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Poll: Character Name Cost (62 member(s) have cast votes)

Should creating a new character still require XGold?

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#41 Sage Stoner

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 08:58 AM

Need another character to roleplay? Don't be lazy. Use the one you have and Barbie/Ken doll that avatar and use your imagination to elevate that scenario up to the next level.

 

Sorry but you are missing the point.

 

A long time ago we had an awesome murder mystery RP event on the yacht in which the participating players were assigned a role and given a series of tasks to perform in acting out a predefined scenario. To do so, we all had to make temporary alts with the names of our assigned characters, so that we knew who the other actors were and could distinguish them from the many spectators who showed up to watch the action.  It was one of the best, most enjoyable events we've ever had here, and it simply cannot be duplicated anymore, unless you can find 10 or 12 players who are willing to pay 10k xgold to make a temporary alt. 

And frankly, I think that is a shame.


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Posted 09 January 2017 - 08:59 AM

Lol...oh I'm usually off topic but rarely purposeful.

I do think it's central to the discussion about making it free again to understand why it was restricted and not sure we know that. From other peeps posts in this thread it sounds like duplicitous behaviour on the part of a minority maybe was the cause. I guess it sounds like on evaluation it's done nothing to stop or reduce that but I think we're all going on heresay on both points.

Edit - the murder mystery event is an excellent example of where it's a major asset for the community and the game experience :)

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 02:40 PM

The Yacht event was a very cool event, a lot of thought and planning went into it and is one of the highlights of my time here in 3DX! I do miss events as grand as that one and would definitely love to see events like that return in the future, perhaps have devs set up these sorts of events maybe to switch up from musical events on special occasions like a Murder case for Halloween or something? Or combined the spooky tunes from the DJs with the spooky event people have planned with devs.  :D Would definitely make the special occasions much more enjoyable and fun!

 

But back on the what the topic was originally about, I think a name checker system would be terrific, and will stop people accidently spending 10,000xGold for getting a name they didn't really want or misspelled etc. It would be a nice thing to have! To give people the chance to get the name they want without risking the loss of their xGold as 10,000 xGold is basically a months worth of logging in and not everyone is going to log in each day and may miss a day and lose out for that month. So +1 from me for a name availability checker!


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Posted 09 January 2017 - 04:32 PM

Yeah, that's me. As anyone can see from my profile pic.

 

And this pretty much sums up what this issue is about. I am not saying that there are no bad apples, but the vast majority of players here have more than one character and are open about who their characters are, but a much smaller group of individuals insists that "alts are mostly for the duplicitous." Thanks so much.

 

 

Just to make a point, where are you getting your statistics that the "Majority of alt users are well behaved and the Smaller group of individuals that use alts are dupilicitous" ?

It's just your opinion like Doll has her opinion. It be nice if the community could have a discussion without attacking each other, see it from each others side.

 

Anyway this is a pointless debate both sides want their own outcome. But I think what the devs did is not brilliant but it was a middle ground.

 

Honestly if you wanted to solve the alt issue have a simple small tag on profiles across account like a lot of mmo's (account name) it would give alt users no paywall

so they could roleplay events to their hearts content and choose any available name for the alt, but also provide transparency.

 

Any one objecting to transparency? would be interesting to hear the reason.

 

I am all for a name checker though, it is silly to have to pay and pay to find out if the name you want is available and make one you like.

 

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 12:41 AM

I'm not a guy, never played a guy, don't even have room to create a guy, and I'm complaining.

 

I'm glad it's very black and white for you, but as most things are life... It's more complicated than you're making it out to be.

It is easy for me, actually.

 

I farmed by time, logging it at 5:30 PM Mountain time to collect my XG, raised enough XG to create a new character, which then, the server checked to see if the name was available, and then I created it.

 

Easy peezy, Japanese-zey. Never said you were a guy, never thought you were one, don't see why you tried to bite my head off because I said that.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 01:03 AM

Sorry but you are missing the point.

 

A long time ago we had an awesome murder mystery RP event on the yacht in which the participating players were assigned a role and given a series of tasks to perform in acting out a predefined scenario. To do so, we all had to make temporary alts with the names of our assigned characters, so that we knew who the other actors were and could distinguish them from the many spectators who showed up to watch the action.  It was one of the best, most enjoyable events we've ever had here, and it simply cannot be duplicated anymore, unless you can find 10 or 12 players who are willing to pay 10k xgold to make a temporary alt. 

