Make the friendlist account wide

[jimmy]

I think they should eliminate having 3 avis and only let everyone have one, the game has become overrun with dudes pretending to be girls now.

[MonsieurJean]

(...) we clearly demonstrated as a community that we aren't mature enough to have this much freedom. (...)

 

This is a sad thing to read...

 

I voted "No" because each time a community want to increase safety it is as the cost of freedom, and I believe strenghten oneself is better that restrain freedom. But reading Riela's post makes me think again about it, and now I wonder if I should delete my vote...

[Guest Twiggy]

Careful people, someone might start thinking there is actually adults in here.

Reading through this thread there has been some really good points made that I agree with completely.

It has been out of control now for some time and keeps getting worse, I think that the people who just want to go in the game and socialize much like they would in any community are slowly dispersing from the game.

Some aren't venturing in much and others have not re subbed, it has just got to be to much trying to deal with all the crap that surrounds everyone in there now.

Yes it is just a game, but that does not mean you have the right to play mind games and create problems for others so you can have your fun.

I could say a lot but most has already been said so I will just add another idea that people could throw around and see what they think.

 

What if we had it so we could nominate not to see 2nd and/or 3rd avis on every ones accounts.

If you set it so you don't want to see the 3rd avi, then all 3rd avis are like being added to iggy, same for 2nd avis.

I know it would mean some people who use their second avi as the main one would not be seen, but maybe it can be made so people can change them (once only) so they have the one they want as their main avi.

Really haven't put a huge amount of thought into it yet but am interested in seeing what people think.

[Euk]

In the game I primarily play, you have the option of seeing people's names one of two ways... With their global account handle, or without.

 

Example:

 

Eukro Gamun vs Eukro Gamun@eukro

 

Role players can choose to not see people's global name if they want to that way. However, people who don't want to date any character played by @eukro, can see what alts I am playing without having to ignore me completely. Which is great for those players you are ok talking to, but just don't really have any desire to get involved with.

 

This means that you can opt into not knowing who is playing other characters while protecting those who still want to know which player is driving other characters. 

 

I am an avid role player myself, and I play vastly different kinds of characters, but I feel like this system is just better for everyone.

[TashaTight]

Careful people, someone might start thinking there is actually adults in here.

Reading through this thread there has been some really good points made that I agree with completely.

It has been out of control now for some time and keeps getting worse, I think that the people who just want to go in the game and socialize much like they would in any community are slowly dispersing from the game.

Some aren't venturing in much and others have not re subbed, it has just got to be to much trying to deal with all the crap that surrounds everyone in there now.

Yes it is just a game, but that does not mean you have the right to play mind games and create problems for others so you can have your fun.

I could say a lot but most has already been said so I will just add another idea that people could throw around and see what they think.

 

What if we had it so we could nominate not to see 2nd and/or 3rd avis on every ones accounts.

If you set it so you don't want to see the 3rd avi, then all 3rd avis are like being added to iggy, same for 2nd avis.

I know it would mean some people who use their second avi as the main one would not be seen, but maybe it can be made so people can change them (once only) so they have the one they want as their main avi.

Really haven't put a huge amount of thought into it yet but am interested in seeing what people think.

 

You sure its entirely this that causing some to un-sub, i can't speak for everyone here so this just my own personal opinion. Think it has as much to do with the flood of click to fuck user sex rooms, at  exclude any need to socialize at all with others for sex. While i am pro everyone should do have fun way they like to be online here, same time i feel game that involves chatting where there no casually socializing too feel a bit empty to me. Been one main factoring in my often consideration if or not to renew, if not because of my 3Dxchat partner here and few close friends i probably wouldn't have.

 

But then again less you actually ask majority those cancelling their subscription, what is their reasons are anything is really just speculation.

