AM

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I like mine with cream and with a little honey thank you in advance β™‘

 

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 11:56 AM

I don't like this at all.

This is what the equality between the genders ruins and destroys.

Yes, men discriminated us women. BUT not this generation.

We live in a generation where equality get's more and more into the heads and shit like that just ruins that.

 

Why you want to do the same things what men did to us? It makes no sense for me.

It only will end in war between genders.

 

And this is not the last thing. I hate it if women come to me and says "The men has to do the first step, has to care for his family."

This is bullshit (sorry). Women also have to care for the family and pay the bills.

Equality doesn't only have to come from the men but also from the women.

 

And last thing, what you wrote there Athena. "Cry like women". Why men aren't allowed to complain about thing what they don't like? We do it all the time.

 

"Not this Generation"...So this is why women in NZ still get paid 30% less for the same exact job? I was raised in a male oriented religion. My Gamma had more bible knowledge (Jehovah's Witness) than any of the priests or elders. When I asked why she wasn't an Elder...ANSWER: Because women are not allowed to be Elders, I'm in 'this' generation. But I was only taught how to cook, clean, sew, do laundry and serve a future 'husband', the old "Barefoot and Pregnant in the Kitchen" attitude I though went out after the 50's. And this is still going on..TODAY... And I was using the 'Cry like a Woman" reference sarcastically because that what men say when they want to insult someone. When I claimed my preference in life I was outcast from everyone (even my own family) because I dared to go against what Men have decried.

 

Just recently in the USA... Pretty much the only reason Trump was elected was for one reason, they had no choice...The MALE population could not put up with a Woman President. Britain had a woman prime mister (equal to President) for years, Here in NZ we had a woman prime minister for 14 years. As long as the "Powers That Be" are Men (which is Forever). There will never be equality in the world. In some places in the world if a woman shows her face or hair she is publicly whipped. There is your equality. So don't piss on me and tell me its raining.



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Posted 29 May 2017 - 12:02 PM

Chloe, I am not discriminating at all, the 1st 4 positions were all open to male or female, it just turned out that all the ones that were best qualified and better for the job happened to be girls.

The decision was made from there as it is what the present employees asked for and employing 1 guy in a workplace full of girls could present other problems, making it so a girl would be better suited for the position.

When I employ a person I need to be able to consider all aspects of what it would mean to employ that person.

I had to respect what the girls said, they gave good reasons for wanting to keep it the way it was.

I also had to consider what it would be like for a guy to start, sexual harassment was a real possibility, not for the girls, but for any guy that started.

It was obvious that a girl would fit in better than a guy, less likelihood of problems and for the girls already employed they liked not having to deal with the problems that are so often present in mixed work places.

I also feel that is something that is being well over done, a lot of what is called gender discrimination is not, it is a matter of preference and if an owner of a company has a preference to fill a certain job with a particular gender they should be able to.

Why should a company be forced to employ a female to fill a job that requires physical strength when a male is obviously better suited for that.

Why should I be forced to employ a male over a female when my staff have expressed they would prefer a female and I can see that employing a male may create problems.

And I will say here that if it happened that my staff had ended up all males and they asked the same thing, I will have given that the same respect.


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 12:15 PM

"Not this Generation"...So this is why women in NZ still get paid 30% less for the same exact job? I was raised in a male oriented religion. My Gamma had more bible knowledge (Jehovah's Witness) than any of the priests or elders. When I asked why she wasn't an Elder...ANSWER: Because women are not allowed to be Elders, I'm in 'this' generation. But I was only taught how to cook, clean, sew, do laundry and serve a future 'husband', the old "Barefoot and Pregnant in the Kitchen" attitude I though went out after the 50's. And this is still going on..TODAY... And I was using the 'Cry like a Woman" reference sarcastically because that what men say when they want to insult someone. When I claimed my preference in life I was outcast from everyone (even my own family) because I dared to go against what Men have decried.