And frankly, I think that is a shame.

Ah yes, the days of when Duck Tales played on our standard TV's, we could only make phone calls on a land line, and nostalgia kicks in to high gear.

 

So, let me pose this question.

 

When an actor in Hollywood portrays a character in a movie, they go out of their way to learn their character and stay in character, they memorize their lines precisely and deliver when asked, and then, the movie begins to shoot. That's basically what you're describing here.

 

What you want then, is to create an entirely new body so that you can portray the, 'murder mystery' as it were that is 3dxChat? You couldn't ask the spectators to take a seat in the room, while the actors went about their business portraying the movie?

 

What is it about your avatar that you can't change, much like actors do, about their appearance to help you get in to character? You have the color palette to save your personal hair color, eye color and the sort, right? You're not just, coloring by fly by wire are you?

 

What is it about that particular scenario that you couldn't reproduce again, given a group of well-rounded storytellers? Was the name on top of your avatar really that necessary to keep track of who was what?

 

No, I think you'd much rather keep your initial avatar intact and not have to bother changing the skin color over and over again, change the hair style again and again to comply with the 'role play' you're currently into.

 

A good storyteller uses what they have on hand and portray the best scenario possible. If you feel the need to jump out of bodies, just to fulfill an emptiness you carry when storytelling, then the problem does not lie with a game that has actively destroyed the amount of trolls by having implemented the 10K XG wall.

 

The problem lies in the person who's lazy and would much rather be spoon fed their avatars, rather than practice the true Thespian Motto:

 

"Act well your part; there all the honor lies."

 

And mind you, I was one of those in fierce opposition about having them take away my ability to create as many characters as I wanted to; nay, needed to in order to do storytelling right.

 

But I thought, "Gizmo is not in charge of my imagination. I am."

 

And yes, you can revert to my previous statement and say, "Well, you have three avatars." And this is true, I do. I had to farm the XG for the last two, which in my opinion, are avatars hard earned by patiently abiding my time, rather than log on and create them on the fly, and delete them on the fly.

 

Now, not everyone has that kind of patience, but they should practice that from time to time. And please, correct me if I'm wrong about the whole avatar thing. I'm sure Chris Evans, Liam Neeson and countless other actors and actresses, have other shells they jump into when portraying different characters.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 01:33 AM

And please, correct me if I'm wrong about the whole avatar thing.

 

You are wrong about it to a certain extent. And I did try to explain, but clearly you missed the point.

So I will try one more time: There are some RP situations where coordinating a scenario to be played out by multiple players requires that each participant use an avatar with a specific name. 

Can't say any more simply or more clearly than that.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 03:18 AM

You are wrong about it to a certain extent. And I did try to explain, but clearly you missed the point.

So I will try one more time: There are some RP situations where coordinating a scenario to be played out by multiple players requires that each participant use an avatar with a specific name. 

Can't say any more simply or more clearly than that.

 

"There are some RP situations where coordinating a scenario to be played out by multiple players requires that each participant use an avatar with a specific name."

 

No, I didn't miss the point. I found the right way to explain it. Check it out.

 

It's kind of like muppets in an episode of Sesame Street. You need someone dressed as Elmo or Cookie Monster in order to tell who they are, because otherwise, you can't tell the difference. And they need to have their nickname on top of their heads or else, you can easily get lost.

 

Because I'm sure that the production you all put on had at least, 25 avatars trying to act out the scenario at the same time. It's not like you can expand the chat window to see more of the chat going on. It's not like you can't remember who you are interacting with. But hey, what do I know, right? 

 

But I think I got a little too complicated for you with what I wrote. I'll dumb it down next time. β™₯


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 04:36 AM

I watched my ex wife when the murder mystery production was put on. She is pretty good at following  what is going on, but even she was having trouble keeping up with the pm's from the characters she had to interact with plus also the storyline that was going on between all the characters in local chat, not to mention the people who kept commenting who weren't involved in the production. So yes an alt with the name of the character above their head was a huge help otherwise it would of just been total confusion.