[Desirea]

I agree Kimmy. The turnover rate is high if just into avatar sex poses with no mental seduction I would think. A month or two and then it gets old. Those that take the time and effort to build relationships last longer in general. I think Twiggy was probably referring to this latter group mainly. I've been here long enough to see a lot of friends leave, for one reason or another. Some take a break and come back, some do not. I always try to keep in mind that this is marketed as a game, not a social dating site, so I try to set my expectations accordingly. This means people have the freedom to play the game as they wish. With that comes some negatives that have been spoken to numerous times. If this begins to be marketed as a social site, and not a game, then I think some aspects need to change. I will need to adjust my expectations accordingly. I'm just expressing my opinion here, rambling a bit, and I apologize if I've misinterpreted anything previously posted. I've made some mistakes in judgement, but I've also made some good friends here, and so far for me the good outweighs the bad.

[Leeloo]

I think they should eliminate having 3 avis and only let everyone have one, the game has become overrun with dudes pretending to be girls now.

 

This will not change the amount of peoples (men) playing women . I know some old ex friends that have more than one account . The only thing it would change is that the owners of the game would make more money

 

Twiggy and Euk ideas would also create many dramas with maybe the same result than Jimmy idea . Peoples who want to "trick" (maybe) the others will just stop to have more than one avatar per account and will just have 2 or 3 (or more) accounts .

[Elenn]

I'm not sure a lot of people are willing to buy several memberships just to trick the others. They can delete and create another avatar, i think.

[MarMohan]

It's funny how this topic goes...

 

I am not going to list names or anything as it against the rules.

but some of people who says no here are the people that hurt many people due to alts cheated and deceived others.

notice how most of the people who also voted NO doesn't even post...

 

I have not seen single argument why global account ID is bad.

Only seen some " experience "

 

Want mine? In 18 months.. I seen weekly people hurt not because of RPers but because of mean people, all of which could be prevented by global account ID.

Some people would get second account but most can't afford it so yeah it would cut the drama and problems here by half I am certain.

 

Some of the things I seen here -

stalking with alts

dating 2 or 3 people with alts while being exclusive

using fuck alt while deceiving your exclusive partner who trusted them fully

making threats of suicide if their " friend " wouldn't do X while they were running on alts

faking death or large injuries while being on alts fucking randoms.

some people here admitted in chat they are here to ruin other people lives and nothing else. Because it's their idea of fun.

I seen people and I AM not kidding you with over 25 alts or 7 active accounts...

 

 

Remember not everyone have thick skin as you might have,

Some people get hurt easier, some people experienced suicide or stalking etc in real life and you have NO idea what your stupid mind game might do to their health leave them depressed or even worse. You have no idea how horrible experience losing family member, lover or close friend can be. You are worse than those 11 years old kids wishing you cancer in online games. Because at least they are kids and you are responsible adult.

 

admins main responsibility should be safe environment for people anythign that can save drama should be implemented and its not like your real life name gets attached to account or anything so theres no privacy concern at all.

 

You nailed it perfectly as I've seen so much that goes on it amazes me how people can be.

 

Well, 3dxchat is the only sex game I know that allow multiple avatars on the same account and for the same subscription.

 

I tried a few other and it was one avatar per subscription.

 

I think they knew it was trouble and didn't allowed it.

 

There is one game that allows 5 avis and a couple others that have more than one, which there is a lot more control over what happens, but I'll leave it at that.

 

I believe some use an alt to be able to go and just relax after dealing with a mess.  I for one have had my share along with many others.  The abuse runs wild and some people get caught in the mess thanks to others.

[Blackstar]

I'm not sure a lot of people are willing to buy several memberships just to trick the others. They can delete and create another avatar, i think.

not really if you block a person it blocks that whole account .. so the ppl who do it alot have 2 or 3 accounts 

if this game want to progress in a serious way .. then the multpile account and avatar abuse that many ppl are doing needs to be dealt with on some lvl .. its actually hurting the game many many ppl sub for one month learn about this see the shit storms of drama it causes and never resub 

 

i have been a victim of this myself and its a pretty sickening feeling when you find out ... some good friends stopped me from outright cancelling my subs and i stayed around .. i was glad i did and i learned an important lesson from it and its sad to say but be carfull who you trust 

 

going back to 1 avi would make a few ppl scream yes .. but it wouldnt stop it they would just use another account ... another option needs to be looked at i guess 

[TashaTight]

Still think you're gonna find it a hard time to really come problem to life, without one group or the other leaving. Way i see it there two groups always at each other "throats" in what often turn into hot blooded debate, sometimes to degree that require moderation.

