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#21 Riela

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Posted 07 February 2016 - 08:02 PM

Is anyone here actually a developer? I develop mobile applications for a large company. We would be doing very well if we managed to release a new app every 23 days.

The first step is requirements. The next step design. The next step the developers will have a capacity for a sprint to focus on what they need to work on. Then there is the coding. Then the testing. Then finally the release. There is a whole end to end cycle, not just jump straight into coding, compile and release. There are areas of development like working on back end systems where you can increase the cadence of release with full test driven development and all that other good stuff. But an application like a game, that is not feasible.

Give me some examples of not just sex games but applications like Microsoft Office which get updated more frequently than every 23 days?

People always want new features but what about more major issues like stability, loading issues some people have and the fact that even fairly modern systems will run like a dog with 40+ people in a room? People won't appreciate that though. They want new male clothes or FF poses instead while the underlying core of the game gets worse.

All this takes time, especially changing the whole Unity engine. So while I appreciate people like updates, as I have said before, I would cut the developers some slack. Also magically hiring new people is not an instant fix. Developers have to become familiar with the code. And with all due respect who leaves a stable software development job to work on a sex game? It's not something I would want on my CV or resume.

Sometimes it sounds like I must work for SexGameDevil. I don't. I am just making a stand for developers because I think people are being a bit unreasonable.

I will give you example

 

Darkest dungeon - Game that just came out from early acess on steam. Indie as well.

 

https://steamcommuni...262060/allnews/

 

changelog for darkest dungeon in link above. So you have proof.

Microsoft office doesn't need update daily because that software been out for 20 years have almost all bug polished and is international standard.

Your comparison suck and i don't believe you are developer if you making comparison to world most used product instead of similar indie products such as darkest dungeon or other games on kickstarter / early access with similar sized teams.

 

There also have been barely any bug fix only patches either. The engine is getting upgraded true but this isn't month issue this is year long lasting issue already with slow new content.

Idk you expect that new engine will suddenly make them do 50 new poses and 150 new clothes.

 

Look at the updates ... every few days.

 

Actually most EA that are worth damn are getting updated every few days. Here are your example Sayako.

Not to mention about bugs this game have bugs from 3 years ago such as blinking eyes. Yes there were people that were developers. that miraculously could make same quality clothing 10 pieces in week but they stopped bothering.

 

So I gave you perfectly valid example of one single game on early acess that just came out, If I wanted I could post 10 to 15 more of them that were or came from early access and were all indie based game not triple A top publishing and developing stuff like you used as example.

I wonder what will you say now? Likely nothing as usual when you get facts.

 

I don't think having more than 1 sex pose for my orientation in as you well put sex game, more than once per year is unreasonable. So no people are not unreasonable, or having single piece of clothing once per year speaking of males ofcourse is unreasonable as well.

I think it's perfectly reasonable due to premium price of this game. And please no server argument, servers are dirt cheap.


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 08:08 PM

I think this topic is created in order to humiliate developers.

 

Jowey M, you ask questions, but without respect. What we have done bad to you that you behave in this way?

YOU did not answered single question that was asked in past I think 10 months regarding developing of this game as well you broke promises you wrote here in topics you deleted regarding the updates. 

I am talking about the big topic where you promised you would focus on porting FM poses to FF around this time last year, you posted fancy spreadsheets and promised it will happen, I still do have them in my PC. I can upload them as well.

 

Since then we had got maybe 2 old poses and 2 new ported since then, in that current speed all poses would be ported perhaps in 11 years but since MF gets more updates it wont ever catch up.

Then you deleted the topic so no one else can see it even when it was one of most upvoted in whole forums.

Pretty much every topic that was asking what's up, what happened to promise X. Feedback about Y was totally ignored without single word.

 

I don't want to be mean gizmo, but there was stuff you promised you would focus on and do and instead you deleted the topic and went back on your word. You never asked community what new zone they want or port the poses.

There are people begging each week asking what happened to porting FF poses to FM and for months and almost year it's been silence from your part. Even when you promised you would port them all. But with current speed you cannot port them all in 10 years because you release 5 FM poses by the time we get 1 FF.

Most helpful people quit your forum, people who helped others in technical. Because they see it as " why should they bother, if you don't bother " understand that? Year ago there was way more helpful people on forums. Now it's mostly people who post cat / youtube pictures because people got sick of the lack of communication and broken promises.

 

I think it's your game, and well to be totally honest, you can do what you want with it, I am just saying main hook isn't your fancy graphics but community here and the moment something better comes on the market, everyone gonna jump ship because there's no loyalty or progress at all.