This also came in handy when we had the Cosplay event a few years ago, with limited clothing everyone looked similar, so by creating the alt with name of the character you were portraying, plus a short description in their profile helped pick one person from another.

 

On the point of the topic, I have always believed we do not need three slots, two is ample as you can have your main and then your rp character on the second, while the cost of alts may have deterred some mind fuckers, it has not got rid of the problem, people still create second and even third accounts just to find a way to get at you as I have had happen recently.

But we do need a system where we can see available names, and on that note...does anybody know how long a name is unavailable for when someone leaves? When I created xMaceyx, I had to put the x's each side because Macey on it's own was not available, yet in 3 years I have never seen a Macey on this game.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 04:36 AM

It is easy for me, actually.

 

I farmed by time, logging it at 5:30 PM Mountain time to collect my XG, raised enough XG to create a new character, which then, the server checked to see if the name was available, and then I created it.

 

Easy peezy, Japanese-zey. Never said you were a guy, never thought you were one, don't see why you tried to bite my head off because I said that.

 

Sure, the act alone of pressing buttons to log in is not hard. You're correct.

 

But I think you are taking for granted the dedication and continuous log-ins over a course of time it really requires in order to receive the maximum amount of XGold. In order to obtain 10k XGold fastest (outside of paying money) you MUST log in 36 days straight without gifting anyone or resetting your XGold timing.

 

So yes, it's easy to log in. I don't think that was ever the issue. It's the matter of how long it takes and, personally, how ridiculous it is to even be a cost in its current form. I like the idea of being a cost to delete (under the assumption that we can still use a name verification to check rather than having to create/delete to check).

 

My point with commenting on not being a man, was not because I assumed you thought that of me, Sam, but because I myself am proof that your claim is fallacious. Take that as biting your head off or not; I'm merely stating a fact to an opinion.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 04:56 AM

"There are some RP situations where coordinating a scenario to be played out by multiple players requires that each participant use an avatar with a specific name."

 

No, I didn't miss the point. I found the right way to explain it. Check it out.

 

No, you didn't find the right way to explain it. You basically just said "I don't play the game like that so I don't care about anyone who does want to play the game like that."

 

And believe me, you don't have to dumb it down. Your comments are stupid enough already.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 10:09 PM

Sure, the act alone of pressing buttons to log in is not hard. You're correct.

 

But I think you are taking for granted the dedication and continuous log-ins over a course of time it really requires in order to receive the maximum amount of XGold. In order to obtain 10k XGold fastest (outside of paying money) you MUST log in 36 days straight without gifting anyone or resetting your XGold timing.

 

So yes, it's easy to log in. I don't think that was ever the issue. It's the matter of how long it takes and, personally, how ridiculous it is to even be a cost in its current form. I like the idea of being a cost to delete (under the assumption that we can still use a name verification to check rather than having to create/delete to check).

 

My point with commenting on not being a man, was not because I assumed you thought that of me, Sam, but because I myself am proof that your claim is fallacious. Take that as biting your head off or not; I'm merely stating a fact to an opinion.

 

Okay, let's break this down to see how hard it is to implement what I first mentioned.

 

You say it takes 36 days to accumulate the proper amount of XG to "check" to see if a name is available. If you're a new user, or, you feel you no longer want to play with your old account, you can check right away to see if your name is available. Mind you, we're talking about checking a name here, not creating an avatar.

 

So, we run the program. Check.

Then, we log in after what I would assume, is midnight on the 3DXChat server which for me, is 5:30 PM Mountain Time.

After we log in, we go to our Character Select Screen--

 

Now, it's at this point where we're either a. A new user or b. A regular. New users and new accounts have the option to make a name for their avatar, select whether or not they will decide to play as a man or a woman avatar, and then begin to play. If you're a new user and the intrigue of creating another character excites you, and you've paid the yearly amount, then, 36 days logging in and out is not really that bad.

 

If you're only on for a month, then this is where you make the choice. Will you decide to play as a woman avatar and experience what it's like or, do you play a male avatar and see what the other side is like? Now your character name means something, because for 30 days, you're going to live out that fantasy with your name attached, for better or for worse. It's your choice.

 

Now, for those that are regular players to the game, we continue...

 

You log into your Character Screen, choose your character and either decide to play outright right away, or edit your avatar in Character Edit mode.