 

1. Ones who want transparency see avatars and subscribers as being one same.

 

2. Those who are there avatar and not themselves here(either playing a gender their not, or simply just not acting as themselves mixing their online experience with their outside lives) 

 

It will be a challenge for any developer to make two so different groups of subscribers co-exist, especially if those groups are more into on creating barriers.

[Guest Twiggy]

You sure its entirely this that causing some to un-sub, i can't speak for everyone here so this just my own personal opinion. Think it has as much to do with the flood of click to fuck user sex rooms, at  exclude any need to socialize at all with others for sex. While i am pro everyone should do have fun way they like to be online here, same time i feel game that involves chatting where there no casually socializing too feel a bit empty to me. Been one main factoring in my often consideration if or not to renew, if not because of my 3Dxchat partner here and few close friends i probably wouldn't have.

 

But then again less you actually ask majority those cancelling their subscription, what is their reasons are anything is really just speculation.

 

Yes of course there are other reasons, lots of reasons combined really, but most you can work it back to being caused by the alts and what that is generating.

People don't socialize as much as they used to which has a lot to do with alts, if you look through these forums you will see where people have said things like they don't talk much to new players because they are tired of being hit with alts.

People are sticking to their own small groups, you will see that mentioned in these forums to and people even suggesting that is the way to protect yourself.

The local chats are rarely active, nothing like they used to be, again people are sticking to themselves.

 

There is really just 2 different ways this game is played, you have the gamers and the social players and they don't mix that well.

Gamers will say this is just a game and should be treated that way and play in ways where the social players feel disrespected.

They will do that in ways from very minor things to pretty much anything goes where they have no respect for other players at all who are just looked at as pawns in their game.

To a social player that would sound shocking but I can also see what the players mean, to them it is just a game and feel that is the way everyone should play it.

Social players look more towards the community side of things, they want to treat people and be treated much like people do in real life, they don't want or like the mind games the players do.

 

The way the game is set up is very much for the gamers, there are no rules to suggest it should be played any other way.

So the gamers find it much easier to be happy than the social players and for lots of different reasons more players will stay than social players.

Over the time the game has been active the percentage of players compared to social players has grown because of it.

It has become a game where you have to continually keep your guard up, where you are in many ways forced to play the gamers game.

The social players for some time now have been communicating more through the likes of skype than in the game and when in the game stick to their own little groups.

Sticking to your circle of friends is often suggested in here as the best way to keep yourself out of trouble, so people are only really doing what lots have suggested they do.

So the social side of the game has slowly got worse and worse and won't get any better until something is done.

The devs have to make up their minds what they want, do they want a social aspect in the game or not, do they want it to be just a gamers game, that is something I said a long time ago.

It is the social players that are either not going in much or leaving and that will continue to happen, like me lots have already cancelled their sub.

The game just simply is not that attractive to social players anymore.

The problem that no one seems to recognize is that without the social players it will soon not be that attractive to the players either.

[Ashbash]

Indeed everyone is here for different reasons, some to just play the game in it's sexual form, others to play it, to meet and greet other players and to get to know people and make friends, and be more sociable with the side of the sex stuff if wanted.

 

From what I can gather Twiggy, you believe that the Social Players are slowly diminishing in numbers as time goes on, is that what you mean?

[xMaceyx]

People socialising and not socialising, is not all caused by people using alts. People sticking too and talking to just their friends has been going on long before you came on this game Twiggy. People make friends and stick to them because they are the people they have stuff in common with, much like people do in real life. If someone turned up to a room full of strangers that they didn't know they wouldn't automatically be welcomed into that group with open arms, it would take time with people getting to know them first.