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 08:13 PM

Lisa works on Unity Engine 5. ( It's very long to do ) . Gizmo communicates when he can. But I still think SGD needs more employees. =(. U cant' work alone !! (Not me, but recruit more employee)

 

We must understand the devs . And the devs should understand us.

 

Take Care Everyone

 

Piiouuuuuuu''' :lol:


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 08:33 PM

we need to be patient, and i'm sure the result with unity 5 will be awesome :) 


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 08:53 PM

Guys we love the community and our 3DXChat project. And we do our best to make the game even better.

No need to panic. We are working on a new update and it will be released as soon as possible. I'm sure you will like it.

Thank you for your patience and support!


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 08:56 PM

GIZMO *.*

(Gizmo and the 3DX Community ^o^ (It's a jokeeee !!!))


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 09:01 PM

Guys we love the community and our 3DXChat project. And we do our best to make the game even better.

No need to panic. We are working on a new update and it will be released as soon as possible. I'm sure you will like it.

Thank you for your patience and support!

Again I don't want to be mean but you didn't addressed anything I asked.

 

Could you PLEASE tell us what happened to promise that all FM poses will be ported to FF?

You made it clear last year that all poses going to be ported soon it's been 10 months since then we barely had any new pose.

 

Your silence only makes people hate development team more.

You drop reply like this... which means kinda nothing because you avoid the direct question that was asked.

 

Me amongst many other silent people waited for 10 months since you made that promise and we barely seen anything at all.

Do we need to pay for 5 years to see results of that promise? Don't you think it's bit unfair?

 

Or as usual you are going to dodge the question?

That's pretty unfair... but then you can't wonder why people make topics like this or what general opinion of developers inside the game is.

As someone who paid for 3 years and thousands of gold when it was paid feature. I am disappointed that you won't speak on this matter that's been asked over and over and over again.


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 09:04 PM

Fast or slow. This game has come along nicely in my honest opinion. I wasnt here from the start but from what I ve heard it was very limited from the beginning and has evolved away from that. I always smile when this game is compared to the games developed by other studios with a big publisher like EA behind them. Somehow its like comparing apples and bananas. Both are fruits yeah but very different.

 

I think they do a good job for the size of their dev-team which is obviously small in numbers. Also 3DX stands out from all the other adult games in terms of quality and eye candy. But I guess everyones opinion will be different on that.

 

I have to agree that a lack of communication is a bit sad. We really miss the teasers from Lisa or what you been working on. Slow or not please let us know what you have planned for future releases or what you working on, even if its just small stuff. At the other hand I can understand why you probably discontinued the "Update" thread as there was so much hate and complaints about what has been worked on.

 

Its very hard to please this community and not everyone is happy no matter what you do, but please dont cease communications with us.

 

 

I love 3DXchat. Keep it going :)


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 10:27 PM

Guys we love the community and our 3DXChat project. And we do our best to make the game even better.

No need to panic. We are working on a new update and it will be released as soon as possible. I'm sure you will like it.

Thank you for your patience and support!

 

was it that hard to communicate ?

i guess people have to do something like i did , before you actually communicate , right ?

and where did i attack the devs ? because i said you were on holidays till 2017 ? learn about some sarcasm !


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 11:09 PM

Some Posts in this topic are removed because it changes again in a wrong direction and into personal fights.

Please discuss this topic like adults without bad Language and personal attacks opposite to another players :)

 

Thanks for understanding :)


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 11:19 PM

Why this constant attack on a forum member? Riela has stated her position and we should accept that... as her opinion. 

If you don't understand what she says that is her problem but it appears that you don't believe what she says and that is your problem.

Anyone and their mother is a software developer nowadays. Write a script in SL and you're a developer, hack a room here and you're a developer, create a 3d model and you're a developer..

The point of Jowey's thread was that it is 23 days since the last update (and now it is longer) and nothing but a vague promise of something at some time in the future.

There is no getting round it, that is a long time in 3DXChat terms, let alone for other comparable products.

The fact that there is no obvious plan or, in lieu of that, frequent updates is bad enough but for a developer to make some weird comments about someone who has a perfectly valid complaint is just plain ignorant.

So, they don't like the valid complaint then respond appropriately but the language used and the way it was expressed stinks.

 

Oh and now we have censorship again, lol!


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 11:26 PM

Some Posts in this topic are removed because it changes again in a wrong direction and into personal fights.

Please discuss this topic like adults without bad Language and personal attacks opposite to another players :)

 

Thanks for understanding :)

 

 

Achilles and 3Dx Community ^o^

:wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

https://youtu.be/XJ8S8_O0OYM?t=1m3s

 

 

(Sorry people it's just a joke dont worry, my opinion is really neutral...)