When either screen shows up, you click on the Interface Button and lo and behold, there is your 300XG pop up screen.

You then click on the button to collect, and you're done. You have to wait 24 hours to collect another 300XG.

 

NOW, you have a choice to do several things after you have collected your XG. You can choose to play, re-arrange your room or talk to friends. OR, you can choose to log off, go on about the rest of your day because maybe you don't want to play today. It's just not in the cards.

 

For those playing for a month, the grind is real, but the server makes it easy for you. When you collect your XG you have 24 hours to get that same amount again, BUT, you actually have 48 hours to collect again before your XG counter resets back to 100 XG. You collect, wait 24 hours. After 24 hours, 300 XG shows up again. You then have an extra 24 hours to collect before the counter resets.

 

If you're like me, you wait until the server clocks over, you log in, collect, and then close the game. It takes me 10 minutes to do all of that.

 

When you look at this as this, 36 day opus you have to diligently look after, sure, it seems like a daunting task... in order to check a name to see if a name is available. But when you break it down to it's simplest form, you're taking no more than 10 to 15 minutes to farm the XG you need.

 

For the sake of argument, we'll say 15 minutes, broken down over 36 days equals...well, 15 minutes a day, for 36 days. I can find 15 minutes to log in, collect, and leave.

 

Now, for the ridiculousness of having to pay such an absurd amount to create a new avatar, have not the trolls gone away after that policy was implemented? Is this game not the least bit bearable, now that you don't have to worry about people changing avatars like breathing in air?

 

I get it. You don't want to farm. You don't look forward to the grind. Much like a pay for play game, you don't want to have to wait and grind forever just to play as the awesome OP character or have the baddest weapon in the game, but you sure as hell don't want to pay 25 dollars extra out of pocket, atop of the money you already paid for the game to buy it in the first place, just to be happy.

 

My mistake, to check to see if a name is available.

 

And to be honest, our opinions aren't going to change a thing. It will remain 10K XG to create a new character until we beat this horse dead, which it already is.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 10:13 PM

No, you didn't find the right way to explain it. You basically just said "I don't play the game like that so I don't care about anyone who does want to play the game like that."

 

And believe me, you don't have to dumb it down. Your comments are stupid enough already.

 

I'd answer the same way too, with my tail between my legs, if I got my ass handed to me on a platterβ€” twice. β™₯



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 11:03 PM

I'd answer the same way too, with my tail between my legs, if I got my ass handed to me on a platterβ€” twice. β™₯

 

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 02:03 AM

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 02:53 AM

Okay, let's break this down to see how hard it is to implement what I first mentioned.

 

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My mistake, to check to see if a name is available.

 

And to be honest, our opinions aren't going to change a thing. It will remain 10K XG to create a new character until we beat this horse dead, which it already is.

 

I'm not being rude here, but I don't really understand the point you're trying to make? It sounds like you're agreeing with me.

 

So... Indeed, lol.



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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:04 PM

I think it should be FREE but on the other hand they need a way to see if someone is using a ALT. I don't like knowing a troll can just run to a ALT. Or a Lover can have a ALT and cheat.

Now if they want restart then that's fine.



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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:28 PM

not all trolls need a alt to do his bidding...only the cowardly ones do

 

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That's true!



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Posted 13 January 2017 - 06:48 AM

A lower cost would be really nice for roleplay situations like Sage said.  10k takes a crazy long time to accumulate if you are even a moderate gift giver.  Perhaps the devs could try lowering it to say 5k or something and see if the old problems resurface, as even 5k takes a damn long time for some people.

 

The problem of creating a character and naming it before even playing the game is indeed an unfortunate one, I'm guessing most don't realise they will be stuck with it for a very long time, and then having made friends, won't want to change it anyway.


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Posted 14 January 2017 - 08:28 AM

The problem of creating a character and naming it before even playing the game is indeed an unfortunate one, I'm guessing most don't realise they will be stuck with it for a very long time, and then having made friends, won't want to change it anyway.

 

this is a good point and gave me the idea when i read it that it would be nice to have a function there if u can't change a name and keep ur friends, it would be nice at least to be able to import all ur existin friends to a new avi directly somehow or else have the system send bulk friend invites through to them from the new one along with a note on the invite that it is comin from the old name.


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