Local chat has  diminished because we now have group chatting, a lot now choose to hang in their rooms so are no longer talking across the room in local they can do it in the privacy of their room.

No offence Twiggy, but you say you want to help this game flourish, but listening to the constant negatives  and complaining in numerous threads, it starting to have the opposite effect.

[Guest Twiggy]

Yes that and that the social aspect is diminishing.

Ok, what we used to see a lot in these forums and in conversations in the game where someone had experienced some sort of problem from things like people using alts, was others would come in and say things like, you have to keep your guard up, be more careful, stick with people you know, stay within your group of friends.

Others would say that they don't talk much with people they don't know as they had experienced to much trouble with people using alts and could never tell if the new person was an alt or not.

The answers always given to any problem is use iggy and a pile of things that could all be put down to (MINIMIZE YOUR SOCIALIZING)

Callista got it right, iggy can only do so much and a problem has to have already been faced before it is used, and what things are creating the problems in the 1st place need to be addressed.

It's fine to say be on guard and do certain things to protect yourself, but most of those things are restricting socializing and that is showing in what is going on in the game.

People are sticking to their own groups, not talking much in local chats, staying in their rooms and a number of other things that can be attributed to keeping themselves out of harms way.

They are really only doing what people have told them they need to do.

As the social side of things is diminishing people who want that in their game are either not venturing in as much as they used to or have left.

I know of quite a lot that have let their sub expire because of being sick of having to keep their guard up and how it has effected the fun in the game.

Ash, how many DJs have told you it is not really worth DJing now as everyone sticks in PMs and group chats and it makes it seem boring.

There has been people saying in these forums that no one talks in local chats anymore and places like sin are dead.

It can all be contributed to the lack of socializing and a large part of that can be contributed to people minimizing their socializing to protect themselves.

 

Oh and just seeing what Macey said, I have been here for 14 months and group chat has always been there and i think was there long before I started.

Local chats used to flourish and that was where the fun was more than anything else, it was how people got to meet each other and kept places like NC and SIN popular.

You have your opinions and that's fine, but I have mine as well, and that is that things need to be done to minimize the problems from happening in the 1st place.

[xMaceyx]

Sin club dead? so I have been in there this morning with at least 25 people in there this was 10 30 am my time, I also was in there last night 10 pm my time about 20 people in there. No different to when I first started this game, as is normal it busy at different times depending on time differences around the world. When people hold events on here plenty turn up and people have a good time, if its boring it's your own doing.

If this place has as many issues as you keep making out there is, well fuck I better not renew at the end of the month and go find that happier place.

[Guest Twiggy]

Macey to be honest I haven't been in SIN club for over a month now so I can't say for sure how it is in there, I am just going on what the couple of dozen of people in the Lets save Sin Club thread are saying.

Hmm, funny how you haven't made a comment in there.

And all I am doing is agreeing with a lot of other people in this thread that there are issues, I just gave my view on how they came about and what it is producing.

If you are happy with things in there that's great, I am honestly really happy for you, but that doesn't mean everyone else should be happy.

It is my view, and a lot of others if you look through this forum, that there are problems that need to be addressed.

There are a lot also that are happy with things the way they are and that is fine for them, but for a lot also, we feel differently and you need to start accepting that.

[xMaceyx]

Well good luck on your crusades Twiggy, I will be sure to point all these desperate people in need of help your way.

Also I don't feel the need to have to post in every thread.

[chaostika]

 

 

we clearly demonstrated as a community that we aren't mature enough to have this much freedom.

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNLCF6eOsRQ

 

...as usual and evrywhere, its always a few, that fuk it up 4 everybody...