My Previous Message:

We must understand the devs . And the devs should understand us.

I think is really important.

Send ur opinion here but  respect the devs team.

And devs team respect the community.


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 11:30 PM

I am against certain types of net censorship... Here not so much... Here it should be considered good business practice to protect the product & the memberships investments to it... This forum is open to guest bots that just love recording data that run off into RLC or other titles made or unmade of this genre of game... Not to mention is just not a good read for new members who may be interested in joining 3dx...



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Posted 07 February 2016 - 11:38 PM

I do realize that I can form my post in less attacking or perhaps vulgar manner,

But I honestly don't see point because everytime I point something legitimate like the argument Microsoft office vs Darkest Dungeon, vs other indie titles ( example from this page)

There is never follow up but direct attack on being negative instead of discussing the fact further or stating why I am wrong. This is why I cannot take these 2 to 5 people who jump to defence seriously.

 

As for what I did for the game, I made tons of stuff that I listed in the now deleted post mainly. I documented all the bugs in the game with work arounds, fixes etc, full documentations with images and examples. I participated into documentation of bugs in ignore list in 2014, as well used to be one of few people who posted in technical support in 2014 when developers did not participated or replied once per week at best.

 

Most of us stopped doing this work because everytime we asked topic to be pinned on top, asked about fixing the bad stuff etc it went ignored and when something goes ignored for long time, people stop trying.

There were dozens of people on this forum, smarter than me who did their best to help new people work for the game, offered to translate, offered to market, offered to help with moderation or help with basically everything from in game stuff to technical help.

We were all ignored and turned down.

 

That's my unbiased opinion, opinon that many shares and is also result why so many people quit the games or at least forum and refer to it as " cancer ".

If you want active happy playerbase that helps with the game, and not just post cat pictures and youtube videos, you need to show you work on the game as well instead of ignoring every plea every request that in the end would make it more beneficial for your own wallets and not ours.

 

Again that is my opinion, I know many who agree, unfortunately not many of those are active here because they gave up hope that this product can grow into something more wonderful and popular. I know many who disagree but then many disagree for sake of drama or just because they have nothing to do with their time.

 

I don't mind forming normal post without single attack, when there's smart reply following it, smart reply doesn't mean agreeing with me in any sense, but presenting your argument in other way than " You are wrong because I said so and you dont agree with development so you are negative bleh quit game if you don't like it QQ". like most replies towards me are, curiously... from the same 10 ppl all the time.

 

Edit because I can't be bothered at this moment:

I am not going to be circle jerking patting DJs on their back saying how good work their do, fact is this game grows at abysmal rate the population of now compared to year ago is very similar perhaps tiny bit larger, This game have big problems with retention of playerbase. You can disagree all you want but it simple fact when you compared it to the game such as Second Life. If you want to see virtual world, look there.

The fact that game that looks so bad, plays so clunky still had as of 2013 still 1 milion active subscribers compared to what 1000 to 3000 people here. Should speak itself.

We don't know official number but the number can be as low as 500 subs and as high as 3500. My estime would be 1500 but I will never know.

 

Community DJs, people who help here cannot make up for the lack of the content and you can wish all you want, the fact is most older ppl stay for friends and most new people move after month or two.

You can argue that this game grew big in the 4 years they been working on it. Well I can argue with the fact that there are plenty of artist and indie games with similar staff maybe even smaller that made much larger, much more updated games in half of the time, while asking much less than 24 euro / month price tag.

 

This isnt my first game, not my first sex game either, perhaps most of you never played any other game in your life, but if you look around for example on steam and the good games from early acess or kickstarter made by similar sized teams for less budget is outstanding.

Darkest dungeon get updates every few days, at least bug fixes.

Banished game I had sunk 600 hours ( thanks to the modders) was made by 1 single person.

Divinity original sin while kickstarted offers so much content, from indie developer as well.

You can argue about money all you want, but the fact is World of Warcraft / Final fantasy 14 both cost 12 euro per month, this game at least in this part of europe cost 24 euro / month.

Again you can argue there was 2 week sale but most people don't know about it and will pay full price and leave after month.

Not going to bring that devs are clearly working form Russia where salaries and cost of living is X times smaller than in western Europe or USA. So money again should not be issue.

 

The last thing I want to mention, this game have lovely graphics, but the content is just not here, very few areas, poses, sexual or not, character customization, music is pretty much free radio or players.

That's already so much cut slack compared to any other indie game on the market. I will never understand in my life how can anyone protect the devs here except wanting to look good / never playing any other game in their life before.

But at least I do not attack them but bring valid point which get dismissed saying i am negative instead of looking if I am really wrong or right.