 

Just recently in the USA... Pretty much the only reason Trump was elected was for one reason, they had no choice...The MALE population could not put up with a Woman President. Britain had a woman prime mister (equal to President) for years, Here in NZ we had a woman prime minister for 14 years. As long as the "Powers That Be" are Men (which is Forever). There will never be equality in the world. In some places in the world if a woman shows her face or hair she is publicly whipped. There is your equality. So don't piss on me and tell me its raining.

Okay first, I am sorry to hear that you were treated like that. It's a shame in our time that such bullshit still happens.

And then don't get rude on me ok? I only want to discuss with you that discriminate men is not good for equality.

Someone have to start with it, or it will go on and on. Do you want your kids to be treated like that? I guess not.

We all should show our childrens that this is not the way.

 

And you should have read my second post on this. I know that some countrys and familys are still that behind of time.

But it grows the equality of genders.

 

That Trump was elected for president is for two reasons:

First: Clinton i a great feminist and a sexism person.

And second: Trump said what the people wanted to hear. That's why he was elected.

It has nothing to do with gender. Maybe for some stupid men, like I said. There are still some idiots who think women has to stand in the kitchen.

But most people in the USA just voted blindly for him.

(Lil edit here: Even women voted for him, because they didn't wanted such a sexism person as clinton is)

 

So please, don't hate all males and try to insult them. There are some idiots, but there are also many great guys who would treat you normal.

And if you want to discriminate men, you are nothing better than a men who discriminated you.

I can understand if you have revenge in your heart, but that is not the right way. As i said earlier. Revenge only follows with more revenge.


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 12:19 PM

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And if you want to discriminate men, you are nothing better than a men who discriminated you.
I can understand if you have revenge in your heart, but that is not the right way. As i said earlier. Revenge only follows with more revenge.

 

 

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 12:25 PM

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 12:33 PM

Chloe, I am not discriminating at all, the 1st 4 positions were all open to male or female, it just turned out that all the ones that were best qualified and better for the job happened to be girls.

The decision was made from there as it is what the present employees asked for and employing 1 guy in a workplace full of girls could present other problems, making it so a girl would be better suited for the position.

When I employ a person I need to be able to consider all aspects of what it would mean to employ that person.

I had to respect what the girls said, they gave good reasons for wanting to keep it the way it was.

I also had to consider what it would be like for a guy to start, sexual harassment was a real possibility, not for the girls, but for any guy that started.

It was obvious that a girl would fit in better than a guy, less likelihood of problems and for the girls already employed they liked not having to deal with the problems that are so often present in mixed work places.

I also feel that is something that is being well over done, a lot of what is called gender discrimination is not, it is a matter of preference and if an owner of a company has a preference to fill a certain job with a particular gender they should be able to.

Why should a company be forced to employ a female to fill a job that requires physical strength when a male is obviously better suited for that.

Why should I be forced to employ a male over a female when my staff have expressed they would prefer a female and I can see that employing a male may create problems.

And I will say here that if it happened that my staff had ended up all males and they asked the same thing, I will have given that the same respect.

 

You should always try to find the best persons for your business. But it is a small ridge. Try to imagine the same situation with switched roles.

Of cause an employee need the qualification and also the physical condition to do a job. This is not discrimination. 


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 12:37 PM

/me walks into the thread wearing just an apron embossed with comically exaggerated abs and asks all the other girls what they're drinking. Walks out again.... backwards. Damn thong....

 

Always make sure - you have the right apron ... for the correct situation  B) 

 

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 01:04 PM

Sitting in a dark room, to watch a movie and not talking to anybody...  who cares if it's guys or girls sitting in the room, as long as they just let you watch the movie and don't make too much noise eating their snacks  :rolleyes:  :D 

This has nothing to do with sexism or feminism, it's nothing but creating a buzz over something stupid. Guess it worked :P

 

 

Next week : A popular Texas movie theatre that doesn't shy from controversy decided to turn a screening of the new Alien movie into a jam-packed celebration with a single rule: "No humans allowed." :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 01:25 PM

While we are on the subject of sexism and discrimination there is something I feel is worth mentioning.