 

 

Indeed everyone is here for different reasons, some to just play the game in it's sexual form, others to play it, to meet and greet other players and to get to know people and make friends, and be more sociable with the side of the sex stuff if wanted.

and thats ok and at the end of the day its a vr sexgame and has been programmed as such (at first)! still, u also have a very huge playercount that interacts and connects for social reasons here in the first case also, and as i already had written elsewhere: [i guess we have enough room and space for "both cultures" here in anycase]
 

 

From what I can gather Twiggy, you believe that the Social Players are slowly diminishing in numbers as time goes on, is that what you mean?

in a way id say yes, but also cause of other different reasons like gender issues, altinvasion III, got brain or drama fuked by alt xy, content speed, RL, pregnant lol bla ect pp well ill just quote what dande once wrote:
 

the only reason why this place is not an empty server *** *** censored **** *** honestly is becouse we made connections to other players and it is hard to let them go, that what keeps me coming back here. Take my friends away and i am done with this place in a hearthbeat as i am sure majority of old players feel aswell. I don;t think developers understand at what fragile state this place really is right now

 

 
anyway,dont know what to vote now once its a sword decision (and will SGD even be influenced by a vote of 50-70 pps) besides that really other things up my mind right now and the subject 'alts' is a very, very delicate subject in this game and forum, very delciosa! Euk's idea is on page 3 is also an good idea (if i got it correctly) to handle 'that issue' and i also once had an idea about an other or additional kind of an alt indication in february down below in the picture in the green square. as also writtn there already, its a fact, the "alt-problem" of those ment "brainless mindfuck @ alts.com" is one of the biggest probs or gamebreakers in this game ...atleast for ppl that dont connect just to jerk off on what and who ever...and hey, thats also ok if thats urs! and i DONT mean the duckfuk lol
 

 

 

dont get me wrong, i also have my 2 "main avis" + a "slotalt" meanwhile, and thats no secret. it just depends how u "playem"...just like lots of others...and not as some or as an assho**(s)²
 
i would have givn the pps maybe straight away a other choice:

• standard membership - 1 slot / month $ 16,69
• premium membership - 2 slots (more faces, other stuff, 3 more userhomes bla, and so on) / month $ 29,99
• additional 3rd slot (once) 50k, 4th 75k and so on...if u really want and need mooore surrogates^^
• *new* dont forget the full bdsm package for now only $ 39,99 / month and a chance to win a free altslot muhahaaa *laughs* joking ofc and only here...grrr to fukn long
• and of course modtools with a "shop" and that community self made usercontent hahaa...what else^^

seriously, however, find a solution that pleasures everyone somehow and once we're all gonna maybe get grannies here at 3dx, tell me how far we will be with this issue by, hmmm, spring/summer 2016 then^^
 
hasta luego and have a nice autumn

 

[TashaTight]

Dunno if making a premium option that lets you have more alts gonna be doing anyone any favors, especially since a lot would want to get that anyways if it has additional customization options and content. So you'd still have alts around then.

 

If you really want to reduce alt problems then you probably need either; to entirely remove option for more than one character at a time.

Alternatively like some said before make and ID for account you pick a name for account ID that sticks, then maybe also ontop add limit the amount of times you can change characters during one day, Limit rolling/making/recreating a new avatar to a once par day or week basis(last would make sense since why would need to make a new avatar more than once a week if not once a month arguebly).

 

Another option could be keeping things as they are, let you create up to three avatar like now. But each time you delete one you have to pay maybe 10-20k Xgold to unlock the slot again to make a new avatar in deleted empty character slot. (Or if you wanna go all in brutal make it start at 10k then star to go up or double from there, it would make restarting a new avatar possible, but make remaking new avatars all time a extremely expensive enterprise. That should limit abuse quite a bit)

 

That would make being on alts regularly difficult without extra accounts, but again its always tricky to say what kind of reception such changes will receive by users out there.

[Ashbash]

Yes I do agree, the local chats are a lot more silent than they once were, question is, trying to figure out how to bring the chats back to life, I have noticed usually when a DJ is on or there is an official event a lot of people speak and such than just any normal day, so I am wondering what can be done to bring more life to the public chat channels.

 

Friendlist account wide would require an account id of somekind as people have suggested before in the thread to have a unique account ID to log in with and all avatars are linked to. There is some great ideas here, I do admit, it's wonderful and refreshing to see!

[Leeloo]

An easyer solution would be if you find out that someone is an unrevealed alt , just ignore the alt so you will avoid drama with the main character.