 

But let's pretend everything is okay and pat each other on back, because VR is coming and I do firmly believe sooner or later there will be direct competitor with 3dxchat and you will see how fast will everyone flock there when that happens, or you will see weekly updates like similar much cheaper products in game industry offers. You can say I am negative for all you want. I am here for the few friends I do have. Yet I still paid the winter price tag because anything else isn't worth for .. this.

Maybe even what I paid is too much and I would not if I didn't had such amazing friends that I know for over 2 years.

 

We should ask each other, how many people you see playing this game with this rate of growth and content in 5 years?

Do you think the 500 to 3000 people and i doubt there are more subscribers than that. Is this okay / healthy number for 4 year old game that's still in beta? But most ppl looking for sex game already tried it ?

You might thing that  I am negative for the sake of negativness but me and lots of other people wanted to help this game growth market it and were sick of people leaving each month.

There's something that SL / Achat must do right if they can retain people in such number while looking like crap. It's friends yes, but it is also content. RPs have zero tools here, Social have few tools here. Kink communities have no poses. LGBT community  or shemale community is significialy behind compared to MF ones. Character customization is limited and while females look great, Males on other hand lack so much not just in clothing but visual model is off putting, at least for me.

What will happen if there will be game just like this but will update weekly and actually talk to their playerbase?

 

I don't believe it's question of IF but When.

 

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Posted 07 February 2016 - 11:41 PM

Why this constant attack on a forum member? Riela has stated her position and we should accept that...

 

One post was report by a member in this context and it's needed to Moderate all posts in one context in the same direction.

There are two things possible...

Ignore the report and let it unmoderated or moderate all posts in one context ;)


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 11:46 PM

Theres a difference between censorship of opinions and moderating a personal fight.

 

Moderating a personal fight is not censorship.


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Posted 08 February 2016 - 12:43 AM

Well, we'll never know what this was, will we ;)



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 12:44 AM

I believe that the staff is working well. I remember this game when there was nothing: only a room where you invited your partner tet-a-tet.
There are a lot of people who have spent much money to pay for the subscription of streaming server and open rooms to entertain the community.
Those people change the way they view the game. You have people who use their time to animate with live music and others that create RP to entertain you.
This game is not only about updates, clothes and poses. It is a place where you spend time and live your virtual life.
The work that admins, moderators, developers and all players are doing should be rewarded by the new people who come in the game and find a cozy andfull of life world waiting for them.
 
Good job everyone!

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 01:40 AM

Here is some things that are currently being worked up on for the game, as you have asked of this in the original post! :)

Currently redesigning the pose-system (new UI, catergorization, memory optimization loading/unloading animations on the fly), Accelerating the game-load times. Patches with graphic content will be released after the pose-system, same with new re-written scripts etc.


The beginning of the switch to Unity 5 is scheduled for March. Best case scenario.

It will be compiled into a Beta Unity5 Client which will run parrallel to the current Unity4 Client, 2 clients 1 world.

Now this is to help fix the game more effectively of bugs during the transfer it will be spread over a few weeks, each week releasing new Unity5 upgraded features and such and we write the bugs we find of those releases so bugs can be fixed in the game code and new stuff is released and rinse and repeat until the game is stable enough to be a full client release and out of Beta.

Those of you who are worried about "Will Unity5 3DXChat run on my system?" Do not worry. The game will be able to run similarly to how it is now. But there will be new graphical fidelity, new graphical options etc. So there will be advanced graphical selections so you can pick and mix the GFX settings you want that runs best on your system but there will be the default as there is currently Low, Med, High, Very High templates which select it all for you based on that preset gfx option. But because there is going to a lot higher visuals. Some who could play max setting now at a smooth 60fps or above may only get those fps on the new "high" feature rather than max. Just a heads up.

During this Beta testing period a new forum section will be made for Unity5 client which will include, bug finding and things related to the Beta during the period. This is so the critical bugs can be found easier and not flooded with other things. So all things Unity5 client related will be posted in that section of the forum.

But all events and activities etc... Should still be placed in their respective forum.

I hope this sheds some light on the Unity5 platform update for you.

P.s. You will be able to switch between the clients at your leisure until the Unity5 client is fully released and out of Beta. So see it as a public beta test of the new client. But still can use the current client if you want stability and a lot less bugs.

P.p.s Gents clothing will also be worked up on as well for the launch of Unity5 so we'll get more clothes finally woohoo!

Kind Regards
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Posted 08 February 2016 - 01:47 AM

And unity 5  is optimized for Windows 7 / and 10 =)

(C# code is better it's my opinion ^.^)


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