Lately I have seen rooms opened with names like...

Lesbian nude beach, no cocks welcome.

And there has always been the girls only and futas only rooms around.

Very little seems to get said about these rooms, and I don't think there should be either, it gives the different genders a place of their own where they can go and not have to deal with things they have to in other places.

I also feel it is needed, places people can go where their own tastes in things are catered for.

I once tried to start a speed dating room, and because the 1st one was going to be for heterosexuals there was a hell of a backlash.

Also I am pretty sure if a room was opened saying heterosexuals only there would still be the same reaction.

So while we are talking about discrimination and sexism I think people need to consider who may be getting discriminated against in our game.



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Posted 29 May 2017 - 01:31 PM

 

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 01:53 PM

While we are on the subject of sexism and discrimination there is something I feel is worth mentioning.

Lately I have seen rooms opened with names like...

Lesbian nude beach, no cocks welcome.

And there has always been the girls only and futas only rooms around.

Very little seems to get said about these rooms, and I don't think there should be either, it gives the different genders a place of their own where they can go and not have to deal with things they have to in other places.

I also feel it is needed, places people can go where their own tastes in things are catered for.

I once tried to start a speed dating room, and because the 1st one was going to be for heterosexuals there was a hell of a backlash.

Also I am pretty sure if a room was opened saying heterosexuals only there would still be the same reaction.

So while we are talking about discrimination and sexism I think people need to consider who may be getting discriminated against in our game

 

Edited: Misinterpretted due to skim reading while cooking αƒš(Β΄Ϊ‘`αƒš) lol

 

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 02:06 PM

This is now getting silly. Do you mean to tell me you feel discriminated against because for example a room created for the gay men community does not welcome you to enter it?

It's time to get real and gain some perspective. Stop derailing the intial discussion with useless drama escalation of frankly something irrelevant.

This is a sex game where people will naturally want to seek out others of their orientation.

 

If you witch hunt hard enough you will find something and anything to label "Discriminatory". What is a crime is the real issue is lost behind a wall of nonsense.

 

Is that really what you got from that Abbey.

I was pointing out that it could be that heterosexuals are being discriminated against.

You should have been able to see from my comment that I don't care about these rooms being made available for all the other sex orientations, I even said I feel they are needed.

What I was pointing out is that if a heterosexual room of the same type was opened there will be an uproar about it.

I don't care if a room opened for gay men only would not welcome me, I wouldn't want to go anyway.

What I care about is that it seems to be taboo for any heterosexual rooms of the same type to be opened.


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 02:07 PM

I honestly am at a loss for words here reading this and its because I am kind of happy seeing not everyone of the same gender jumping to one side. On one side we have people who may think this is sexist and the other thinking this is the male race getting a taste of their own medicine. In all honesty I find this sexist. I feel like this doesn't do anything but create a bigger divide between the genders. Whether this is a gender issue or even a race issue the idea is if you want equality you shouldn't look to be privileged. If you feel like I am sexist and being bias because I am a male and have never had to experience the struggles that a lot of females in the world had to experience then fine, don't take my advice. Take it from the females who see that this isn't a fair idea, but only a marketing ploy to bring in extra cash and probably shouldn't be in support of the idea for equality. These could be females who may have sons, brothers, husbands, daughters, sisters, etc. Who want to see them all succeed in life and not be held down because of the body they were born with. Your never going to be equal to someone who you think should be lesser then you Athena....


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 02:16 PM

To Twiggy,

 

I see, well just do what you want to. 3dx is a game of choice, it's your room and if your not breaking any terms and conditions rules I would not worry about it.

It seems skim reading a post while cooking is not the best way to get the full post lol β™‘ to you Twiggy.

 

There will always be someone that complains, we all have different views and differing levels of understanding and differing levels of reasoning. Open your room!


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 03:14 PM

Meh im not sure there are enough heterosexuals in game to fill a room .might just be me but seems the bulk of heteros are male from what ive seen. Plenty of bi women however and i love all of you :P
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