 

But trying to force peoples to "reveal" they are alts in any way you show it ( with colored names or with chaostika solution ) would just result of remove freedom to some peoples to tell or not if they are alts .

 

But it's just my opinion .

 

In any case , this discution will lead nowhere . At the end , peoples who think that alts should be revealed will still think the same , and peoples who think they must not be revealed will still think the same either .

[chaostika]

But trying to force peoples to "reveal" they are alts in any way you show it ( with colored names or with chaostika solution ) would just result of remove freedom to some peoples to tell or not if they are alts

 

it was just and a nother idea of ppl here and did u see Euks? ofc we have to find a solution that suits "BOTH parties" so ALL are satisfied and EVERYBODY can enjoy THEIR TYPE of "gamingstyle" here! thats is always a or should be the goal, no matter where, cause everything only works, if both sides are happy and if they give and take!! atleast thers a discussion about alts and slots now here and here and i wonder if WE ALL will manage to continue this solutionfinding without a topic gettn closed @ 3dx dot com and let us all end till we are up to our knees reigned in blood again, forumwise^^^!!

 

cause as i stated above already:

 

 

the subject 'alts' is a very, very delicate subject in this game and forum, very delciosa!

 

anyways, nice weekend @ll

 

 

edit:

and yes i know, if a person wants to cheat, he will always find a way to do so, but atleast, one can make it "harder" 4em and most of all, maybe make some ppl use their brains a lill more, have a thought-provoking impulse / food for thought and both sides think of the others ideas, fears, wishes and bla bla bla - amen - yes we can - ick bin gar kein berlinar - muhahaa

[Guest Twiggy]

They will never find a solution that will suite both.

Anything added to make it so alts can be detected in any way will take something away from the gamers, the people that think we all should just treat this place as just a game and anything goes.

Now before anyone goes jumping on that I am now not saying that is wrong, maybe that is how this place should be, maybe we should all go around doing anything we want with the anything goes attitude.

For me I can't do that and don't want to do that even though I think I could be really good at it if I did.

It just simply goes against my ethics to not care about the trouble it could cause and that things I do will hurt and upset others.

The question I think we all need to answer is would that work, if everyone was a gamer how would the place be ?

My opinion there is it would not work and that is starting to show as the game goes closer to becoming full of gamers.

Socializing diminishes, distrust flourishes, drama increases and the game just becomes less attractive to all.

 

I know the hierarchy in the place and the devs feel they cant implement anything that would take away from the gamers as it would be seen to be taking sides.

The trouble is there that by doing nothing they are in fact taking sides, the side of the gamers.

The gamers have everything their way as it is and the social players just have to put up with it and do what they can to protect themselves.

It becomes very tiring to do so when all we want to do is play the game the way we want but are forced to face the gamers game far to often.

 

For a solution to happen the gamers have to face that if they want to play that sort of game they need to stay away from the ones that don't.

For that to happen there needs to be things added that will allow them to be detected and that is where the problem is, they just do not want that.

 

I doubt very much that anything will ever be done.

The game will remain much the same as it is and the gamers will always do what they do, as it is they do in fact have every right to.

It is as they say just a game, one where people are able to forget about their own ethics and morals and not have to care about upsetting and hurting others.

A game where it is said to be their own fault if they do get hurt as they are doing the wrong thing by expecting others to consider their feelings.

[Callista]

I have another proposition: What if alts of people in your FL show in a different color? And by that I mean only of people who are in your friend list. Let me explain with an example.

 

I have Joe on my friend list, Joe has an alt named Jane. Jane will show up in my screen with the name colored yellow, but just that, no other indication that Jane is in fact Joe. Now suppose we have another player named Mary, Mary has Jane in her FL so Joe will show up in a yellow name for her. And now take a third person named Carlos, Carlos has neither Joe or Jane in his FL so both Joe and Jane will appear with the standard white font in their names. 

 

I think this is a good way to compromise the interests of people who want a bit of privacy and those of people who don't want to be deceived by alts of their "friends".